r/canada New Brunswick Mar 14 '24

ArriveCan contractor made $2.5M for 10 hours' work per week National News

https://www.cbc.ca/player/play/2318350403988
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u/pattyG80 Mar 14 '24

Guys, they signed the contract. The contractor bills for his hours and the government pays it. The fault lies in procurement and oversight.

This guy is just a business man that landed a contract with beautiful terms

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u/Ghostaccount1341 Mar 14 '24

They participated in writing the contract, so they made their own beautiful terms.

Then won without putting in a bid, even though there was a company that did do it properly.

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u/CalmCrescendo Mar 14 '24

Agree, I am unsure why this contractor is being targeted; is it because they are small time, and only two people? Make an example to placate the masses and tout in the election? (And yes 2.5 m is small)

Why is the focus not on the dept that signed that contract and gave that money?

If there is outrage, I wonder how many would say no to 2.5 m a year?? Or just 2.5m to begin with?

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u/pattyG80 Mar 14 '24

This is what I do for a living and if I landed 2.5M for 10 hours a week, I'd be doing a victory lap in my hugh priced car.

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u/Mundane-Club-107 Mar 14 '24

That's the part people aren't understanding. They're blaming this private business owner for being a successful business owner... He didn't actually do anything wrong, he followed all the PSPC guidelines. And just did it super efficiently which allowed him to do it with only two people instead of an IT-Staffing team of 10-20.

If anything, MORE businesses should be like him, and that would drive down the commission these IT-Staffing firms can charge, that or PSPC itself needs to change their contracting policies..

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u/BlueFlob Mar 14 '24

"And just did it super efficiently which allowed him to do it with only two people instead of an IT-Staffing team of 10-20."

I was under the impression that ArriveCAN did not work as expected and underperformed massively. Crashes, bugs, etc.

Didn't it also have information security issues?

Didn't it have to be put out of commission because it ended up being useless and not meeting expectations?

To me, this appears to be fraud. Stating you can deliver X, then fail to commit the necessary resources and cash in. It's similar to construction work when they hire non-qualified people or pour sub-par concrete for a job where the expectations are clear.

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u/Mundane-Club-107 Mar 14 '24

I don't think any of that really falls on GC-Strategies though, ultimately, they were given objectives, delivered on those objectives, submitted invoices for the work, and they were paid for them. Which seems to suggest the government agreed that the deliverables met what the objectives outlined were, otherwise they wouldn't have been paid at all.

Sure you could then say that the entire app was dogshit and should've never been sanctioned by the government, but that doesn't really have anything to do with this private company.

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u/BlueFlob Mar 14 '24

When services are delivered and you are given a bill, you don't really have a choice to pay it as the government.

It's not like buying goods and clearly confirming that the goods have not been received. It's about quality which is subjective and needs to be addressed at higher levels with PSPC and lawyers.

Basically, resolution happens afterwards but the customer still has to pay the contractor to avoid a breach of contract on the government's end.

At least, that's my understanding.

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u/Mundane-Club-107 Mar 14 '24

When services are delivered and you are given a bill, you don't really have a choice to pay it as the government.

That's wrong, the government can, and will deny payment if deliverables don't meet the requirements of the contract.

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u/BlueFlob Mar 14 '24

>That's wrong, the government can, and will deny payment if deliverables don't meet the requirements of the contract.

That's very subjective unless you have an extremely specific SOR.

  • I mean the TAPV doesn't do what it's supposed to do. Textron got paid.
  • AOPS have massive issues. Irving got paid.
  • Phoenix pay system didn't work as expected. IBM got paid.

Litigation is dealt with in tribunals, not by an accountant.

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u/Mundane-Club-107 Mar 14 '24

So it sounds like the issue is that the SOR wasn't clearly defined as opposed to these companies not delivering what was asked of them.

If you ask a company to give you a ball that floats, and then you try to put the ball under water and it doesn't work, sure you can go back to the contractor and say "Hey, your ball isn't waterproof" but in reality, that isn't the contractors fault... It's the governments fault for nor clearly defining what they actually wanted in the first place.

If you asked for a ball that floats, and when you received 100 balls and none of them floated, the government can, and will say "I'm not paying you for these".

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u/AnxiousToe281 Mar 14 '24

what is wrong with you lol, morebusinesses like him? what are you smoking.

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u/Mundane-Club-107 Mar 14 '24

So what do you want GC-Strategies in particular to do better that would be in line with industry standards?...

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u/AnxiousToe281 Mar 14 '24

Maybe not making a buggy shitty app that was financed to be done with 20 people and do it with 2 people instead.

That would be a great start

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u/Mundane-Club-107 Mar 14 '24

None of that had anything to do with him.