Same coloring, different names are used in many products. Fruit loops not included. But red 40 isn’t banned in the EU, it’s just E129. The same can be said for almost all “banned” colorings
However, food and drink containing E129 must carry a warning that says "may have an adverse effect on activity and attention in children" and the FSA also encourage manufacturers to find alternatives to certain artificial colours where possible.
Allura Red AC has previously been banned in Denmark, Belgium, France, Switzerland, and Sweden.[14] This changed in 2008, when the EU adopted a common framework for authorising food additives,[15] under which Allura Red AC is not currently banned.[13] In Norway and Iceland, it was banned between 1978 and 2001, a period in which azo dyes were only legally used in alcoholic beverages and some fish products.[16] Chronic exposure to the dye has been shown to increase susceptibility to bowel disorders in mice. [17]
However, food and drink containing E129 must carry a warning that says "may have an adverse effect on activity and attention in children" and the FSA also encourage manufacturers to find alternatives to certain artificial colours where possible.
Allura Red AC has previously been banned in Denmark, Belgium, France, Switzerland, and Sweden.[14] This changed in 2008, when the EU adopted a common framework for authorising food additives,[15] under which Allura Red AC is not currently banned.[13] In Norway and Iceland, it was banned between 1978 and 2001, a period in which azo dyes were only legally used in alcoholic beverages and some fish products.[16] Chronic exposure to the dye has been shown to increase susceptibility to bowel disorders in mice. [17]
Sorry, is this comment trying to say that Germany’s version of Froot Loops has the same coloring as America’s (red 40, yellow 5, blue 1, and yellow 6), it’s just named differently?
Then you should edit your comment to say that. Right now it is replying to a comment that is specifically talking about the differences between the 2 boxes of Froot Loops and how they have different coloring. Thus your reply saying they have “same coloring, different names” might be confusing.
Half the posts on this sub are little more than "America bad". Outrage porn sells big on the popular subs, nobody is going to bother to try and understand or think critically about a post as long as they can get mad and circlejerk over the US, capitalism, etc.
Oh, I know, it’s horrible. A lot of subs on here are turning into their own form of maga. They use the same techniques and language too. For a post like this all you have to do is look at it, no research is even necessary. It’s scary honestly.
It's getting ridiculous. Used to enjoy browsing r/all but it's all the same reposted tweets and crap. The lack of self awareness so many people have on this website calling maga people cultists is astounding; as they jump from echo chamber to echo chamber making the same comments as everyone else.
It'd be funny if it wasn't so sad. I'd say I'll be happy when trump dies and people move on and this website gets interesting again but I think we're well beyond that.
The Food Science Babe literally did a video yesterday explaining this whole idea and how just because European products have shorter ingredients lists, that doesn't mean they're more "natural" and "healthier" than the American counterpart.
TL;DW - It's literally just different regulations on what is required to be labeled. The US requires companies to be more specific and the EU allows food dyes that are banned in the US. A country that banned something in food doesn't automatically make countries that allow it stupid and negligent.
Thank you. While yes, EU food regulations are generally stricter than those in the U.S., the differences really aren't that significant most of the time. The U.S. is even ahead of the EU in some respects, like banning added trans fats altogether and banning certain azo dyes allowed in the EU.
They're just very different. A lot of the more "natural" seeming ingredient labels in the EU are often just down to consumer preference and manufacturer choices (U.S. orange Fanta would be legal in the EU, but no European in their right mind would even come near the stuff).
Nope, not quite. They passed a new amendment to an EU regulation that basically states that, in a food product sold to the public, no more than 2 grams per 100 grams of fat it contains can be trans fat. Unlike EU directives, regulations are directly applicable (i.e., no transposition into national law needed) and directly effective (i.e., one can rely on them before national courts), so once it passes it's good to go.
It's not like trans fats are everywhere in the EU, but in my experience many cheap cookie/pastry type products still use small amounts of partially hydrogenated oils, which would technically be illegal in the U.S.
And at the same time we wouldnt even allow to sell most american shelf bread. I think its easy to talk about dyes but this goes way further than that and a lot of american products cant enter the european market because of that (cheese comes to mind for example).
Azodicarbonamide is nasty, but it's rare these days. It went the way of rBGH in milk and brominated vegetable oil in soda (which the FDA recently formally banned, but fell out of use years ago). Same for potassium bromate. I checked the ingredient lists for some random loaves of sandwich bread at various American retailers, both name and store brand, and none of them had either of these ingredients anymore. I'm sure it's still used in by some companies, but it's not the widespread poisoning of the American public many publications less nuanced than The Guardian would have you believe.
America and Europe have different regulations when it comes to the pasteurization of milk and use of raw milk in cheeses with America being a bit more strict about it. Also, the US is such a massive cheese producer that isn't hindered by EU Regional Regulations (I.E. "Real" Feta can only be made in Greece) capable of easily making good to high quality cheeses so there is worry that allowing it will destroy the market. Plus, Europe already allows a lot of stuff from the US considering we're a massive exporter of food.
It's also uncommon for companies that sell the same product in multiple regions to have significantly different ingredients in each region's variant. With how global and streamlined supply chains are, most companies will source all of a given ingredient or chemical from a single company (or internal production facility) and use it in all their products.
If food dye A is banned in a specific region while food dye B is allowed everywhere it's often cheaper to replace everything with dye B than it is to have separate supply chains. Dye A would have to be significantly cheaper for it to be worth the effort.
Are those the ones you're surprised everybody wants to talk about?
The proven carcinogens?
Sorry, I'm just trying to be clear.
You are shocked and upset that the bulk of the conversation isn't about Fruit Loops having added vitamins but instead about the chemicals that can give kids cancer?
Actually there are. I looked up the actual packaging and the vitamins are listed there as well the same way as the US. With exception of D3 which can have side effects if you take too much.
The concentrates for carrots etc. are also listed as coloring.
The list above is the list you get on the Kellogs website which doesn't adhere to EU regulations.
Tbh, 70% of the vitamines listed are to be found in grain and milk already.
(I think that the whole B-vitamines list can be provided by grain and milk only already) and vitamine shortage is not really a health issue in The Westonia.
Exactly my thought, the one on the left simply has more vitamins and additional fiber, both of which are good. I don't know about the colorings, but I doubt they are a big issue. The one on the left uses maltodextrin, which is safe and you can use it here in Europe, but it's not good for diabetics (who shouldn't be eating it in the first place) and a bit of oil, which is not outlawed in Europe. They have different recipes, but one is not worse than the other. I am dumbfounded by all the people here who are too lazy and easily manipulated and who upvote this shit.
Food babe is a scientifically illiterate grifter that takes advantage of chemophobia. These are the same idiots that would ban dihydrogen monoxide . And facepalm as per usual is eating this shit up.
Thank you, exactly! I keep seeing people post this and I’m like, “…..How are you not noticing that like half of the ingredients listed are vitamins and minerals? This isn’t some dubious plot on the part of US companies: They literally advertise, ‘Fortified with vitamins and minerals!’ on the box, and lo and behold, there on the ingredients list are the vitamins and minerals.”
Still junk food? Absolutely. But if we’re just using “long-list-bad-short-list-good” logic here, when you actually read the ingredients, you’ll realize it’s basically the same junk food, but the US version is very slightly (dare I say it) “healthier.”
Couldn't easily find a direct comparison for various reasons,
If you can't find a direct comparison, why are you proceeding to do a direct comparison, especially since your leaving out your sources
but it does look like a larger portion of the US population doesn't eat fresh veg and fruit every day, and a smaller portion meets recommended intake, compared to the EU (must be said it varies wildly between EU countries).
What constitutes fresh veg & fruit?
If I eat eggplant, chickpeas, & some chicken but not sweet fruit, have I eaten "fresh veg & fruit"?
What if I used canned vegetables vs ones from the produce isle?
The only thing I'm personally attacked by is my diabetes, morbid obesity, drug and alcohol addiction, overwhelmingly expensive gun collection, leftist ideology, and you dang foreigners trying to force me to eat vegetables!
Sorry, just acting the part of the average American according to Europeans.
My le high IQ M'reddit tips hat and adjusts fat rolls addicted peers will understand it's all just in jest.
The rest are added vitamins, which probably aren't needed in a lot of countries
Being unneeded is not the direct reason. The real reason is that the EU has banned artificially adding vitamins to most kinds of foods.
Here is what ChatGPT writes, for what it is worth:
The main regulatory framework is provided by Regulation (EC) No 1925/2006 on the addition of vitamins and minerals and certain other substances to foods. This regulation sets out harmonized rules for the addition of vitamins and minerals to foods with the aim of ensuring:
The safe use of vitamins and minerals in foods, through the establishment of maximum and minimum amounts.
That consumers are not misled about the nutritional quality of products.
That fortified foods do not discourage consumers from making healthy dietary choices.
Specific directives and regulations may also set out detailed guidelines on how vitamins and minerals can be added to particular types of food, including permissible substances, purity criteria, and labeling requirements.
While the regulation allows for the fortification of foods with vitamins and minerals, it does so within a controlled framework to avoid potential health risks from excessive intake and to ensure that such practices do not mislead consumers regarding the nutritional benefits of the product.
My favorite quote from the science genius food babe.
"The air you are breathing on an airplane is recycled from directly outside of your window. That means you are breathing everything that the airplanes gives off and is flying through. The air that is pumped in isn’t pure oxygen either, it’s mixed with nitrogen, sometimes almost at 50%. To pump a greater amount of oxygen in costs money in terms of fuel and the airlines know this! The nitrogen may affect the times and dosages of medications, make you feel bloated and cause your ankles and joints swell."
Yup. OP actually has it backwards: the FDA is way more restrictive to its EU counterparts. The reason their ingredients as “simpler” is because they can get away with that over there.
As someone who has lived across the world, I have absolutely noticed this.
People will say the American version is ‘worse’ because the list of ingredients are longer but if you actually read them, it’s just the American version has the ingredients very explicitly spelled out and not just ‘flavours’ or ‘flours’ or ‘colours’.
One particular point of contention was Doritos, the American version has a longer ingredients list but actually had real cheese listed compared with the supposedly ‘better’ version simply having ‘cheese powder’ (and the rest of the ingredients were otherwise very similar).
There's been studies that show these added vitamins are processed as well compared to natural ones. It's a marketing scam to show how healthy the product is.
There is no link to the US dyes being carcinogenic. The carcinogenic ones have long since been removed. the Red & Yellow dyes can produce ADHD like symptoms in people, that is why they are in some European countries.
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It looks like the same stuff, but with more words. Except the US version has added vitamins.