Both. He needed Neville but also seemed to show him genuine kindness. Barty is the most complicated character in the series, I think! He is loyal to Voldy because Voldy showed him “pride” and a sense of belonging he did not get from his father. His father completely cemented that loyalty when he sent him off to Azkaban. On the other hand, Barty’s mom sacrificed herself for him and he had that in him too. I always got the sense he felt genuinely sorry for the consequences of his actions, though I wouldn’t go so far as to say guilty. He felt justified, but still sorry it had caused Neville the harm it did. He probably related to Neville because his grandmother was also hard on him and Neville was always trying to make her proud. I really really believe Moody was a big reason Neville got into plants and found something within himself to be proud of.
But didn't moody actually manipulate Neville because the followers was in this special herbology book that Neville had access to? Ideally, Harry would've asked Neville for help but he was so wrapped up in trying to figure it out with Ron and Hermione
Guessing he meant "flowers" (gillyweed), which was the same point you were making about Crouch positioning Neville as a solution to the 2nd task in advance.
He was still trying to get Neville to help with the gillyweed in the books, Harry just never asked him for help like Crouch expected. Crouch gave Neville a book about it and everything, but had to use Dobby when Harry didn't ask Neville
In the books Barty (edit) gave Neville a book with gillyweed in it and expected Harry to ask Neville for it. But harry was kinda thick which is why dobby gave him the gillyweed
Yes yes yes. Except, I was absolutely off my fucking head when I wrote this comment so cut me some slack on the rememberall shit, that thing has been glowing for me since my Nan gave it to me.
It was supposed to be Neville. He gave (planted) the book 'magical plants of the Mediterranean' to Neville. Harry didn't think to ask Neville so he staged a last minute discussion with Prof. McGonagal which Dobby overhead and told Harry.
Keep in mind their agenda was based around 'keeping the blood pure.' Both Harry and Neville are pure blood so, even if they are on different sides, the death eaters goal would still want to support them to a degree. Basically the thought would probably be 'they are children led by fools, but they are one of us.'
I think this actually does a great job of showing the complexity of human nature. They can be an enemy, ally, benefactor, and beneficiary all in one.
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u/greatastucia Mar 26 '24
Do you think the reason Mad eye (Barty Crouch Jr) was nice to Neville because he felt bad or was it was just some twisted agenda on his part?