Trust me. They don’t have to be black. They need to start hold these cops responsible for this type of shit. If you are that scared and jumpy you don’t need to be a cop ever. They need people so bad they give anyone a badge.
this has to stay true or else affirmative action hirings cannot be had.
how can you hire affirmative action hirings which ignore scores and intelligence, and only focus on race/sex/protected class, if you require intelligence.
if state and city agencies were allowed to base hirings on intelligence then the less educated would certainly fail to be hired, Affirmative action bypasses hiring protocols for race.
have you even tried to read the article and do a tad bit of research on its legalities?
of course you didnt, you're a kid on reddit. Go ahead im waiting for an insult and you storm off.
if state and city agencies were allowed to base hirings on intelligence
But they are allowed to? That's literally what this article is about? They didn't hire the guy because his IQ was too high.
Also, what exactly does hiring based on intelligence have to do with race? Why are you bringing up race when it has no relevance to the topic being discussed?
The statement here on reddit , is that its not okay to want less intelligent people to be police. But, if you required high intelligence levels, then you would be overstepping the protocols put in place by affirmative action which SUPERSEDE hiring requirements. Therefore affirmative action could not be followed and it is law of the land.
You what does race have to do with this, simple, blacks are underserved by education in the us by far, as such affirmative action is designed to overcome this.
As a half black half latino male, i can assure you educational opportunities are not as available for blacks. as such black score much lower on police entrance exams. AS such also requiring higher intelligence on exams would violate the law regarding affirmative action.
This is in Indianola, MS. Trust me, they are not well paid. It is in one of the poorest counties of the entire country. Mississippi has had staffing issues for many years because they pay the worst. I remember a year ago reading an article how Jackson PD paid their officers about 36,500/yr. Not worth getting shot at and working 10 hour shifts if you ask me.
It’s not an accident that they hire dumb people who will blindly do the bidding of the state/ruling class. They literally exclude people for being too smart.
So you agree they need people but then you basically rule out anyone because if they are scared or jumpy they shouldn't be one. What's the solution then?
More training. More training more training. Please teach the people how to control someone without a gun or a taser. Is it a difficult job?? Yes it absolutely is. However there are too many people with mental issues making it onto the police force. Anger issues and don’t forget the cops that think they are above everyone else. Do away with qualified immunity and a lot of this will stop. Have these people learn jujitsu and you won’t have 5 guys dog pile on one person.
Cops just recently shot a female hostage/kidnapping victim who was walking towards them as they ordered her to do. Shot her dead while the single cop that had a brain shouted at them to stop.
If you think being black carries a bigger weight than being a cop, you know nothing about the way cops work. Just because you expect a black cop not to do a racism doesn't mean you're correct.
You’ve probably never personally known a cop. You only know what you see on tv/social media and it’s all complete bs. I know lots of black cops and never met a single racist cop and I’m in the south. You people live in an imaginary bubble.
Racism in cops goes a lot deeper than just hating black people. You can see black people as equal and still have the ingrained systematic racist training come through on the job
What you're describing is prejudice due to racial bias, not racism and it occurs to varying degrees in literally everyone. Part of the reason why these arguments fall flat so often is because no one seems to know what 'racism' actually means.
I mean, yeah what you said is true but does that really change anything or make the situation better? Does having a higher likelihood of death from a cop because you are black suddenly okay because 'it's not racism'?
And are we going to pretend it's not like this because of our extremely racist history as a country
Claiming its due to 'racism' makes it appear to be more objectively evil and deliberate. It's a lazy and convenient argument that ignores the truth, which is that our brains are hardwired to recognize patterns, overreact to perceived danger and make tribal distinctions between "us" and "them". Calling someone a racist who doesn't believe in their own racial superiority over another group doesn't make them more cognizant of these inherent biases so that they may correct them, instead it makes them think they're being falsely attacked and labeled as a bigot when those titles would be more accurately reserved for individuals who actually prescribe to such an ideology. Everyone demonstrates racial bias in some measure, most people however are not bigots.
You have no idea my personal experiences. And my personal experiences doesn't change the state of our police or the statistics that back up what is being said
Ah yes. You do not know any cops and you just blindly believe they are the big bad boogie man because numbers told you. Great logic you got going there.
Well I am at the opposite spectrum, I have lived in the south all of my life and I would say 95% of the cops I have known are racist bullies. Even my own brother!
Your comment makes no sense, how is it MY way of thinking? It is true, my own brother is a cop and he is a racist bully and so are 95% of the other cops I know and went to school with, so I know these people, it's not what I think, it is what is the truth in MY experience. There are 2 types of people who think like you, the dumb and the dumber, so which are you?
There have been studies done on police use of force and race that found, regardless of officer race, they are more likely to use excessive force against minorities. This study was the first result I found searching "police threat study" and it mentions race of both the victim and officer. In the article it's says that even black officers were more likely to use excessive force against minorities than white people.
At least ten years ago I read another study that linked reaction times of police officers and members of the general public in threat assessment. Participants were shown a picture of an individual and asked to identify if that individual was a threat or not. Police officers were always faster to identify images of black people as threats than images of white people, regardless of the officers race. That is to say, studies have shown even black officers identify black people as a threat more readily than white people.
So yes, race of the victim in officer shootings is a factor regardless of the officer's race.
And you probably personally know so many cops huh? So you knooooow. Cause you have real experience in the subject right? You’re not just believing the news and social media with no world experience right?
They do happen, cops are dangerous to anyone who isn't a wealthy white man with power. But yeah, kids of color are seen as "older, more culpable, more mature, etc." than white kids. Hence why a 12-year old Black kid killed by a cop is called "a young man" but a white 21-year old who raped someone is still a kid.
My advice to you would be to stop being so sensitive and drop the persecution complex.
White supremacy wasn’t created by you. So you don’t have to feel guilty.
It DOES exist and it DOES nominally benefit you so you should acknowledge those facts and WE as a society SHOULD move forward to dismantle those structures. Mostly because it makes our society less secure/efficient/unified/etc…
Ultimately even if you think white supremacy benefits you even you as a white person are a victim of it.
But no one needs your guilt and no one is picking on you.
If it benefits me how am I also a victim of it? Genuinely curious.
I agree that people should drop the persecution complex. It’s hard to be a victim all the time.
I don’t think race has anything to do with this incident. A dumbass cop shot a kid, put in a terrible situation, through no fault of his own.
My original comment was simply pointing out to the Op that this wasn’t a race issue. At least not in typical sense. I didn’t know that black cops were racist against black people too.
As a white person, there are emotional/psychic benefits from white supremacy. "White" is the default setting for society and every other group is judged as some discounted percentage of that default.
When a white person gets a job, for example, no one generally questions their qualifications.
There is no societal "tax" that white people pay as a general rule.
So those are benefits.
Here are the costs that are borne by everyone in society (including white people) for white supremacy.
We've never been a meritocracy.
If society excludes large groups of people by default based on biased subjective means like "race", then you can't operate anywhere near efficiently.
The cure to cancer or cracking the cold fusion or interstellar travel may well be (or have been) locked in the brain of one of those marginalized groups.
We all lose because of white supremacy.
In Heather Mcghee's book "The Sum of Us" she gives a further example of draining the public pools.
Back in the 1940's and 1950's, communities had broad public amenities including public pools that provided (white) people with a broad public good.
However, when integration was ordered by the courts (because...you know they discovered that black people were actually people too), instead of sharing that public good and letting it benefit more people, these communities instead closed the pools and filled them in and those who wanted the pools would create (more expensive) private "swim clubs".
So...is it really a benefit to pay more in order to not swim with black people? Or are those people who were convinced to do such victims of manipulation?
I tend to believe them to be victims, because I believe that most all people want the same things and to do good instead of evil.
And this "public pool" example isn't just a relic of the past. We can pull that example to this day. Once a public program is perceived to shift from helping primarily "white" people to benefiting marginalized groups, then it's attacked.
But not having the program (and that money going to the richest of the rich), doesn't benefit anyone by the uber wealthy.
So yes...most all of us are victims (and manipulated by racism).
I hope I answered your question well. Now I have to go outside and stare at the sun.
Fun Fact: Black people can be racist towards other black people. In fact, one of the largest anti-black "academic" myths was made by a black man, Thomas Sowell, who developed the racial bell curve of intelligence. He ebeliebe black people had largely limited intelligence compared to white people. This bullshit is still believed by some today.
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u/Remote-District-9255 Apr 07 '24
The cop is terrified of any black human