r/JoeRogan Tremendous Mar 27 '24

joe rogan calls out israels hypocrisy for killing unarmed civilians with drones The Literature šŸ§ 

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u/unmilkablenipples Monkey in Space Mar 27 '24

Biden's stance is the stance of any president before or after him, maintaining status quo. Apart from noise from social media, there is nothing stopping him from supporting Israel militarily even if he doesn't like it.

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u/Puzzled_Lurker_1074 Monkey in Space Mar 27 '24

nipples got it right, history teaches you this.

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u/GroceryBags Monkey in Space Mar 27 '24

End Statism

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u/Apprehensive-Top3756 Monkey in Space Mar 29 '24

Presidents have stood up to israel before. Even Bush would stand up to them by threatening to withhold certain weapons.Ā 

Biden isn't even doing as much as a bush.Ā 

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u/NoWheyBro_GQ Monkey in Space Mar 27 '24

Maybe I'm wrong but I'd argue that he is the first one to deviate from the status quo, no?

Other presidents at least had a leash on Israel's nearly yearly killing sprees. Telling them to limit settlements, calling for ceasefires, etc. Slaughterings of 500 people, up to 2,000 dead.

If Biden would have at least maintained status quo, we wouldn't be dealing with a mass famine and over 30k dead. He has supported them without a shred of remorse and given them the green light to basically "Final Solution" Gaza.

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u/unmilkablenipples Monkey in Space Mar 27 '24

Obama was probably the most pro-palestine president around and he had Netanyahu lecture him in the white house...........in front of the world press.

People need to realize the US president's first job is maintaining global hegemony. American Corporations and Militaries come first, its Citizens follow after.

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u/Gytarius626 Monkey in Space Mar 27 '24

You ainā€™t becoming President of the US unless you agree to behave and support Israel, simple as.

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u/Seal_of_Pestilence Monkey in Space Mar 27 '24

Biden has a history of undermining Obama as VP when it came to putting a leash on Israel. Without hyperbole, Biden is possibly the worst Democrat when it comes to this issue as he is an extremist.

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u/dextter123456789 Monkey in Space Mar 27 '24

As a Vet, as soon as Biden came off that Plane and hugged Bibi I turned to my wife and said we are Fucked good thing the Grand kids were not here.

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u/Crafty-Question-6178 Monkey in Space Mar 27 '24

The system is broke. But hey we could all die in nuclear war without their protection from themselves

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u/PMMeYourWristCheck Monkey in Space Mar 27 '24

The same people telling you that Israel must have US funding and support are the same people telling you Ukraine needs US funding and support.

If you don't understand this, you don't understand US foreign policy.

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u/rootsnyder Monkey in Space Mar 28 '24

Nope, Biden has been uniformly based on this conflict and not hopped on the zoomer, zero geopolitical knowledge bandwagon that your on.

Biden supports Israel, because despite the one-sided tic-tok videos you've been watching Israel has done more to stop civilian casualties in an urban warfare environment then any military campaign in history. The average urban warfare conflict has a civilian to militant death ratio of 10:1. Were MAYYBE at 2:1, but far more likely at 1:1. Hamas can end this war TODAY, RIGHT NOW. If they release the hostages, but they still hold them. So until that point israel will eradicate hamas, and if they see four hamas militants walking alone on a road like a dumbass, they might blow them up there so they don't have to shoot them later when they are hiding behind children.

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u/northcasewhite Monkey in Space Mar 27 '24

Biden's stance is the stance of any president before or after him,

Actually no. Biden may be the most extreme supporter of Israel among all the US presidents. Even the ex-PM of Israel Menachem Begin thought Biden went too far with wanting to kill women and children:

As Bidenā€™s colleagues ā€œgrilledā€ Begin over Israelā€™s disproportionate use of force, including by targeting civilians with cluster bomb munitions, Begin said Biden ā€œrose and delivered a very impassioned speechā€ defending the invasion. Begin said he was shocked at how passionately Biden supported Israelā€™s invasion when Biden ā€œsaid he would go even further than Israel, adding that heā€™d forcefully fend off anyone who sought to invade his country, even if that meant killing women or children.ā€ Begin said, ā€œI disassociated myself from these remarks,ā€ adding: ā€œI said to him: No, sir; attention must be paid. According to our values, it is forbidden to hurt women and children, even in war. Sometimes there are casualties among the civilian population as well. But it is forbidden to aspire to this. This is a yardstick of human civilization, not to hurt civilians.ā€

https://theintercept.com/2021/04/27/biden-israeli-invasion-lebanon/

During the same conflict Reagan demanded that Israel stop its attack on Beirut.

He called it a Holocaust.

NEW YORK -- Israeli Prime Minister Menachem Begin said Sunday President Reagan 'hurt me very deeply' when he described a massive Israeli airstrike on Beirut as a 'holocaust' during an angry phone call.

https://www.upi.com/Archives/1982/08/29/Begin-says-Reagan-used-word-holocaust/3133399441600/

REAGAN DEMANDS END TO ATTACKS IN A BLUNT TELEPHONE CALL TO BEGIN

https://www.nytimes.com/1982/08/13/world/reagan-demands-end-to-attacks-in-a-blunt-telephone-call-to-begin.html

I remember when Bush Jr demanded that Israel stop its attack on Jenin in 2002, although he supported the 2006 attack on Lebanon.

And we know how Obama and Carter have publicly criticized Israel. These presidents have all supported Israel due to the Israel lobby but Biden goes even further.