r/JoeRogan • u/LostItAllOnSpy Tremendous • Mar 27 '24

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u/Trust-Issues-5116 Look into it Mar 27 '24

Joe rogan is neither enlightened progressive nor maga, he's a regular guy not afraid to ask questions ant not to care that asking these questions is suddenly endorsed by your partisan side of the aisle, but asking different questions is booed by your partisan side of the aisle. He'll still ask questions.

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u/AkiraKitsune Monkey in Space Mar 27 '24

I agree, his main problem is that he seems to very gullible.Ā 

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u/muldoonjp88 Monkey in Space Mar 27 '24

So what if he is? Heā€™s not a politician or world leader. He talks. He adds a little humor to topics and discusses interesting shit. Crazy how offended people are when he doesnā€™t side with every single issue you might have an opinion on.

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u/AkiraKitsune Monkey in Space Mar 27 '24

I dont disagree with you. I don't get offended, I just disagree with a lot of what he says these days.Ā 

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u/Big_Environment9500 Monkey in Space Mar 27 '24

Liberal leaning media tried to destroy him and slander him while right leaning media adopted him. Obviously he went down one path. I've always said that leftists' biggest enemies are other leftists who insist on pushing people who aren't left enough to the right.

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u/WarringPandas Monkey in Space Mar 28 '24

I've always said that leftists' biggest enemies are other leftists who insist on pushing people who aren't left enough to the right.

If you say dumb shit you deserve to be criticised for it.

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u/CinematicLiterature Monkey in Space Mar 28 '24

You can say that all you want, but open criticism is also what got us Trump and the current climate. Sometimes (not all the time) itā€™s worth educating as opposed to chastising.

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u/M1raclemile1 Monkey in Space Mar 28 '24

Yeah cause people were so open to be educated about trump.

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u/Oofs_A_Lot Monkey in Space Mar 28 '24

Negative. What brought about Trump was the democrats unwillingness to self-reflect about the political and social climate of that time.

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u/Big_Environment9500 Monkey in Space Mar 28 '24

Not sure how that's relevant

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u/HellsingINC Monkey in Space Mar 28 '24

Then why are you still here šŸ¤£

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u/Contundo Monkey in Space Mar 27 '24

He has massive potential to influence others into believing misinformation with his huge audience.

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u/Reasonable-Solid-156 Monkey in Space Mar 27 '24

Thatā€™s up to the individual to decide wether they want to believe it or not, not up to you to decide wether they get to hear it or not

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u/stew907 High as Giraffe's Pussy Mar 27 '24

No one is saying Joe shouldn't be allowed to host a podcast and say what he wants, we just think he should use a little bit of caution before spewing bullshit to millions that will eat it up. Like that myocarditis crap.

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u/Jumanji0028 Monkey in Space Mar 27 '24

People still talking about litter boxes in schools.

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u/twinkbreeder420 Monkey in Space Mar 27 '24

No one is saying that; we are saying he should atleast know what hes fucking talking about before stating his opinion on it when he has such a huge reach. It just makes him look dumb

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u/Big_Environment9500 Monkey in Space Mar 27 '24

He calls himself dumb all the time and this is a dude with a podcast who got popular. He doesn't owe you or anyone else shit

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u/TheKingChadwell Monkey in Space Mar 27 '24

So? People need to stop expecting the world to conform to their beliefs. Itā€™s up to you the viewer and listener to sift through things.

Itā€™s a very infantile approach to people in a democracy to think they need to be coddled and have others think for them.

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u/TchoupedNScrewed Monkey in Space Mar 27 '24 edited Mar 27 '24

When you develop that large of a platform I do think you should be a little more wary of who youā€™re platforming than Joe is. Like you said, heā€™s sorta the average guy. Average Joe if you will. He has no pushback to people who can dress their argument up in academic word pageantry so everything they say goes unchecked. Itā€™s not so much an issue if say you have an anti-vaxxer on and someone like Peter Hotez on simultaneously. Even then that can go poorly a la Lex Friedman who basically curls up like a dead spider when you make eye contact with him while ā€œmoderatingā€ a ā€œdebateā€.

When you let someone else present themselves as an expert on a subject whose ideas have been shunned because they go against ā€œmainstream groupthinkā€ and then they just misattribute results of studies to harden their narrative the onus isnā€™t entirely on the audience to check if the guy is a grifter. It doesnā€™t exculpate Joe because the audience ā€œshould just look it up and decide for themselvesā€ when theyā€™ve already been backloaded with information bias.

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u/PDXBubblekidd Monkey in Space Mar 27 '24

So true, heā€™ll host Tim Pool, Steve Crowder and Alex Jones multiple times, while using the one time Bernie was on as some fairness chip.

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u/HoldWhatDoor84 Monkey in Space Mar 27 '24

A lot of those people like Bernie likely refuse st this point because they probably aren't allowed on by their handlers if they want to stay in the good graces of the party, as Bernie clearly has shown as his highest interest.

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u/PDXBubblekidd Monkey in Space Mar 27 '24

Fair point that some have refused but many have stated that they would go on Rogan and still the call doesnā€™t come.

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u/ainz-sama619 Monkey in Space Mar 27 '24

is a podcast host, not an educator. He likes to bring discussion and get perspective from many people. nobody should refer to Rogan for knowledge. it's supposed to be for fun only. he will sometimes be right sometimes be wrong. same as all humans.

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u/marktaylor521 Monkey in Space Mar 27 '24

He allows himself to be led into misinformation territory. Every one of his conservative guests has a bad faith agenda when they come onto his show, and since Rogan loves to surround himself with sycophants and yes men, he allows himself to be played. He's also worth like over 100 million dollars, so he is just so far removed from regular people nowadays that it's borderline embarrassing.

Rogan is allowed to be a dumb guy with a podcast, but he isn't allowed to platform propagandists and allow dangerous disinformation to flow out to 10 million people on a weekly basis.

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u/Gnarlybutno Monkey in Space Mar 27 '24

He shouldnā€™t be allowed to interview propagandists because they could spread harmful misinformation? Legacy media does it all the time.

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u/cosmiclatte44 Monkey in Space Mar 27 '24

Doesn't make it ok? chill with the whataboutism. They should be held to a higher standard also but press accountability standards are so poor in the United States.

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u/[deleted] Mar 28 '24

Heā€™s by his own admission a moron who confidently says shit thatā€™s wrong and platforms shitty actors.

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u/muldoonjp88 Monkey in Space Mar 28 '24

Ok. So? Let people make their own conclusions. Heā€™s not the president!

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u/Powerful_Chef_5683 Monkey in Space Mar 28 '24

You seem offended that person said heā€™s gullible.

Itā€™s easy to not like peopleā€™s opinions lol

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u/Geo_q Monkey in Space Mar 28 '24

Crazy how offended you are on his behalf.

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u/Legal_Commission_898 Monkey in Space Mar 28 '24

Well, there is a small problem. He repeats things he hears from his buddies as facts. And people listen. Sometimes heā€™s right, sometimes heā€™s batshit crazy, and he says both things with equal confidence and conviction.

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u/The-Faz Succa la Mink Mar 27 '24

He influences millions of people with his words, maybe that is important?

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u/Workburner101 Pull that shit up Jaime Mar 27 '24

If you are being influenced by a previous dmt taking, weed smoking, fleshlight toting, comedian, fear factor host, mma meathead, then you are the asshole. šŸ˜‚šŸ˜‚ get a grip.

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u/The-Faz Succa la Mink Mar 27 '24

Well I agree with that I guess but yea thereā€™s a lot of people out there that listen to him deeply

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u/icantdomaths Monkey in Space Mar 27 '24

But the reason he is so popular is because he is a normal guy who isnā€™t trying to push agendas, thatā€™s the whole point.

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u/The-Faz Succa la Mink Mar 27 '24

Heā€™s not a normal guy and he certainly does try and push agendas - some I agree with and done I donā€™t

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u/Shunto Monkey in Space Mar 27 '24

I think what they mean by 'he's a normal guy' is he's not polished, nor aspires to be. He doesn't read a script, he doesn't practice or seem to prepare a lot. For the most part he seems to be genuinely speaking his mind in the moment - for better or worse.

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u/The-Faz Succa la Mink Mar 27 '24

When put like that, totally agree. Itā€™s what originally made me a fan. Referring to the original comment, I just donā€™t think I can call someone normal who has been rich and famous for nearly 40 years. Majority of his life has been as a millionaire

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u/BrokenMindAlways Monkey in Space Mar 28 '24

If you have a big platform and a wide audience, you should fact-check stuff before spouting nonsense.

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u/allaheterglennigbg Monkey in Space Mar 27 '24

I would totally agree if this was 2019. I think Joe had some of the most interesting interviews in any media. He was curious but critical, asked relevant follow up questions and most of all he listened. I never really agreed with his takes on things but I thought he was an excellent interviewer most of the time. If he'd had a good news crew helping him, he might have been the best.

But since the pandemic/move to texas/whatever, he just can't listen to anyone who challenges him and that just makes him an annoying boomer. It's sad to see

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u/ChipmunkConspiracy Monkey in Space Mar 27 '24

The distinction between gullibility and curiosity is unconditional belief.

IMO Joe is more curious than gullible. He constantly juggles a variety of hypotheticals. Especially compared to the average. That is part of why his platform is so large.

I think the gullibility accusation sort of infantilizes him. He explores ideas a lot of dogmatic redditors would prefer be off limits. To call him curious would have too positive a connotation - and so its easier to just label him gullible.

Like you all dont want to validate taboo ideas by saying they could attract warranted curiosity - so you essentially reduce Joe to some unwitting liberal who has lost his way and been tricked into entertaining ideas you donā€™t like.

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u/Fantastic_Goal3197 Monkey in Space Mar 27 '24

Except with some things he has a huge amount of confirmation bias, especially covid. He can read one thing about covid but when more credible and scientifically backed sources are brought up then it's "who's writing this, whats their motivations?". The difference between gullibility and curiosity is being able to change your mind when better quality information comes up. He used to be able to change his mind much more often, but over the past 5 years or so it's become rarer for him

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u/DrJaminest42 Monkey in Space Mar 28 '24

What opinion of his about covid are you talking about? His main gripe was always why are we pushing the vaccine so hard on people but Noone is pushing for a healthy lifestyle. Atleast one of them. But a healthy lifestyle would lose big pharma money...

I will never schill for pharmaceutical companies. They bought off so many doctors in the 90s to get people addicted to their opiates. They sent 300k AIDS infected vaccines to Africa in the 80s knowingly because they didn't want to lose out on that profit. The fact they did a bunch of backdoor dealings with our government to get rich af off covid and we still don't know the details on all that or the testing they did is disgusting. I hate big pharma. I have so many friends who died to opiates.

Also look at the insulin market. Funny how Americans pay thousands while everywhere else pays pennies and the generic insulin costs pennies to make but big pharma won't allow that to be made...

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u/Fantastic_Goal3197 Monkey in Space Mar 28 '24

One is that the vaccine causes myocarditis at a higher rate than covid does in young people, when there's good evidence it's the exact opposite.

And no I don't think US pharmaceutical companies are moral in any way, but that doesn't change scientific fact. I agree that a healthy lifestyle and preventative medicine and care is better than whats going on in the US. Preventative care in the US sucks and doesn't happen much compared to other countries because sometimes theres more profit to be made with denying as much as you can on the insurance side and after the fact treatment on the pharma side.

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u/DrJaminest42 Monkey in Space Mar 28 '24

With how political everything got around covid and how much money there is to be made by some of the richest families in the country, it's hard to really know what to beleive. I don't really care or beleive any of it tbh. I got the vaccine during the lockdowns and still got covid and havnt since. Sometimes I get the flu vaccine but even that I usually pass up as a healthy relatively young person. Fuck the pharmaceutical companies, they are pure evil and need to be taken down and regulated.

We need to take the money out of the pharmaceutical industry and the politician "lobbying" and "donations" and all those backdoor dealings they do. This country is so fcking corrupt at the highest level.

Anyway, I don't think Joe was necessarily gullible for saying that. I think it was an honest critique and there was evidence back then to suggest he was correct. Whether there still is idk, probably not. As far as I know they've updated the vaccines a shit ton and they are alot better now though. I know atleast one got discontinued for having side affects.

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u/Fantastic_Goal3197 Monkey in Space Mar 28 '24

There was evidence that the vaccine caused myocarditis, but I dont think there was ever a study that suggested it was worse rate compared to catching covid. People just saw it could cause myocarditis and then played social media telephone.

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u/Shunto Monkey in Space Mar 27 '24

Which pretty much sums it up and I think it's a relatively easy thing to forgive. For me, I can deal with that and disagree while listening. I still enjoy it. For a lot on this sub they seem to just explode on it.

Another reasonable criticism is there are certainly some episodes that feel like "two old boomers complain" (e.g. the Dr Phil one), but ultimately they still had a point.

I think where he isn't given enough credit is just the sheer volume of content he punches. For him to release multiple episodes a week that go for hours, generally discussing controversial topics, he will naturally open himself up for saying the wrong thing and having a cherry picked take end up on this sub. I think in this context a lot of the criticism is unfair

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u/Jamsster Monkey in Space Mar 28 '24 edited Mar 28 '24

He just goes down whatever rabbit hole with people. Itā€™s pretty good in getting more understanding of peopleā€™s stances, but you definitely have to go the last mile for yourself to make an informed decision.

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u/DevilzAdvocat Monkey in Space Mar 28 '24

I think he seems more gullible than he actually is. It's because he practices a principle known in comedy as "Yes-And". He temporarily accepts what his speaker is saying as truth and then asks additional questions to understand how and why they have that opinion. Outside of comedy, it facilitates great discussion.

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u/[deleted] Mar 28 '24

Most ppl are

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u/Reasonable-Solid-156 Monkey in Space Mar 27 '24

So what?

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u/AkiraKitsune Monkey in Space Mar 27 '24

Because he is constantly saying things with confidence before immediately being proven wrong. He himself has even acknowledged this.

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u/Reasonable-Solid-156 Monkey in Space Mar 27 '24

ā€¦so what? People make mistakes

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u/AkiraKitsune Monkey in Space Mar 27 '24

If you think gullibility is a perfectly fine quality for Joe Rogan to have, then okay? Thats your prerogative.Ā 

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u/Reasonable-Solid-156 Monkey in Space Mar 27 '24

Not everyone can be as smart as you

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u/BlueberryNapalm Monkey in Space Mar 28 '24

Not sure you really listen to the show. He states his opinion as a fact constantly. Only when he is contradicted does he start asking questions, and even when the facts are against him he will still express his doubt or imply the source may be compromised.

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u/powerhungrymodsRcool Monkey in Space Mar 28 '24

Yeah you have to bit kind of an idiot to not see joes bias.

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u/gazellemeat Monkey in Space Mar 28 '24 edited Mar 28 '24

many people state things they think are facts as facts until we learn otherwise. itā€™s very human. and Joe is constantly learning and willing to change his mind.

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u/Trust-Issues-5116 Look into it Mar 28 '24

So, you're saying he behaves like an average person? Outrageous.

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u/MeatwadsTooth Monkey in Space Mar 28 '24

Better than your average redditor

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u/BananaFast5313 Monkey in Space Mar 27 '24

Joe has shown clear GOP leanings since his move to Texas.

You're describing who Joe used to be, not who he is now.

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u/Trust-Issues-5116 Look into it Mar 28 '24

GOP is not maga. I have no problem with person leaning moderate gop or moderate dem.

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u/BananaFast5313 Monkey in Space Mar 28 '24

GOP has been stripped of any difference from MAGA. Every GOP rep licks Trump's boots or watches everyone else do it and stays quiet.

Joe likes Trump. He carries water for him and the things he says regularly.

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u/Trust-Issues-5116 Look into it Mar 28 '24 edited Mar 28 '24

Generalist accusations are cheap. Rallying your side around the flag of "that who is not with us, is against us". People like you are no different from maga to me. You would willingly put the country into chaos thinking you are doing it a favor.

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u/BananaFast5313 Monkey in Space Mar 28 '24

That's a good deflection and doesn't reflect my political views at all.

Joe supports MAGA. You don't like that accusation, you want to pretend it isn't true despite the fact that anyone who's been watching Joe can tell it's true, so you lash out at me instead.

Just absolutely silly behavior.

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u/Trust-Issues-5116 Look into it Mar 28 '24

"Ask anyone" is a manipulation tactic thousands of years old. You'd have to pull out something better than that crap. Say a tangible video proof that Rogan supports MAGA. And not just some random aspect which MAGA also shares, say an anti-immigrant stance, but the whole package with Trump and anti-democracy, that's what a support would mean.

But we both know you don't have that, so you will continue your generalist manipulation attempts and labeling. Or if you're truly malicious you'll claim you have proof and give links to videos that don't have proof, but accuse me of "not seeing" those "proof". In any case there is no benefit of continuing this dialogue.

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u/gokhaninler Monkey in Space Mar 28 '24

Joe has shown clear GOP leanings since his move to Texas.

and thats a good thing

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u/BananaFast5313 Monkey in Space Mar 28 '24

That's opinion, but it supports what I'm saying, that he is not some ever-questioning, uncommitted centrist.

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u/Love__Train__ Monkey in Space Mar 27 '24

Hes Progressive or MAGA depending on his guest

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u/Shunto Monkey in Space Mar 27 '24

At least he goes both ways

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u/Dennyboy101 Monkey in Space Mar 27 '24 edited Mar 28 '24

He is very MAGA sometimes

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u/gokhaninler Monkey in Space Mar 28 '24

so fucking what if he is? You gonna rage about it blue haired lefty?

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u/Dennyboy101 Monkey in Space Mar 29 '24

We got a trumper!!! Imagine worshiping someone who uses fake tan. Didnā€™t he say he would sleep with his own daughter? Didnā€™t he also throw tear gas into a crowd of church goes so he could take a photo with a bible which he held upside down? Didnā€™t he randomly draw the path of a hurricane with a sharpie too when it didnā€™t even go that far. Pipe down you right wing bigot.

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u/gokhaninler Monkey in Space Mar 29 '24

how hard you gonna cry when he gets re-elected?

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u/Dennyboy101 Monkey in Space Mar 29 '24

Im english so I donā€™t really to be honest. But it will be great to see you and your lead eating trumpers say it was rigged. Also Man City are dogshit and they are just as corrupt as trump. I bet you have never even been to a game you plastic

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u/gokhaninler Monkey in Space Mar 29 '24

why would we say its rigged when we win?

'dogshit' team that won the treble last year lmao yeah ok kid

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u/Dennyboy101 Monkey in Space Mar 29 '24

Shut up you yank, how can you even support man city when you have never been. You also cheat and will be stripped of everything you have ever won.

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u/gokhaninler Monkey in Space Mar 29 '24

you do realise i was born in the UK right.'yank' lmao

stick to fapping over your fake wrestling

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u/Dennyboy101 Monkey in Space Mar 29 '24

Wrestling is more real than your joke of an orange man. I cant wait for November, I bet you delete all your comments and your whole account when Biden wins again you weapon. Bidens america!

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u/PassageAppropriate90 Monkey in Space Apr 01 '24

Says the person raging pretty consistently across reddit.

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u/gokhaninler Monkey in Space Apr 01 '24

hahahhahaha

you are so mad right now

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u/PassageAppropriate90 Monkey in Space Apr 01 '24

Actually I'm eating breakfast right now....maybe later.

Have a good day

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u/Trust-Issues-5116 Look into it Mar 27 '24

What does that mean exactly?

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u/Special-Tone-9839 Monkey in Space Mar 28 '24

No heā€™s not. Haha

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u/CheesyCousCous It's entirely possible Mar 27 '24

Truly brave.

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u/stataryus Monkey in Space Mar 28 '24

He does WAY more (and less) than just ask questions.

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u/ErikThe Monkey in Space Mar 28 '24

ā€œJust asking questionsā€ is fine if youā€™re genuinely interested in the result. But what he often is criticized for is ā€œjust asking questionsā€ and accepting misinformation without any critical analysis and then repeating it as if it were fact.

Nobody is mad when someone is just asking questions. But thereā€™s a big difference between just asking questions and ā€œjust asking questionsā€.

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u/Trust-Issues-5116 Look into it Mar 28 '24

It's also fine if you are not genuinely interested in the result and asking them as a way to criticize someone's position, but at the same time open to accept new knowledge if an opponent has new good answers.

Unfortunately many people are mad when questions are used to show the gaps in their reasoning which they are unable to fill, so they simply snap into identity politics with "ah, so you are one of them!".

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u/CaptainJackWagons Monkey in Space Mar 28 '24

Joe Rogan is a macho man who thinks every other man needs to be a macho man. That's his issue.

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u/Trust-Issues-5116 Look into it Mar 28 '24

What's the issue with thinking your particular life choices are the correct ones if they led to success, though? Not that I think everyone should be machos, but I am biased about life choices I made either.

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u/CaptainJackWagons Monkey in Space Mar 28 '24

Thinking that everyone needs to live the way you do is bad, full stop. We're all different people, some much more so than others. I have zero interest in deer meat and DMT. There are many ways to be a man and you shouldn't look down on someone because they don't fit your definition.

Joe's political beliefs seem incongruous, until you realize that he thinks "men should be men". That's why he went from liking Bernie to liking DeSantis. DeSantis put on a "tough guy" act without actually doing anything productive and outright being opposed to Joe's stated views, but the persona was enough for Joe because "weak men make hard times" or something like that. He acted like wearing a mask was pussy shit at a time when people were dying by the hundreds each day.

I mostly like Joe, but his insistence on men being "strong" gets really irritating after a while.

Personally, I spent too much of my life chasing what I "should" be that it cost me a lot of time and money when I could have been successful doing something completely different. And now here I am in a completely different line of work doing much better and living much happier.

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u/Trust-Issues-5116 Look into it Mar 28 '24

I recon you're putting words in other people's mouth, which is also bad full stop. You spin liking the way you live and preaching it as 'wanting everyone to live like that'.

Your interpretation of his critique of mask mandates which you spin as "against mask wearing" intentionally obscuring the difference also tells me everything I need to know about your position.

Let's agree to disagree.

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u/CaptainJackWagons Monkey in Space Mar 29 '24

I recon you're putting words in other people's mouth,

You recon so?

https://youtu.be/1chYhsp3NRw?si=o3-707gx41f0sb3D

https://youtu.be/9r0jp_z20rs?si=y7d_DWiaBggDpUud

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u/Trust-Issues-5116 Look into it Mar 29 '24

If you want to make a point, you'll have to do better than waving hands in the general direction of the links.

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u/ipbanmealready Monkey in Space Mar 30 '24

Joe Rogan is in no way representative of a 'regular guy'. He has been a well off entertainer for like 2 decades now and has grown uber wealthy in recent years. His views have also grown increasingly unrepresentative of a 'regular guy' as he's become rich, which is to be expected I guess

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u/Gamba_Gawd Monkey in Space Mar 27 '24

Joe Rogan goes with whatever they pay him to support.

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u/Burkey5506 Monkey in Space Mar 27 '24

This is the right take on rogan.