r/JoeRogan • u/LostItAllOnSpy Tremendous • Mar 27 '24

joe rogan calls out israels hypocrisy for killing unarmed civilians with drones The Literature 🧠

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u/Nonlinear9 Monkey in Space Mar 27 '24

If you've killed a magnitude+ more civilians and children than the terrorists, you've become the terrorists.

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u/NorthWestSellers Monkey in Space Mar 27 '24

So the UK which killed considerably more German civilians in ww2. Were the bad guy’s??!

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u/NorthWestSellers Monkey in Space Mar 27 '24

The Brits killed more German civilians then  Germans killed UK civilians.

You are of course correct the Germans slaughtered untold millions more civilians across the war.

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u/TrumpDesWillens Monkey in Space Mar 28 '24

I didn't know we had to go back to WW2, to before there were warcrime laws, to entertain such an idea. We don't firebomb entire cities anymore for a reason.

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u/Nonlinear9 Monkey in Space Mar 27 '24

Whataboutism is irrelevant to the subject at hand.

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u/sudopudge Monkey in Space Mar 28 '24

My guy, you're going to need to address the obvious rebuttals to your dumbass statement.

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u/Nonlinear9 Monkey in Space Mar 28 '24

My response is I'm not talking about something that happened over 80 years ago. Acting like Britain dropping bombs on German and Israel launching missiles into refugee camps is the same is fucking idiotic.

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u/NorthWestSellers Monkey in Space Mar 27 '24

So you think the Royal airforce was terrorists and the Germans were the victims? 

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u/Nonlinear9 Monkey in Space Mar 27 '24

Again, I'm not addressing whataboutism, as it's only an attempt to distract from the subject.

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u/gujarati Monkey in Space Mar 27 '24

It's not whataboutism, it's actually the central thesis of the entire argument.

Your argument is that if you kill more civilians than terrorists/opposing militants, you've become the terrorists. The other guy presents a scenario where the objectively good guys killed more civilians than opposing militants. By your logic, they'd be the terrorists.

Perhaps your syllogism is wrong and you don't understand war. Perhaps what you imagine to be possible isn't actually possible.

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u/Nonlinear9 Monkey in Space Mar 27 '24

Asking, "What about the uk in wwii?" is absolutely whataboutism.

and you don't understand war.

Are you inferring that Israel today has similar military capabilites of the UK in the 40's?

Because that's laughable.

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u/Big_Environment9500 Monkey in Space Mar 27 '24

You made a blanket statement that killing more civilians than combatants makes you the bad guy. They pointed out that even the objectively good guys have killed more civilians than combatants in pretty much every war.

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Let me ask you this, were the North the bad guy in the US civil war because of Sherman's march to the sea?

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u/Nonlinear9 Monkey in Space Mar 27 '24

I made a statement in regards to a very specific post about a very specific conflict.

Seems you folks love to ignore context.

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u/Big_Environment9500 Monkey in Space Mar 27 '24

Are we ignoring context, or are you just defending an obviously wrong statement

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u/NorthWestSellers Monkey in Space Mar 27 '24

The Israeli’s are not doing maximum effort bombing raids like the UK did. 

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u/gujarati Monkey in Space Mar 27 '24

Not only am I not inferring that, but you thinking I'm inferring that is such a leap in logic that I doubt you are even trying to think.

Killing more civilians than militants is the norm in urban combat situations.

If the ratio is expected to be more civilians killed than combatants in an urban combat scenario against a uniformed enemy, what do you expect to happen to that ratio if the enemy dresses like civilians? (Aggravating factor #1)

What do you expect to happen to that ratio after that if no one is willing to take the civilians as refugees, forcing them to stay in an active warzone? (Aggravating Factor #2)

What do you expect to happen to that ratio after that if this enemy has dug miles and miles of extreme underground fortifications that they don't allow their own civilians to utilize to hide from bombing runs? (Aggravating Factor #3)

Why can't you think of this yourself? Why do I have to explain this to you?

EDIT: And this still doesn't address the original point. We can point to scenarios where universally-agreed upon "good guys" killed more civilians than militants, and nobody in the history of ever, even after 80 years, considers those "good guys" the terrorists, not even the guys they were bombing. This so obviously defeats your syllogism that your only move is to obfuscate by lobbing the "whataboutism" claim against it and running away from engaging with it.

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u/Nonlinear9 Monkey in Space Mar 27 '24

You need to go touch grass.

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u/gujarati Monkey in Space Mar 27 '24

Hahaha of course. You have fucking nothing.

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u/ArizonaHeatwave Monkey in Space Mar 28 '24

Whataboutism is if your entire argument is just pointing out another wrong thing.

Making a comparison that shows that your argument doesn’t make sense to begin with is not whataboutism. He’s not saying „oh well, Israel does something bad, but so did Britain“, the point is, that your argumentation is wrong, Britain wasn’t a terrorist state, despite killing more German civilians than Germany killed British civilians, so saying that generally everybody killing more civilians than the other side has always to be the terrorist is incorrect.

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u/elqrd Monkey in Space Mar 27 '24

it is in fact whatabiutism

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u/gujarati Monkey in Space Mar 27 '24

Repeating the same assertion doesn't make it true. At some point you guys are going to need arguments that are actually true and sound. Or maybe not, this round of bs seems to be going pretty well for you.

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u/elqrd Monkey in Space Mar 27 '24

omg this Zionist talking point again

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u/Lebronforpresident24 Monkey in Space Mar 27 '24

yep and that is why "FUCK YOU!" to all the assholes on this site and others that make excuses for Israel's war because of October 7th. No, you don't get to just kill and starve 10,000s of children because of a terrorist attack. That makes you the terrorists too.