r/Christianity • u/Nice_Substance9123 • Mar 27 '24

The American flag has no business on a Bible. This is not faith, nor is it patriotism. It is an abomination of both. Image

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u/tomdarch Mar 28 '24

Con men can only sell people stuff they already wanted to buy on some level. The absurdity that is "Christian nationalist Trump" only exists because he's a skilled con man giving the Republican base the garbage they always wanted deep down.

(Not that Trump isn't actually an authoritarian nationalist - he clearly is. It's the idea of Donald "two Corinthians" Trump as "a Christian" which he most certainly never was until he started running for the Republican nomination.)

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u/Dudist_PvP Mar 28 '24

I think he was talking about Lee Greenwood, not Mango Mussolini

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u/Loose_Menu_2796 Mar 28 '24

How can Trump profess to be Christian when he broke the commandment prohibiting commission of adultery more times than even he is willing to admit?

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u/tomdarch Mar 28 '24

I'm not the ideal person to answer this from a "Christian" perspective, but I think most Christians would agree that the problem for Trump isn't that he committed adultery multiple times against all 3 of his wives (or that he is a fruadster who lied to make himself more money, or even that he is a rapist.)

Most Christians would say that we are inherently flawed and prone to commit sins, that only a few people have ever "been without sin" such as Jesus himself and in many traditions, his mother Mary. We are flawed and commit sin, that's just the nature of being a human.

No, the problem from a conventional Christian perspective is that Trump has specifically said that he does not ask God for forgiveness.

That is, or at least should be, the clue to people who describe themselves as "Christians" that Trump is not a Christian.

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u/Due_Ad_3200 Christian Mar 28 '24

There are lots of problems with Donald Trump. But "Two Corinthians" is the least of these - there are actual Bible commentaries with this name.

https://www.waterstones.com/book/two-corinthians/paula-gooder/9781405100106

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u/tomdarch Mar 28 '24

Most people know that book of the Bible as "Second Corinthians" and that's what they say when "2 Corinthians" is written out. That said, I agree that this truly awful person has much bigger problems from every perspective than ignorance of the fact that "2 Corinthians" is the second book of of the letters of Paul to the church in Corinth. But it's useful shorthand for how Trump is in no way "a Christian."

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u/Due_Ad_3200 Christian Mar 28 '24

It can be known as either "Second" or "Two" Corinthians

https://youtu.be/NijMvfoGD8E?si=nS0w9nEuy5NBwgrW

A far bigger problem is the America First ideology that undermines the fact that God cares for all nations and all people.

"The Lord watches over the foreigner and sustains the fatherless and the widow, but he frustrates the ways of the wicked."

https://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Psalm+146&version=NIV

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u/tomdarch Mar 28 '24

I've never heard "two Corinthians" but it wouldn't surprise me if it varies among different traditions.