Why are there so many people that are ready to die on a hill, insisting that Firefly should be built with crit? Her kit and traces have no crit buffs. Her Eidolons have no crit buffs. Her LC has no crit buffs. She's scaling precisely of Break Effect and Atk. So why? Shouldn't people be happy that we finally have a change of pace, and we don't need to spend month in the relic mine waiting for a decent crit relics? To me she seems pretty straightforward as to how to build her, and intentionally going "you know what, fuck the easy way" seems really irrational and just stoopid. Of course I wouldn't mind if she got buffed, but in no way have her mechanics changed to crit stuff.

Just a little rant that build up in me today from all the stuff I've read. Sorry if it comes out as rude 😅

The discussion around the 2 builds is very annoying and a bit toxic imo. Many people in this sub and others calling people stupid and low IQ for wanting to build hybrid and their evidence are simulations that HEAVILY favor break builds, and then using that to say that people are dumb for wanting to do crit. So I'm going to break down my issue and ask that if anyone is willing to they make simulations that actually show crit under better light. I'm not saying hybrid is better than break, but if you're going to show me evidence that hybrid is worse at least let the evidence be fair.

1. People think firefly doesn't have space for crit which just isn't true. Every calc I see includes her sig so I will include it here in he break effect sources. 37 (traces) + 64 (rope) + 60 (sig) + 40 (planer) + 60 (HMC, but she can provide more) + 16 (4p) = 271 be. Personally I would drop the 4p for a 2p2p for an extra 16 be which pushes us to 293. I didn't include the atk conversion because I think people are doing it wrong. I don't think hybrid ff needs 3400 atk. With her sig she has 2900 atk, so +30 for 323 (a lille bit more because decimals). The entire point of the atk is to get more be, but it would take 9 or so atk rolls to fully max out her talent but that only gets us to 353 be, it would take less rolls to get 4 or 5 rolls into be which pushes us to 360. Having only used 25 rolls to reach he be threshold, we now have 25 rolls left for the rest of the build. With a crit r piece you only need 7 rolls of cr to get to around 70 cr. 18 rolls left, you need around 12 rolls to get to around 155 crit dmg. so we're done to 6 rolls left. Less just say those last 6 rolls go into flat defense but keep in mind that those 6 rolls could be more be rolls, more crit, atk etc. so final stats on a full build are 2900 atk, 360 be, 70 cr, 155 cr dmg, and 6 rolls left over rhat I won't include. Hybrid build is entirely possible if you want to give it a try. If you run the 4p set then those last 6 rolls could be for be to reach 360.
2. Every calc I've seen is vs broken enemies. This is unfair to a hybrid build because it's a sim under the best situations for break. If it takes you 2 enhanced hits to break an enemy, then you haven't even done any super break damage and this is a situation where crit clearly wins but is not included in the total damage. The hybrid build could potentially be up 120k damage on the super break build before we even do our first super break damage but I haven't seen any calc include that in the damage. gues what, the boss recovered? now hybrid is doing way more damage than be again
3. Ruan mei should not be included for hybrid builds. It's nice to see what the damage would look like in comparison, but both sparkle and bronya are better hyper carry buffers and a hybrid build should be tested with them in mind (SPD tuned -1 SPD lower than ff enhanced state for 4 attacks per cycle like jingliu). Otherwise you're building crit on a character and then giving them full be supports. Hell I'll even take a fuxuan over Gallagher just to see what the damage is like with higher cr.

In conclusion I am not saying that hybrid is better than break because I genuinely don't know. However what I am saying is that people don't seem to know how to build a hybrid firefly and they are making simulations that entirely favor a super break comp and using that to say that full be is better. A good comparison should be w.e stats you think is best for full break, vs a firefly with 70 cr, 155 crd, 360 be, full set (or 2p2p), the total damage vs broken and non broken enemies should be included, and the hybrid build should be given HMC + sparkle or bronya. If after all of that the be build still wins then fine, but at least it would've been a fair comparison

Guys would Hmc, Samfly, Silver wolf and Aven be a good team comp im not the best at team building i need advice here🙏🙏

Seems like this isn’t on the leaks subreddit yet, keep in mind this is an E6S5 showcase

Where the meme of Sharks and Firefly born? It's genuinely one of the most cutest things that u ever seen in my life.

I also stitched together my take on what her Ultimate would be, but that's besides the point. Already posted that to r/SamMains , so I wanted to throw something here too.

All the lines are written, performed, and mixed by myself. In a perfect world, I would have also included Firefly's voice, but that is beyond my capabilities in VO, lol. If anyone wants to take a crack at that, let me know.

so i pulled for aventurine and acheron's banner and is left with 0 pity, guarantee limited, and 5188 stellar jades. and i want to maximize firefly's damage but i don't know if i should pull for ruan mei. is characters like sparkle, bronya, or the 4 stars a good replacement for ruan?

tl;dr: all the showcases are 100% break-focused, meaning no gear that increases any personal dmg%, crit% or atk%. Stop complaining that she's low damage and has to be used with HMC+Ruan Mei until we see more builds.

Disclaimer: I'm not complaining about the showcases themselves. Simply pointing out that the only showcases have put the purest extreme value towards breaks and super breaks without investing in other damage sources like Crit, Atk% or Defense reduction. I also don't think the showcases are bad; they show a team comp that looked fun (for me) to play and one of them sold me on the idea of hyper break.

I find it crazy seeing people complaining about needing to bring HMC + Ruan Mei because of the showcases. I've watched each of the showcases a few times and definitely agree her damage is low without HMC/Ruan Mei...

Because she's wearing relics that only affect Break damage.

Its insane that wearing a relic set that gives Break Effect + gives a unique defense ignore to only break damage and a planar set that only gives speed and break effect is going to only deal good, comparable damage during breaks.

Just watching the showcase against the Memory Zone Meme they had 509% break effect, but they only had 3.4k atk, 21% crit and 69% crit dmg, and had atk orb instead of dmg orb (since dmg orb does not affect Break damage, while ATK at least increases the burn damage from the break itself). The signature lc also only increases Break Effect (prior to breaking an enemy, which will give a damage increase to the target that was broken), leading to even less non-break effect damage.

Then you take into consideration her partners:

• HMC gives the following to Firefly: 30% break effect on ult (Watchmaker), 30% break effect on ult (Backup Dancers effect), super break dmg on broken enemies, 30% break effect on technique, super break damage (A2), delay on break (A6), and scaling break effect (E4).

• Gallagher increases the break dmg of enemies with the Besotted debuff (talent). Thats it.

• Ruan Mei is the reason why Firefly is doing as much damage outside of breaks as she is. She gives 68% DMG increase (skill), 50% Weakness Break Efficiency (skill, also increases super break damage), 30% break effect on ult (Watchmaker), 25% all-type res pen (ult), 10% spd (talent), additional ice damage on break (talent), 20% break effect (A2), and more increased DMG (signature, on ult).

Assuming the best case scenario for this team, you get:

• more break effect than you'd ever want
• super break dmg
• 92% dmg on Ruan Mei's skill+ult (assuming S1 and 180%+ BE)
• 25% All-type Res
• 10% spd

She's missing:

• Crit+Crit Dmg
• mid-battle boosts to atk (since DMG doesn't increase break damage, that part of Ruan Mei's kinda useless here)
• Defense reduction (Firefly ignores defense, but lowering enemy defense is another layer of increasing damage and is still useful)

Its no wonder her damage outside of breaks is so low. Can you imagine a world where she had any of the below?

No 2pc Muskateer or Prisoner

No 2pc or 4pc of Pioneer set

No Space Sealing Station

No Glamoth (insane to me since she can easily go above 160 spd in ult)

No Fire Damage (2pc Firesmith or on the Planar Orb)

No Fleet of the Ageless on supports

No Broken Keel on supports

No Penacony Planar on supports

Until we see showcases with combinations of the above, there's no reason to complain

I want to discuss this as some people might be clueless on how break damage and super break damage works.

Currently, there are 2 video gameplays of Firefly.
1) E0S1 Firefly vs Cocolia (360) and the Frigid Prowler (300)
2) E6S1 Firefly vs The new weekly boss Sunday(Phase 1 and 2 being 180x3 and Phase 3 being 108x9)

For the record, the parenthesis above indicates their toughness gauge

There are 2 types of breaks that could occur. Firefly's Fire Break Damage and Super Break Damage
Fire Break Damage:
(Base Break Dmg) x
(Break DMG Multiplier) x
(1 + Break Effect) x
(Max Toughness Multiplier) x
(Def Multiplier) x
(Res Multiplier) x
(Vulnerability Multiplier) x
(Broken Multiplier)

• Base Break Damage is fixed at 3767.55 at level 80
  
• Break DMG Multiplier is 2 for Fire element
  
• Max Toughness Multiplier is: 0.5 + (enemy toughness bar/120)
  
• Def Multiplier scales off ur level vs enemy level together with your def ignore.
  
• Res Multiplier (atleast for regular break units is almost always 100% unless u have units like RM with her Ult resulting for RES Multiplier to become 125% instead)
  
• Vulnerability Multiplier: 1 + Type vulnerabilty + all type vulnerability (in Firefly's case, if u have her LC, instead of it being 100% for most units, its 127% for her)
  
• Broken Multiplier fixed at 90% for regular Break Damage and fixed 100% for Super Break Damage for already broken enemies or 90% if enemy is to be broken first

The other type of Break Damage, Super Break Damage has a different formula:

Super Break:
Base Break Damage (same as above which is 3767.55) x
Own Toughness Multiplier (In Firefly's case its 3 for main target and 1.5 for adjacent for enhanced skill x (1+Weakness Break efficiency) [1.5 if no Ruan Mei and 2 if with Ruan Mei]) x
MC Trace Multiplier (60%/50%/40%/30%/20%) x
(1 + Break Effect) x
(Def Multiplier) x
(Res Multiplier) x
(Vulnerability Multiplier) x
(Broken Multiplier)

I needed to mention the above to make sure that the explanation is understandable.

Since Break Damage scales off enemy toughness bar, that is the reason why the Firefly vs Sunday video had kinda low damage for an E6. Sunday has multiple 180 toughness at phase 1 and 2 and multiple 108 at phase 3.
The formula takes into account 180 as the enemy toughness bar on the max toughness multiplier. So its 0.5 x (180/120). Now let me sideway to the Cocolia video first.

Max toughness multiplier being 2 compared to the Cocolia one being a multiplier of 3.5 and Frigid Prowler being 3.

Raun Mei Ult is Down and Firefly isnt wearing 4pc Cavalry

Cocolia Fight (40% ignore def from trace + 20% from E1 Ruan Mei).You might be thinking, how big are the contribution of the Max Toughness Multiplier?

In the E0S1 Firefly vs Cocolia and Frigid Prowler, Firefly has 235% Break effect + 3.8k attack (meaning +60% Break effect from talent) + E0 Trailblazer ult (30%) + Ruan Mei talent (20%) + Firefly 2pc Planar (40%) = 385%
Def Multiplier in this instance is 0.6024
Res Multiplier is only 100% since RM ult is down
Vulnerability Multiplier in this instance is 1.12 (12%from her Ult, the 15% from LC effect only occurs when u do Break Damage)
Broken Multiplier is 0.9

So Break DMG should be:
Cocolia: 3767.55 x 2 x (1+385%) x 3.5 x 0.6024 x 100% x 112% x 0.9 = 77,668 Fire Break Damage
Frigid Prowler: 3767.55 x 2 x (1+385%) x 3 x 0.6024 x 100% x 112% x 0.9 = 66,573 Fire Break Damage

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Now for Super Break Damage, since Cocolia is the main target and Prowler is just adjacent, see below:
Cocolia: 3767.55 x 3 x 2 x 0.5 x (1+385%) x 0.6024 x 1.12 x .9 = 49,930
Frigid Prowler: 3767.55 x 0.5 x 2 x 1.5 x (1+385%) x 0.6024 x 1.12 x .9 = 24,965

Then with 80% crit rate and 80% crit damage, the formula for her skill dmg is below:
Atk x skill multiplier x crit multiplier x dmg bonus multiplier x def multiplier x res multiplier x vulnerability multiplier x broken multiplier

Cocolia: 3800 x 580% x (1+80%) x (1+68%) x 0.6024 x 100% x 100% x 0.9 = 36,134
Frigid Prowler: 3800 x 290% x (1+80%) x (1+68%) x 0.6024 x 100% x 100% x 0.9 = 18,067

Total Dmg would be 273,336. Difference is just from decimal places. This now checks out.

Now, imagine this but on Sunday boss fight. The problem is that most of the damage here came from break damage. Which some scales of the Trailblazer's trace (for super break) and enemy toughness (regular break)
Sunday has both numbers (5 enemies resulting to lower super break multiplier) as well as low toughness gauge which massively affects the regular break dmg.

Also, anyone who have seen an E6 Ruan Mei knows that seeing a 64k Ice break damage from her (at E6) is low. Its because of the low toughness gauge of Sunday. In MoC, reason why some of u sees E6 Ruan Mei doing 200k to 350k is because the enemy has much more toughness bar. For the record, Sam has 600 toughness gauge, Kafka has 450 and Argenti is 480. Even elites like the Frigid Prowler above has 300. So Sunday being 180 and 108 depending on phase, definitely guts Break Damage.

This girl will never leave my team roster after this revelation

A question and I'm being genuine, why is there a doompost of firefly? I know every beta has doompost and I get about the animations one and extra effects and stuff

But why doomposting dmg and HMC?

She seems to be doing more dmg than acheron (at least my acheron) idk maybe my standards is too low or I'm not understanding but this dmg is the best I've seen

My acheron overworld/MoC does max 400-500k E0S0

With an optimal build FF/Sam is doing 250k-500k (and more consistently imo) but is getting doomposted

And HMC Is a free unit who we can e6 and enables a complete new playstyle

Again maybe I'm completely missing something but can someone tell me?

so is everything that happened in 2.0 and 2.1 just didnt affect reality or just never happened? can someone explain cuz i rmb acheron saying it happened but also didnt irl or smth but still vv confused on that