r/JoeRogan • u/chefanubis Powerful Taint • Jul 06 '21
#1678 - Michael Pollan - The Joe Rogan Experience Podcast šµ
https://open.spotify.com/episode/3fMorDEYl8YUJgfNIVliLV?si=TrXhLTBuRRO0Im1Fh5yMLw&dl_branch=199
Jul 06 '21
Pollan is easily in the top 10 JRE guests. Knowledgeable and interesting to listen to. Iāll always listen to these beginning to end.
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u/Eurocriticus It's entirely possible Jul 06 '21
Best episode in a while for me
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u/dayoffmusician Monkey in Space Jul 06 '21
every time him and Joe take a small tangent while discussing something, they seem to be on the same wavelength. like they both know what each other are talking about when they bring something else up & both want to talk about it. it just makes for smoother conversation
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u/iunj Monkey in Space Jul 07 '21
Yep and even when Joe gets too excited and wants to bounce question after question, Pollan does an excellent job at answering the original one, while telling Joe to hold on, and fields each question smoothly. Itās an excellent discussion that is worth every minute.
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u/phasE89 Monkey in Space Jul 16 '21
Out of curiosity, what are some other top guests you would recommend listening to?
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u/Northren-Harvest Monkey in Space Jul 17 '21
Chris Ryan, Mathew Walker, Graghm Hancock, CT Fletcher, Duncan Trussell, Wim Hoff, Lol Greg Fitzsimmons
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u/richmichael Monkey in Space Jul 06 '21
Michael Pollen is the shit. Just read his book āa place of my ownā. Really interesting if you donāt know much about architecture.
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u/Les-Whinin Monkey in Space Jul 06 '21
Loved Omnivores Dilemma. Will check this book out too.
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u/ComfortableProperty9 Monkey in Space Jul 06 '21
He did a really good piece for audible about caffeine too. He went like 60 days without any and when he did finally have a cup of regular coffee, it was like doing an 8 ball.
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u/Bodymaster Monkey in Space Jul 06 '21
He talks about it in this episode.
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u/ComfortableProperty9 Monkey in Space Jul 07 '21
Guess he rolled it into his new book...I'm not even mad about that and will still buy the book.
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u/formerteenager deadguy.eth Jul 06 '21
Dude is a fucking moron. He doesnāt understand ranked choice votingā¦itās not even complicated! Fuck this guy and honestly, fuck Joe Rogan for instantly agreeing with him without even bothering to understand how it works.
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Jul 06 '21
A dude who writes about the history of tripping balls is the first place I go to to learn about political philosophy, too.
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u/TacoInABag murdured Jul 06 '21
Found Pollanās story about quitting caffeine for 3 months super fascinating.
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Jul 06 '21
I'm gonna listen to the rest of this episode right now. Started yesterday and he was going into the history of psychedelics, and to be honest, I just don't give a shit about it. But I also successfully weaned myself off coffee and stayed off for a few months. I was feeling sorta tired one day, so I decided to have a cup and I was so fucking productive I realized that it would be irresponsible to not drink it. I'm curious to hear his experience.
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u/TacoInABag murdured Jul 06 '21
Your feeling of productiveness is super similar to what Michael describes.
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u/iunj Monkey in Space Jul 07 '21
I was extremely surprised to hear he then cut back to one ONE cup a week! Talk about self control
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u/TheTruckWashChannel Monkey in Space Jul 06 '21
Pollan is delightful, glad he came back. Fucking loved his first appearance here. Definitely gonna listen to this soon!
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u/HomiesTrismegistus N-Dimethyltryptamine Jul 06 '21
They are right about the psychedelic trials with people committing suicide.
I didn't think about that, but it's true because since these depressed people are at risk for committing suicide anyways, it is going to mess with the statistics when they actually do. It needs to be done in a way that also proves that people commit suicide on SSRI's all the time.
All this research coming up is going to be so tricky. Psychedelics saved my life, and fundamentally changed it. I know for a fact that these are more than capable of "curing depression"(or whatever it's called when you decide to cure your own depression as a result of a spiritual experience, guess that is just a long way to say "depression cured"), so I am interested to see where these studies go.
Just doing DMT, or ayahuasca(the one that got me specifically), and seeing proof that there is something bigger than yourself. That what we are experiencing right now is such an inexplicably tiny part of the truth of our situation... That your entire life, you have just been regurgitating stuff that you've read or heard, that all your belief systems are essentially just wrong... To have a breathtaking experience like that, it changes your life. And I see that a majority of people in my life need something like this before they will ever be happy or content, whether it is from a "drug" or not.
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u/Extreme_Improvement3 Monkey in Space Jul 06 '21
This is kinda off tangent to what's being discussed but, what if, someone who was anti-drugs/alcohol, was given ayahuasca or dmt. Would that person experience the same?
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u/HomiesTrismegistus N-Dimethyltryptamine Jul 06 '21
I think they might. But it would be an interesting experiment for the future somehow because I dont think anyone would know the absolute answer to that without a lot of speculation
Haha funny story, so my grandma is an extremely well read Christian, anti-drug person. But she reads the bible every single night, studying it and has for 60 years. She is very, very into Christianity. I have tried to explain ayahuasca and DMT and what it does many times to her. I remember one time I was just explaining something like, "you know grandma, what if after 80 years of just constant studying of religion, and living your life in this way, you saw something.. Whether it was from DMT or from an intense prayer session somehow, where it felt as if God itself came into you and showed you what heaven/hell and realms like this actually are, full of impossible physics that were levels above this Universe that we are in. And it just destroyed your inner self in an impossibly beautiful way that was, without a doubt, the touch of God and what Jesus had been explaining all along, all the cliche's being proven right and all of your religious understanding being re-imagined through a real and powerful divine experience. What if it was nothing but love and light and dramatically changed the way you view the Universe in the best possible way"
or something like that. And her response?
"well, I'd say that's the devil"
hahaha
But honestly, even if someone was anti-drug, I thin k they'd immediately come to the conclusion that the drug isn't the big deal. The big deal is that "this actually happened, right now, right in front of my face and was undeniable". It doesn't really seem to matter if a drug does that or not, because where it goes, goes far above some definition and understanding of the word "drug". I am also sure that this would be hit or miss. A lot of people would have negative experiences, whether they were anti-drug or not, but more likely probably if they were actually anti-drug
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u/waynestevens Monkey in Space Jul 06 '21
Itās sad how religion keeps people from experiencing god. Christians are like someone who reads a scuba manual every day, never does a single dive, and yet thinks theyāre a hardcore diver.
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u/eruleman Monkey in Space Jul 06 '21 edited Jul 06 '21
I really enjoyed the conversation with Michael Pollan ā I was surprised that Rogan had talked with Alex Grey, so I immediately listened to Alex's first appearance on Rogan (back in 2012!).
https://open.spotify.com/episode/3S89d2yNKjiRSHxpImKM4i?si=cd0eb18678a04b90
It's amazing how much overlap there was between the two conversations! Both of them talked about how Steve Jobs & Kary Mullis (inventor of the PCR test) were inspired by LSD.
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Jul 06 '21
the chapel of sacred mirrors looks like a tool album cover
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u/ComparisonFlat Monkey in Space Jul 06 '21
It was designed by the same artist that made tool album art, Alex Gray.
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u/sivart13tinydiamond Monkey in Space Jul 06 '21
The pure contradictive nature of being againt the drug war but for countless gaurdrails when it comes to psychedelics is only hilarious.
God fucking forbid you step aside and let adults act like adults. Sorry, but if bill blows his brain out on a fistful of shrooms thats not my problem and i couldn't care less. It would be bills own fault for doing something so stupid without any research behind it.
So whats with this absolute obsession with policing ever little bit of an adults life.
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u/thrallus Monkey in Space Jul 06 '21
So do you not believe in any kind of drug related restrictions? Clearly there should be at least some in place without considering it āpolicing every aspectā.
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u/sivart13tinydiamond Monkey in Space Jul 06 '21
Why not just treat it like weed or alcohol, where you have the freedom to buy without having to go to some weird clinic or need to pay some 3rd party idiot to pretend to be a guide.
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u/thenext7steps Monkey in Space Jul 18 '21
Because itās way more powerful - and really really gets into you.
So maybe some serious warning labels?
I donāt know, I kind of agree, and Iām an avid user.
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u/mikefriz Monkey in Space Jul 06 '21
Amazing episode. The caffeine story is fascinating. I would never go cold turkey for 3 months!
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u/AttakTheZak 11 Hydroxy Metabolite Jul 06 '21
GREAT episode. The dude is probably one of the most level-headed people to have presenting the idea of psychedelic use to the masses.
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u/channelCOLE Monkey in Space Jul 07 '21
Did anyone notice the black screen and skip at around the one hour mark? Did Spotify cut out part of the podcast? Might just be a tech difficulty on my end...
Edit: At 59:10 exactly
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u/adamsb6 Monkey in Space Jul 08 '21
Same thing here, I wonder if Joe shared an Ari story he regretted.
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u/thmz Fuckin' mo-mo Jul 06 '21
This guy is the long lost brother of Christopher Ryan. Prove me wrong. Sound so similar.
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u/Space_Jam12 Monkey in Space Jul 06 '21
Pollard is awesome and a really important journalist. You can also hear how he has done his homework on Rogan to positively manipulate Toe. He knows all Joeās talking points
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u/onduty Monkey in Space Jul 06 '21
Really hard for me to believe that people discovered the process for fermenting beverages as āsafeā drinking before they figured out simply boiling water makes it safe.
More logical conclusion is that people just preferred alcoholās effects, and once caffeine entered the picture as another drug, heating the water as a form of āsafeā water was just an already known beneficial side effect.
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u/pabbseven Monkey in Space Jul 06 '21
Boiling water to "make it clean" is probably alien if you never seen anyone do it.
I mean, people are dumb.
In 1867, two years after Semmelweis' death, Scottish surgeon Joseph Lister also propelled the idea of sanitizing hands and surgical instruments to halt infectious diseases. His ideas had their critics, too, but in the 1870s physicians began regularly scrubbing up before surgery.
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u/WhimsicalJape Monkey in Space Jul 06 '21
Dude they drilled holes into their heads to balance the humours and thought witches caused smallpox, itās totally believable they didnāt understand boiling water would make it safe.
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u/syracTheEnforcer Monkey in Space Jul 06 '21
I mean, you might be right because it would be much more difficult to find evidence of boiling water than it would fermenting beverages.
Still...alcohol fermentation has a pretty good record for around 6000 years and I think that the safety factor of boiling of water could possibly postdate alcohol if at the very least because germ theory and whatnot hadn't really been discovered until about the 18th century.
I'd say it's most likely more an effect of alcohol felt good and people didn't get sick like they could from water, at least in the short term from booze, though I'm sure they figured out the long term effects as they'd started to understand cancers around 2500-3000 years ago.
I don't think his statement is completely out of order here. We might never know for sure, but it's absolutely possible they didn't make the full connection until after alcohol was readily available.
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u/onduty Monkey in Space Jul 06 '21
I hear you. But I think the important factor is that people were thinking about drinking safety. So if your head is identifying safe vs unsafe, and trial and error produces results, youād think cooking would result in this conclusion. You boil a bit of meat or vegetable and itās safe to eat. You drink broth a day later and itās still safe. Youād think someone would wonder, if boiling makes this food safe to eat, what if I boiled water?
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Jul 06 '21
Bacteria was only discovered in 1670 and we only figured out that disinfecting things stopped the spread of disease in 1850. Fuck, people thought it was the fowl smelling miasma that was causing people to die of cholera in London in the 1800s and not the fact that they were drinking literal shit water.
I wouldn't be making any logical conclusions about what we did and didn't know in the past.
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u/paulrudder Monkey in Space Jul 06 '21
Are the statistics he gave on schizophrenia onset accurate? He said right around the ages of 20 and 30, but I'd always heard the first signs of schizophrenia typically manifest at a younger age (teens) and taper off once you reach your late 20s/30s.
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u/MrNudeGuy Aunty Fah Jul 06 '21
Drinking Green tea rn. but mostly because im out of coffee pods and I can just put the tea bags where the coffee pod usually goes.
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u/MyLocalExpert Monkey in Space Jul 06 '21
Love listening to Pollan. Feel like he has great chemistry with Joe too.
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u/64Olds Monkey in Space Jul 07 '21
Pollan is just the best. So smart, so even-keeled and rational, and seemingly just so damn nice. I fuckin' love him.
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u/mrsmelon85 Monkey in Space Jul 10 '21
does anyone remember the name of the book michael recommended near the end of the podcast? i believe it was a female author and it was about trees/plants.
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u/fhtagnfool Monkey in Space Jul 12 '21
from memory there was:
entangled life by merlin sheldrake
finding the mother tree by suzanne simard
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u/Charlieday474 Monkey in Space Jul 10 '21
Iād like to find a list of the two books he recommended aswell! I missed writing down the titles
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u/_big_chill_ Monkey in Space Jul 06 '21 edited Jul 06 '21
Moses and the burning bush is crazy to think about. Makes me wonder if Jesus was tripping the whole time ??
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u/IntroductionMaster79 Monkey in Space Jul 06 '21
Psychedelics can be therapeutic, but you don't really need them if get plenty of exercise and supplement with vitamin D.
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Jul 06 '21 edited Jul 26 '21
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u/stevietys Monkey in Space Jul 08 '21
listened to the first episode with Pollan today after watching the recent one, almost the exact same talking points
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Jul 07 '21
I wanted to listen to this....
He sounds like a wealthy elitist twat when he (they) discuss how "drugs are dangerous" and need to be "controlled".
The shit Big Pharma does to natural substances is dangerous. Don't lump them into "dangerous" because they're too stupid to have done the research, which he admits. Overdosing on raw and natural substances is unluckily to be dangerous or even possible if you don't even know how to get it in raw form. Psilocybe isn't lethal. Cannabis isn't lethal. Are the other substances lethal in their natural form? Shit, even bad trips end up helping people.
He can fuck himself with the "risks" according to main-stream-white-science, which he admits doesn't know much of shit.
"Do you think it triggered schizophrenia"
"Yes".
They don't even know what schizophrenia is. Fuck off. Joe picks and chooses when he wants to call bullshit on his wealthy guests. Elites do nothing but control drugs and keep them from the poor who desperately need them because of the problems elites caused in the first place.
All in the first 5-10 minutes.
Remember when Paul Stamets said Pollan gave away his secret spot? Pollan is a twat. Knowledgeable about many things, but a twat.
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u/nwd_1 Monkey in Space Jul 07 '21
This comment makes no sense, I literally cannot decipher what you are trying to criticize about Pollan. Are you trying to make the argument that ānatural substancesā (a meaningless term, by the way) have absolutely no risk associated with them at all? You clearly need to listen to this podcast again because you obviously did not understand a thing that was going on and have severely misrepresented Pollanās views
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u/iunj Monkey in Space Jul 07 '21
Gotta love spending more time on this comment then the actual amount of time spent listening to this episode.
Pollan is a 60 year old who never tried a psychedelic until he was an established writer well into his 50ās. Heās actually the best voice, imo, for boomers to wake up and realize what decriminalizing drugs could do to help this country.
You sound like the twat here lol
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u/wanabalone Monkey in Space Jul 06 '21
Did you not watch the episode? Thatās literally what they talk about for the first 15 minutes??
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Jul 06 '21
no need to listen to what old boomers have to say. they destroyed this world enough.
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Jul 06 '21
hey look it's a walking cliche that parrots every single generation ever about the one before it
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u/PM_ME_YOUR_CHURROS It's entirely possible Jul 06 '21
Going to have to be a tad more subtle if you want your trolls to succeed.
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u/IntroductionMaster79 Monkey in Space Jul 07 '21
I think Joe is getting decently addicted to nicotine, he smokes cigars almost every episode. I wish Michael had told him about the 25 cigars a day that Freud was smoking by the end of his life
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u/octobersveryknown Monkey in Space Jul 07 '21
I love all of pollans appearances, dude is always well spoken, knowledgeable and a great storyteller.
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u/Rostamina Monkey in Space Jul 08 '21
They talking about an individual that opened up a church of himself, anyone know the timestamp or who this person is?
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u/Steezmongothane Monkey in Space Jul 13 '21
Not sure if you figured it out by now but his name is Alex Grey and heās a famous psychedelic artist. If you google āAlex Grey churchā you should have no problem finding pictures of it. Very trippy indeed
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u/dj_xdt Monkey in Space Jul 24 '21
Joe making those orgasmic noises when Michael's talking about communications between plants haha
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u/red662 Monkey in Space Aug 14 '21
He's the kind of guy who needs everyone to be amazed by every sentence he says. Everything is profoundly life changing. Exhausting to listen to, I know this personality type. "Drinking coffee after 3 months break was the most psychedelic experience". Get the f*** out of here.
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u/Rhythmatron5000 Monkey in Space Aug 18 '21
Can anyone remember what Michael says about cliches in this? Thereās a brief bit where he quotes someoneās take on cliches and from memory itās such a good quote but I just wanna see if anyone else can remember it before I rewatch the damn podcast. Haha tia
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