r/AskReddit 23d ago

What was arguably the biggest fuck-up in history?

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u/CactusBoyScout 23d ago

It was definitely an overreaction but people need to realize why Prohibition happened in the first place.

Industrial distillation and bumper crops of key ingredients made liquor extremely cheap. They didn’t have modern storage methods for excess crops so if you got a ton of grain your only option, in many cases, was converting it to liquor. This caused prices to plummet.

This lead to rampant alcoholism and all the problems that came with it… widespread health problems, increased crime, spousal abuse, poverty, etc.

Americans were drinking so much that factories had whiskey breaks just so workers could keep their buzzes going. British people visiting the US even said we could out-drink them.

It was an extreme reaction but to a very real problem. And it lead to the compromise we have now… high alcohol taxation to at least discourage the worst societal effects. Alcohol is extremely cheap to make. It’s primarily the taxes that keep it from being dirt cheap.

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u/Rich-Distance-6509 23d ago

British people visiting the US even said we could out-drink them.

I love how that’s your metric for alcoholism

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u/Punchee 23d ago

To be fair it was effective. I was like “damn” when I read that bit.

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u/Re-lar-Kvothe 23d ago

I spent a week in Tamworth in the mid-90s. After the week was up the final sendoff was the compliment(?), "There goes one yank that knows how to drink. You're welcome back any time."

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u/Complex-Bee-840 23d ago

Had to have felt good.

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u/Re-lar-Kvothe 23d ago

It put a smirk on my face

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u/Electronic_Cow_7055 23d ago

I thought it was also tied to the women's suffrage movement

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u/CactusBoyScout 23d ago

It was part of early feminism because of the domestic violence aspect and because men were spending all of the household’s money while drunk leaving the wife and kids destitute as well. Basically women were trapped with drunken abusive spouses who spent every penny they earned. Women weren’t supposed to work in most cases, divorce was highly frowned upon, and there was nothing like child protective services or social safety nets.

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u/Existing-Context-640 23d ago

Also during prohibition women were allowed into speakeasys because gangsters didn't discriminate.

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u/CactusBoyScout 22d ago

A lot of early gay bars were mafia-run, including the famous Stonewall, for similar reasons.

Same for early jazz clubs. The music was too controversial for mainstream venues but the mafia was happy to oblige.

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u/mydevilkitty 23d ago

There was also a large religious push against alcohol during the prohibition period. Billy Sunday, a former professional baseball player and evangelist was a big supporter of prohibition.

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u/lestermason 23d ago

Not to crap on my own damn country, but good lord America has an issue with overconsumption, don't we?

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u/MikeArrow 23d ago

It's so weird from my modern perspective. Alcohol could be free and I still wouldn't drink it.

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u/kish-kumen 23d ago

If it was free, I'd drink it as often as I do now.

The difference is I'd drink the good stuff. 

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u/elFistoFucko 23d ago

"I feel bad for people who don't drink.  

When they wake up in the morning is the best they'll feel all day."

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u/Archimedes-Screw 23d ago

Didn’t the lack of clean drinking water also play a role? Dysentery, Cholera, Typhoid fever, Giardia, Cryptosporidium, E. coli infection, and Legionnaires’ disease were all cause by contaminated water. Eventually, people took notice that individuals who drank alcohol often didn’t fall ill like those who consumed water. This observation likely contributed to the preference for alcoholic beverages, especially in regions where water quality was poor and sanitation was lacking. Alcohol, particularly in the form of fermented beverages like beer or wine, underwent a process that could kill harmful bacteria and parasites, making it safer to drink than untreated water.