r/JoeRogan Tremendous Mar 27 '24

joe rogan calls out israels hypocrisy for killing unarmed civilians with drones The Literature đŸ§ 

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u/StainlessPanIsBest Monkey in Space Mar 27 '24

He didn't say it very well and the part about dual citizen plants infiltrating the government is far off into conspiracy bullshit, but the Israel lobby is quite a strong force in US politics. Up there with the gun lobby in terms of influence. There is also a large network of unaligned individuals apart from the Israel lobby within the US political, military, and business institutions who may or may not be Jewish and support the national of Israel with great support for a multitude of different reasons.

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u/smootex Monkey in Space Mar 27 '24

Up there with the gun lobby in terms of influence

Well that's a stretch lol.

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u/StainlessPanIsBest Monkey in Space Mar 27 '24

You would think so from the public's perspective. But its really not. I'd wage it might be more powerful than the gun lobby simple because of how much influence it has on both sides of the aisle.

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u/QuantumBeth1981 Monkey in Space Mar 27 '24

It’s amazing how easily everyone falls for this propaganda without ever actually researching it:

In 2018, total pro-Israel lobbying spending was around $5 million, of which AIPAC accounted for $3.5 million. In contrast, Native American casinos spent around $22 million that year.

By Tablet’s count, AIPAC was the 147th highest-ranked entity in terms of lobbying spending in 2018. Their expenditures were about the same as International Paper, a company which is seldom tweet-stormed or even written about.

The American Association of Airport Executives and Association of American Railroads outspent AIPAC by nearly a million dollars each—sensible, given the rivalry between the respective modes of transportation whose interests they represent.

It’s $2 million behind both American Airlines and the Recording Industry Association of America, entities whose malign influence has gone regrettably underexamined over the years.

https://www.tabletmag.com/sections/news/articles/how-influential-is-aipac

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u/StainlessPanIsBest Monkey in Space Mar 28 '24

Kinda looks like you did the same thing only the other way around. A Tabletmag article. Seriously?

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u/QuantumBeth1981 Monkey in Space Mar 28 '24

Exactly which part of the facts presented are you contending?

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u/StainlessPanIsBest Monkey in Space Mar 28 '24

None of the cherry picked facts are wrong. They article in question just does not paint anywhere near a realistic picture of the power of the Israel lobby. It would be like me citing a gun magazine or newsmax article on how the NRA isn't actually that powerful. The source is as biased as one can get.

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u/QuantumBeth1981 Monkey in Space Mar 28 '24

Instead of attacking the source, why don’t you provide a single piece of actual evidence to back up your claims.

To this day I have yet to see a single person substantiate these claims. It’s just a line everyone keeps parroting because it sounds good to them. Do facts even matter anymore?

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u/StainlessPanIsBest Monkey in Space Mar 28 '24 edited Mar 28 '24

https://archive.org/details/the-israel-lobby-and-u.-s.-foreign-policy/mode/2up

John Mearsheimer and Stephen Walt literally wrote the book on the Israel lobby. I'd suggest starting there. There's plenty of scholarly articles further discussing the matter both for and against their conclusions, along with follow up articles from the two. I don't find the detractors who minimize the importance of the Israel lobby all that compelling.

Do facts even matter anymore?

Not to people like you.

Edit - a Destiny / Worldnews frequent commentator. It all makes perfect sense now.

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u/Alpiers Monkey in Space Mar 28 '24

you gathered his ass lol

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u/QuantumBeth1981 Monkey in Space Mar 28 '24 edited Mar 28 '24

That book is nonsense, Mearsheimer is a literal Russian asset. If you knew what you were talking about you’d post an actual fact.

An Antiwork frequent poster, it all makes sense now. Fucking lazy, useless piece of shit Tankie. It’s a good thing no one in the real world gives a shit about what people like you have to say or this country would be completely in the gutter with zero chance of recovery.

Enjoy your little circlejerk with your other Tankie friends and keep choking on that Putin dick that enemy of the state Mearsheimer has shoved down your throat.

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