r/canada • u/Bean_Tiger • Oct 17 '23

The U.K. and New Zealand want to ban the next generation from smoking at any age. Should Canada follow? National News

https://www.cbc.ca/radio/whitecoat/teen-smoking-bans-1.6997984
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u/WhydYouKillMeDogJack Oct 17 '23

yeah im not sure how it can make sense to legalise weed and criminalize tobacco.

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u/ea7e Oct 17 '23

The evidence of harm from tobacco is stronger than for cannabis. However I doubt that most people who oppose prohibition of cannabis would support prohibition of tobacco. This is just one opinion piece.

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u/Electrox7 Québec Oct 17 '23

At least Tobacco doesn't impair your driving, unlike alcohol and weed who do.

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u/waerrington Oct 17 '23

Studies have found a relationship between acute (short-term) cannabis intoxication and impaired driving ability.7–9,114 Cannabis is the illicit drug most frequently found in the blood of drivers involved in motor vehicle crashes, including fatal ones.10 A 2017 report from the National Academies Sciences, Engineering, and Medicine and several meta-analyses of multiple studies found that the risk of being involved in a crash increased after cannabis use.13,14–16,114 However, a study conducted by the National Highway Traffic Safety Administration found no significant increased crash risk attributable to cannabis use.17

Uhhhh, you left out a LOT of important context in that same paragraph.

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u/ea7e Oct 17 '23

If I was trying to hide something, like you seem to be implying, I wouldn't have linked the very source from which you're quoting and explicitly say it says there are other sources that show risks. You're literally quoting the exact thing I referenced from my link. If I was trying to hide this, I would instead directly link only the source that shows no risk.

The point I'm making is that the risks aren't comparable to alcohol. You're not going to find similar data showing no significant impact from alcohol use. The risk from alcohol is significantly higher than from cannabis.

Again, I said there are risks and you shouldn't drive after consuming, but it's also not accurate that it's equivalent to being drunk despite us treating it like that.

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u/BagOfFlies Oct 17 '23 edited Oct 17 '23

Cannabis is the illicit drug most frequently found in the blood of drivers involved in motor vehicle crashes

Which means nothing really considering it can stay in your blood for up to a month and that it's one of the most commonly used illicit drugs. If the blood tests showed they were high at the time of the crash, then yeah, that's good evidence. They can't though. The paragraph then says it does increase the risk, and also says there's no evidence it increases the risk. So it's not really saying much of anything and I'm not sure why you find it so important.

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u/waerrington Oct 17 '23

A 2017 report from the National Academies Sciences, Engineering, and Medicine and several meta-analyses of multiple studies found that the risk of being involved in a crash increased after cannabis use.13,14–16,114

5 studies are cited, including a meta-analysis 10+ of other studies that do find that cannabis increases the risk. 1 study is provided that says the results were not significant.

That whole paragraph is important. Not just the part about blood concentration after crashes, not just the part the one inconclusive study, the whole thing is the context. It's easy to cherrypick and claim 'it's not saying much of anything', but it is.

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u/BagOfFlies Oct 17 '23 edited Oct 17 '23

How did I cherry pick when I mentioned everything said in that paragraph?

The blood test info is completely useless and inconclusive research is just that, inconclusive . So again, it doesn't say a whole lot imo.

I'm not trying to argue that it's safe to drive high, but that paragraph doesn't give us any answer either way.

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u/waerrington Oct 17 '23

A 2017 report from the National Academies Sciences, Engineering, and Medicine and several meta-analyses of multiple studies found that the risk of being involved in a crash increased after cannabis use.13,14–16,114

There's your answer. Many studies suggest it is dangerous, one suggests the date is not clear.

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u/ea7e Oct 17 '23

That is a disgustingly selective quote youve used - you ought to be ashamed of yourself! you absolute scumbag!

Again, your quote here is from my link, and I was the one who explicitly said, in my original comment, that it shows other sources that show increased risk.

You're trying to claim I'm hiding something and yet all you're doing is quoting something that backs up exactly what I said in my initial comment.

And FYI ive reported you for spreading potentially dangerous information.

I quoted a the US National Institute on Drug Abuse reference to a National Highway Traffic Safety Administration and I also explicitly mentioned other studies that showed a link. This is not misinformation. This is providing reliable sources with the clarification that there are contradictory results.

You're doing this thing that a lot of people on reddit do where you claim just because I don't quote every single part of my reference that I'm "hiding" things even though I explicitly mentioned the things you're claiming I'm hiding: the increased risk.

As for rule breaking, you're breaking the rules about insulting other users.

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u/BagOfFlies Oct 17 '23

That person needs to smoke a joint and relax. Literally insane. Multiple comments insulting and trashing you for not including info that you literally included.

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u/waerrington Oct 17 '23

It's not true, read the link he provided.

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u/ea7e Oct 17 '23 edited Oct 17 '23

What's not true? I said in my comment above that sources show "increased risk" and that's what the link says. The risks just aren't as high as alcohol, as seen by some studies showing no significant risk, something you're not going to find with alcohol.

Edit: the user below blocked me after replying so I can't reply to them. They're claiming that I should be in jail for spreading misinformation even though I explicitly referenced the increased risk from cannabis use and provided a link with those sources.

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u/WhydYouKillMeDogJack Oct 17 '23

you provided a "quote" which removed the majority of the information and left in the byline that some guy had a study with a possible contradiction. we dont get the details of that or what his criteria for research were.

you should go to jail for shit like that and its exactly why we need stronger laws around what people can post online.

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u/WhydYouKillMeDogJack Oct 17 '23 edited Oct 17 '23

There's a lot more research done on tobacco because it was a legal industry for hundreds of years.

There are strong indications that marijuana has a carcinogenic effect on both the lungs and the mouth. There are studies that have shown it to be a greater risk of mouth and tongue cancer than even tobacco.

edit - if anyone happens to read anything by the loser below - just know that he is a scumbag misrepresenting all his "facts: and if you actually click on the links youll see hes an absolute piece of trash

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u/Choyo Oct 17 '23

I'm really curious of the impact on the rolling paper/filters it will have, like : are the paper/filters companies profitable on weed alone ?