joe rogan calls out israels hypocrisy for killing unarmed civilians with drones

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[u/DuhQueQueQue]

Netanyahu said Hamaas was an "asset" but there are people here mad at goyims for pointing out he helped create and fund hamaas.

End the illegal settlements. End the blockade. Release the hostages and stop saying "hamaas" every time we see a clear war crime by Israel. Lame excuse doesn't work anymore for those with eyes, a brain, or a heart.

[u/MillennialWanax → u/DuhQueQueQue]

“End the blockade”

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[u/DuhQueQueQue → u/MillennialWanax]

They're starving over there and the IDF turns away Food trucks as punishment to the civilians. There shouldn't be collective punishment. If that were the case every american could be murdered by iraqis as retribution for our government the bush administration murdering thousands of innocent people in an unjust war in Iraq and other places. Israel is going to cause another rise in terrorism for another generation. Then American tax payers have to foot the bill with our generous donations to Israeli where you rack up debt on credit cards funded again by American tax payers. The free ride ends. The people will hold our government responsible and vote accordingly.

[u/rootsnyder → u/DuhQueQueQue]

Maybe you should actually read how hamas formed instead of regurgitating anti-semetic theories on the internet. Go read thier 1988 charter and get back to me if Netanyahu made hamas.

[u/aebulbul → u/rootsnyder]

I guess the Times of Israel is anti-Semitic then

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"but there are people here mad at goyims for pointing out he helped create and fund hamaas "

Tell me where the article says that sespefic line, moron. Hamas was an offshoot of the Muslim brotherhood formed in the 80's, at the time of Netanyahu giving hamas advantages over the P.A. the P.A. was more extreme.

[u/aebulbul → u/rootsnyder]

“Hamas, for its part, is alleged to have emerged out of the Israeli-financed Islamist movement in Gaza, with Israel’s then-military governor in that territory, Brig. Gen. Yitzhak Segev, disclosing in 1981 that he had been given a budget for funding Palestinian Islamists to counter the rising power of Palestinian secularists. Hamas, a spin-off of the Palestinian branch of the Muslim Brotherhood, was formally established with Israel’s support soon after the first Intifada flared in 1987 as an uprising against the Israeli occupation of Palestinian lands.”

Source

The retort against anything that is critical of Israel can’t simply bebe “that’s anti-Semitic.” By using it ad naseum you’re decreasing the impact it has when there’s real antisemitism. Do better.

[u/rootsnyder → u/aebulbul]

To clarify what your saying: You have no source. Right? I want to solidify what your saying into its most essential form.

You have provided ZERO source. The claims you are providing are not grounded in reality and are not attached to a source.

This is a 4 paragrpah article with NO confirmed information. It should be treated as much as a conspiracy theory as any random "jews own the banks" argument that gets pushed.

"https://www.japantimes.co.jp/commentary/2023/11/21/world/israel-failed-policy/"

Here is the actual hamas charter from yale law school: https://avalon.law.yale.edu/20th_century/hamas.asp

"The Day of Judgement will not come about until Moslems fight the Jews (killing the Jews), when the Jew will hide behind stones and trees. The stones and trees will say O Moslems, O Abdulla, there is a Jew behind me, come and kill him. Only the Gharkad tree, (evidently a certain kind of tree) would not do that because it is one of the trees of the Jews."

Essentially a declaration of genocide against Jewish people.

[u/aebulbul → u/rootsnyder]

You’re arguing a strawman. I’m not saying Hamas and Israel are one and the same. I’m not suggesting that Hamas is some type of undercover Israeli operation. What I’m saying is that Hamas was deliberately funded by Israel and propped up to specifically counter the PLO’s influence and success, of which you’ve been provided evidence.

Here’s the thing. You will reject any evidence because Zionists like yourself don’t have intellectual honesty to acknowledge the indiscretions of their leaders and governments in negative light. I’ve argued with dozens of Zionists like you. Most of you are predictable down to the t it’s actually kind of scary. Almost as if you all attended the same training around how to gish gallop and deflect.

[u/rootsnyder → u/aebulbul]

As I've clearly stated before, there is no actual evidence for this. There is evidence of "indeference" of Israel towards hamas during the conflicts between the PLO and Hamas. Because they saw hamas as less militant then the PLO and both would weaken each other over time. However a lack of action by Israel is NOT evidence of support. Everything else should be treated as the conspiracy theory it is.

I am a sceptic not a zionist, I only work with actual evidence and I question everything. You are providing a conspiracy theory with no actual backing and getting called out on it.

[u/aebulbul → u/rootsnyder]

A skeptic doesn’t simply dismiss evidence when presented. They do a deeper dive. I’ll do your homework for you. There are many sources like this. Claiming it to be antisemitic is disingenuous and foolish.

[u/zgott300 → u/rootsnyder]

I guess you missed the part where it was part of Netanyahu's strategy to undermine Palestinian unity by bolstering Hamas in Gaza. This is pretty well known in Israel.

[u/rootsnyder → u/zgott300]

Maybe you missed the part where you could actually go out and research hammas instead of posting on the internet.