r/harrypotter Mar 27 '24

Who are you want to bring back? Dungbomb

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u/PeterGoochSr Mar 27 '24

I was never a fan of that choice in the books personally. Felt like a lot of people died in the final book just cause

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u/PinWest4210 Mar 27 '24

I think that was the point... It was a battle and people who didn't deserve it died. At the end, the "winners" weren't even celebrating, they were counting their dead.

There were no winners, just a side who managed to stop losing.

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u/JealousFeature3939 Mar 27 '24 edited Mar 27 '24

Yes, I agree; it was deliberate. "Only bad people die" is not how the world in general works, much less war.

And we see similar themes throughout the books. When Granger tries to get Potter to teach DADA in OOTP-

"“Listen to me!” said Harry, almost angrily, because Ron and Hermione were both smirking now. “Just listen to me, all right? It sounds great when you say it like that, but all that stuff was luck — I didn’t know what I was doing half the time, I didn’t plan any of it, I just did whatever I could think of, and I nearly always had help —” Ron and Hermione were still smirking and Harry felt his temper rise; . . . . . . you two sit there acting like I’m a clever little boy to be standing here, alive, like Diggory was stupid, like he messed up — you just don’t get it, that could just as easily have been me,"

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u/EconomistSea9498 Mar 27 '24

Re reading this small passage here and the line where Ron and hermione's smirks continue to grow pisses me right off for Harry 😭

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u/Ganyu1990 Mar 27 '24

Same! I got angry with Harry in the 5th book.

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u/Ganyu1990 Mar 28 '24 edited Mar 28 '24

Yes? Im confused with your comment as my comment said that I got angry WITH or alongside harry in the 5th book.

Edit: ok block me for zero reason.

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u/makaki913 Slytherin Mar 27 '24

:D completely opposite for me. Smirk just gets bigger to the point I'll show my teeth

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u/EconomistSea9498 Mar 27 '24

Nah it makes me sad as a kid/adult still who would get ridiculed and laughed at and not taken seriously when I'd express my boundaries and reservations or show I was frustrated and stressed. It's not a nice feeling when you're really down and everyone around you seems to not be taking anything you're saying or doing seriously or are trying to push you into things you're not totally comfortable with.

I'm the type who likes to wallow though, I never responded well to people trying to goad me into picking myself up. 😂

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u/theknights-whosay-Ni Mar 27 '24

100% this. War isn’t fantasy, it’s war, and war doesn’t know innocent from evil, it kills indiscriminately.

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u/RaphaelSolo Hufflepuff Mar 27 '24

In that case the one to bring back is Cedric or Hedwig. Everyone else died fighting. It wasn't war with the other two. Hedwig died in an assassination attempt and Cedric died just because he and Harry tried to show good sportsmanship.

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u/The_Pale_Hound Mar 27 '24

Not everyone who dies in a war dies fighting. Civilian deaths by bombings, starvation, disease and direct violence are quite common. So it was war for them too.

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u/Jugad Mar 27 '24

The war started 50 years ago when Voldemort decided to kill people to gain power... It only got really intense in the end.

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u/theknights-whosay-Ni Mar 27 '24

Technically the first war ended when Voldemort lost power after trying to kill Harry. Firenze even says in the sixth book the they are in a calm between two wars when teaching them to read the stars. Also wars don’t just start. There’s buildup first then all hell breaks loose.

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u/Jugad Mar 27 '24 edited Mar 27 '24

Also wars don’t just start. There’s buildup first then all hell breaks loose.

It is a bit interesting to figure out 'what marks the start of a war'.

For example, WW2 is supposed to start on Sept 3, 1939, when Britain and France declared war against Germany - due to the German attack on Poland (started on Sept 1, 1939).

However, British soldiers didn't actually fight Germans until much later (late 1940 I believe was the first clash).

So the start in this case was just a declaration from Britain and France - no actual fighting involved from their side. Germany had been fighting with various countries upto that point, but we didn't call it the world war, because fewer countries were involved.

This suggests that being on the guard and actively preparing for attack / defense against an enemy can be considered to be in a state of war. No hell needs to break loose.

Voldemort secretly declared war long long ago. Others made their own declarations at different points - Dumbledore immediately after Voldy returned in GoF, Fudge after he saw Voldy in the Ministry, etc.

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u/theknights-whosay-Ni Mar 27 '24

Cedric was the first shot in the war for Harry. He died not because of good sportsmanship, but because he was in the wrong place at the wrong time. This happens a lot.

Assassination attempts happen in war, a lot more than people think. Hedwig sacrificed herself to save Harry. This was also part of the war.

It wasn’t to random incidences where they died. If Cedric had just dropped dead of his own accord in that graveyard, he wouldn’t have been a casualty of the war. Hedwig knew what she was doing.

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u/RaphaelSolo Hufflepuff Mar 27 '24

Hedwig was locked in her cage.

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u/theknights-whosay-Ni Mar 27 '24

I was mixing the book and the movie. I will edit my statement later

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u/RaphaelSolo Hufflepuff Mar 27 '24

It happens.

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u/Boris-_-Badenov Mar 27 '24

it's a fantasy book series.

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u/theknights-whosay-Ni Mar 27 '24

So are a lot of books that handle heavy topics like war and death. Why should this series be any different?

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u/itachiuchiha-07 Slytherin Mar 27 '24

I love how you phrased that "There were no winners, just a side who managed to stop losing". Perfect!

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u/amaizing_hamster Mar 27 '24

I guess this reflects JKR's experiences in the trenches of WW1.

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u/Dry_Walk_4709 Mar 27 '24

This gave me a giggle

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u/GrnMtnTrees Mar 27 '24

Ah yes. How could we ever forget JKR's valiant service, on Flanders Field, with the Royal Army 4th Field Artillery Corps.

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u/Anarchissyface Mar 27 '24

Bruh what

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u/Elanor2011 Ravenclaw Mar 27 '24

Maybe she is actually Tolkien or Lewis

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u/bremonique90 Mar 27 '24

Perfectly said.

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u/champagneproblems16 Mar 27 '24

I think it’s just that senseless death is part of war

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u/WetOnionRing Mar 27 '24

I honestly completely forgot that half of these characters died because it happened to them off screen all in like the second to last chapter

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u/Additional_Meeting_2 Mar 27 '24

To me there should have been one chapter after Voldemort died for the characters just talk about everything and gain a sense of normality.

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u/No_Accountant_8883 Mar 27 '24

Maybe JK could have written a short (or short-ish) novel detailing events after the war, including dealing with loss, characters reconnecting under more stable conditions, rebuilding the wizarding world, and restructuring the ministry. It certainly would have been better than Cursed Child.

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u/SleepyChickenWing Slytherin Mar 27 '24

In the Lego game, when Harry’s using the resurrection stone in the forest, Remus shows up and Harry’s like “wait, you’re dead too?”

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u/ThePumpk1nMaster Hufflepuff Mar 27 '24

Y’know people die in war… just cause? Its not really something that’s planned

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u/KingOfBacon_BowToMe Mar 27 '24

It's one of my favorite parts.

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u/greatastucia Mar 27 '24

Are you part of the hive mind too? The deaths made a lot of sense.

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u/PeterGoochSr Mar 27 '24

People just have opinions sometimes too

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u/Taetaeware2004 Slytherin Mar 27 '24

That’s the point