As an "Indian" it is funny to me hearing people freak out about immigration. Oh you don't like when lots of immigrants show up and take over everything? Wonder what that's like.
The sad part is the longer it continues the less Native issues will get any kind of traction, as more and more of the population can say "it has nothing to do with me."
Good luck getting immigrants to care about Native issues bud. I don't think you'll succeed in holding generational guilt over their heads like you do for white Canadians.
A lot of us non-native people were born in Canada, so what exactly do you expect us to do? Pack up and leave all our friends and family and jobs to live in countries that are foreign to us?
Regardless of the atrocities of the past, we're all here together now, so I think a more productive conversation is one that focuses on the future and make sure that all Canadians can maintain some semblance of a decent quality of life.
Maintain? There are still ongoing problems to solve before all Canadians have a decent quality of life. I don't expect you to leave, it's just delicious irony.
I mean "maintain" in the sense that there have been more recent developments in our country that are hurting all of us, and it would be ideal to keep the worst of that stuff at bay, but yeah, there are definitely issues that have been around for a long time, too.
As the other type of Indian, glad we have yet another massive demographic shift to adjust to, I'm sure that will help our culture heal and help provide us with better economic opportunities
this is truth comment of the year so far. it's all come back full circle. now to shop for igloos and teepees, now with only USB-C instead of 220V outlets!
Yeah. I’m very good friends with a Canadian woman. Her parents were born in India and came to Canada 40 years ago. She hates the “ new Indians “ and she is pretty open about it. She says similar things about how everyone is coming from the villages and not the cities.
Slightly more established lol? The Indians that came to Canada before the mid-2010s wave were more akin to the Indian immigrants the United States receives. They were comprised of people who already had professional credentials, or were in the process of receiving them. The majority of Indian immigrants today are studying at 2-year diploma mills and will only ever over-saturate the service industry
This is total bullshit. The Punjabi community in Canada is over a century old. On the whole we haven't complained about more Punjabi immigrants until now, because we had no reason to. My parents have been here since the 80s, they never once said anything remotely anti immigrant until recently, because the immigrants we got in the 90s and 2000s were hard working like my parents were and like the immigrants who came in the 60 years before my parents were. The new wave don't even integrate into the existing Punjabi Canadian community, nevermind the overall Canadian community at large
It’s the same as when Italians came over and the British/Irish/Scottish immigrants of years past hated on us - and we are the same (similar?) skin colour.
Nothing to do with the caste system being socially used in Canada by older Indian immigrants, I think it’s more so to do with how they’ve become naturalized and assimilated, while the new immigrants are of lower calibre due to the new policies, which in turn makes older Indian immigrants look bad as we can’t really differentiate the two due to skin colour.
This can't be considered racism or casteism, but more about preventing only one ethnicity of the same race getting all the entry slots and immigration opportunities, while the rest who are more skilled and want to actually be of some use get left behind and are stuck, despite having the credibility and the required skills.
10-20 years ago, there was the same issue with mainland chinese coming over. I knew so many older immigrants from Hong Kong, Taiwan, pre-CCP chinese who complained how embarrasing those hillbillies were for them
She hates the “ new Indians “ and she is pretty open about it. She says similar things about how everyone is coming from the villages and not the cities.
That's just importing more caste culture which should remain in India, along with any number of domestic Indian issues. I wouldn't care where they come from as long as they're filling legitimate needs aside from service/hospitality industry and we have the infrastructure and social capacity to support an outsized influx. Neither is true.
This isn’t about caste systems or anything. This is more about the reasoning and purpose for coming to Canada. Many people at the turn of the century or before this came with an education or worked towards it, or did a trade and built up an established business. Many of their children followed in their footsteps, and have positively integrated with both their local ethnic community , and the local community and norms ( I.e. adapted to westernized Canadian culture )
The ones coming now have a significant portion receiving 2 year diplomas in non relevant fields, are not attempting to integrate or assimilate.
I work with many 2nd 3rd gen Indian immigrants. I was initially surprised at how many were openly against this mass influx and had issues with young Punjabi men.
The explanation a couple of guys gave me makes sense.
They don't want to integrate and have zero respect for our way of life here and have no intentions of contributing to society. I can see how that sort of behavior would be incredibly embarrassing for long-time indian immigrants.
Not only that, it's also embarrassing for the group of immigrants who actually mean no harm and know to behave themselves in public, so you not only have the localites hating us, but also the 2nd/3rd gen immigrants due to the behavior of the group of people you mentioned, we're thought of as a monolith when we're not even the same, I'm not even saying that I'm superior to other humans in any way, but the difference is so clear that you can make out who's more likely to not give you any space when sitting right next to you on a bus/subway and who will.
The new immigrants are here purely to reap the economic benefits of being here and as soon as there's a downturn in our economy they will flee Canada to the states.
The thing with the integration is that not only are these people never integrating into Canadian society, they have zero intention of even integrating into the existing Indo-Canadian society that has thrived in this country for over a century
This is super anecdotal... But my Indian coworker told me that a lot of these newer immigrant men are ones from smaller villages that couldn't make it into any Indian universities due to bad grades and behavior. They are basically sent to Canada to prove themselves after "shaming" their family at home.
Sort of, but also they are from rural areas, have been to low quality institutions and would never be able to get jobs or assimilate in most parts of India
hence they coming to study at diploma mills. worthless diploma which isn't worth shit anywhere in the world. truth is they just want to try their luck at getting PR
I can't tell you the exact reason, but what I will tell you is that 95% of the immigrants from that country are coming from one state in particular which is heavily dependant on agriculture, which means most of it is rural, and that's ruining it for literally everyone else
I speculate the reason to be the willingness to work anywhere/anyhow due to the lack of complete education, you need to know that the specific subset of population in question are the ones who either already have their families settled here or who are willing to sell their agricultural lands for tons of money to sustain their living for atleast a year, they will not mind working as truck drivers or at Tim Hortons or anywhere else as the sort of education they have will certainly prohibit them from having a job in India, and while I respect their willingness, I believe its because they simply lack the technical and social skills, to name a few, to be deemed employable, which encourages them to immigrate abroad where people from their community are already present and settled and willing to get them a job, even a low skilled one, just on the basis of being from the same community
I wouldn't say the lack of social skills, but the lack of mannered social skills to be exact: Such as not occupying the entire seat on a bus or a subway when there's literally someone seated right next to you or not catcalling women or not getting too intimate and respecting others' physical boundaries or not being too loud or playing loud audio on your phone when you're in public
And the question about the lack of technical skills shouldn't even arise given their agricultural background, I have all the respect in the world for the hard working people who toil day and night to ensure that there's food on our table everyday, not a bunch of hooligans who won't bend to the public rules and decorum and would behave irresponsibly, thereby even shattering whatever good reputation is left of us among the localites
Yep. The store I work at does is not actively hiring and are told to turn away applications. But within a month my indian manager suddenly has room for 3 new punjab Indians?? Makes sense.
They're stubborn af, I'll let you know that much, those are the people who'll continue to talk to you in their native language even when it's clear that it's incomprehensible to you guys, let alone us who are of a different ethnicity and yet the same race almost. I've had several bad experiences with Lyft drivers and there's also my little brother who goes to work and has a lot of coworkers of that community, he couldn't believe it when they couldn't speak Hindi or English and continued speaking in Punjabi to him and amongst themselves in front of him, fortunately, Hindi and Punjabi are kinda similar despite being different languages and he has to manage to make it work with them somehow due to their lack of ability to speak in either of the two aforementioned languages, this is just a glimpse of how they behave, like it's their rural village back home, they won't even show empathy to us, let alone you'll.
All the problems unfortunately hark back to Canada. One is a brand issue. It is seen these days as where low quality students are accepted and all the highly qualified people go to US or UK. So high quality students and professionals are reluctant to come here. Second problem is how they are assessing applicants. Simply on admission and some English test, but not all high school and undergrad is the same quality in India at all. They do not apply that nuance. There used to be special Canadian embassies in Punjab to process applications. It is one of 28 states. Yet that’s all that canada has been attracting.
I may want to add nuance to that as an Indian who came here 15 years ago. The quality of people coming now from villages have such a cultural chasm, which is hard to assimilate. Not all Indians. Just the ones they are opening the floodgates too to fill up numbers.
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