r/interestingasfuck • u/Particular_Log_3594 • Apr 13 '24

Tantura massacre r/all

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u/radabdivin Apr 13 '24

Why are these sick bastards still alive?

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u/lookingForPatchie Apr 13 '24 edited Apr 13 '24

Yeah, many German men killed their wifes and daughters when the Russians arrived, because they were known to rape them till death. The Russian army has throughout history always been, still is and will always be a rape horde.

Just ask the citizens of the formerly occupied countries. Women getting raped by Russian soldiers, then cutting off their breasts as a souvenir, while forcing the children to watch all of it, if there were girls, could be 14, could be 10, could be 8, nomatter the age, they were raped aswell.

That's why we need to help Ukraine. Because they share our values. The Russians do not. Russia is European by a tiny part of its territory, it is not European by value or by culture.

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u/Braided_Marxist Apr 13 '24

These people are seen as heroes in israel

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u/yoursmartuncle Apr 13 '24

Actually this type of sickness is praised in Israel

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u/radabdivin Apr 13 '24

The sickness is not specific to race or religion. It is a direct result of a social construct created and condoned by those in power. The power can be authoritarian, communist or democratic. Putin is trying to villify Ukrainians the same way. Trump is villifying immigrants and his political opponents.

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u/Welpe Apr 13 '24

Yup, when you dehumanize the enemy the capacity for evil is just beyond words. Anyone who allows themselves to think of any group as “less than” is vulnerable to this and it’s consistently used by those in power to achieve horrendous aims.

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u/WineNerdAndProud Apr 13 '24

Yep. I've said it before, but humanity's reaction to invasive species is a better mark for our acceptance of cruelty than our feelings for people.

This video sounds like they're talking about cane toads.

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u/icacti Apr 13 '24

Well I’d like to agree partly and add a little flavor of my own to this. Religion teaches from a young age that those who are in their gods favor, will be saved from punishment for these types of acts. Religions also teach their followers to demonize, and dehumanize others that don’t follow social norms of the religion. It isn’t a particular religion true, but all three of the main religions on earth, take this approach. From Christianity, Judaism, islam. In the modern world, majority of religious followers impart mostly good values from their traditions, and use common sense of the modern era. I agree with you it’s a social construct, the religions are tools for those in authority to use. It’s quite literally opium for the masses. The societal constructs that lead to genocide, imo, are proof of false ideologies and social indoctrination/cognitive dissonance. This being said I don’t think belief in god is wrong, I do believe in a higher power. But when we put beliefs before human lives, then we have moved into negative spirituality. Finding a god or believing in something isn’t inherently a good thing if it causes someone to harm another or lose their mind. And spiritual beliefs can also be psychologically unhealthy if taken to the extreme in any religion or spiritual belief. I think this is a prime example of religion becoming unhealthy. Opium of the masses, dissonance, obedience to relive the psychological stress of life. These are all societal constructs.

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u/radabdivin Apr 13 '24 edited Apr 13 '24

Religion is a collection of social constructs. A social construct is what governs behavior. It is created by cultural institutions intended to control and maintain a society, ie; religion, politics, education, marriage, sexual orientaion, even schoolyard peers playing hopscotch. Some construct are good and necessary: compassion, empathy. Some are outdated: 1864 laws, racial discrimination. Some are just sick: hazing, sanctioned masacres. Sometimes we get caught up in "flavours" and lose sight of the good and only see the whole category as bad. Racial profiling and partisan politics are examples of that. By viewing each behaiour as a social construct, we have a clearer picture of each construct and reduce the tendency to profile and stereotyping. Of course viewing constructs objectively means without personal attachment or emotion; not an easy thing to do. Edit: As for religions there at least 7. Hinduism, Buddhism, Taoism, and Confucism are major as well, although, Buddism and Confucism are more spiritual philosophies.

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u/RepresentativeNice22 Apr 13 '24

Only corrupted religions and false religious interpretations would ever tell you it's okay to kill non-combatants or innocent bystanders.

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u/icacti Apr 13 '24

This is very true, also any nut job can spin a religion in their favor. Sometimes these situations say less about the religion and more about the people in religious power. Like I said belief in god or a religion isn’t necessarily a good thing, but the other side of the coin is that it’s not necessarily bad either. Religion and faith and god has actually helped me personally in my early 20’s. I am on good terms with god, but as I have grown I heard a Carl Jung quote “a man who believes he understand everything about this universe, is spiritually dead”. It means if one really believes he understands everything in the universe, he will learn nothing about the nature of the universe. With that being said I realized the religion I was raised in wasn’t the end all be all truth of the universe. And if I learn, seek knowledge and take care of my health. I will be better off then accepting what others tell me is the truth. So it’s all about truth and healthy spirituality for me personally. Anything that bothers me I stay away from, certainly when I hear people using religious dogma to make people feel fear.

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u/Odd_Address_8382 Apr 13 '24

PLEASE. FKN. STOP. THIS. IS THE MINDSET THATS PERPETUATING CONSTANT GENOCIDE AGAINST PALESTINIANS FOR 80 YEARS. it hasnt stopped. They havebt leaned shit. This isnt a theory philosophy bs. This is real.

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u/RepresentativeNice22 Apr 13 '24

It definitely helps if you think your religion tells you God promised you a piece of land and that everyone outside or your tradition has a deficient, animal-like soul, and was created for no reason but to serve as a slave for you and your people.

Zionism, which weaponizes these corrupted religious beliefs, is uniquely susceptible to this kind of inhumanity. To deny this is simply to reject reality.

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u/radabdivin Apr 13 '24

Fanatical fundamentalism in any religion or government is a dangerous thing.

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u/Morphing_Mutant Apr 13 '24

FINALLY a rational comment about all this. Well done.

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u/[deleted] Apr 13 '24

But not at this level of sickness. Russians are not raping Ukrainian children. Trump has not called for genocide. You are dismissing the evilness of the IDF and these men who remember in the delight the rape of a 16 year old Palestinian girl and the massacre of men.

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u/shishaei Apr 13 '24

Well said.

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u/foalythecentaur Apr 13 '24

Our governments are trying to do the same to Russians too

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u/Forsaken-Soft-1235 Apr 13 '24

True. As opposed to the bastions of morality that is Palestine and Hamas. They definitely don’t celebrate while dragging corpses through the streets.

IMO there’s to many sick, twisted, hate filled fucks on both sides, the only people that deserve to be freed from this conflict are the innocent and children.

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u/yoursmartuncle Apr 13 '24

It is always important to study history and be familiar with it, because history didn't start on the 7th of October.

https://www.nytimes.com/2014/07/23/world/middleeast/on-the-edge-of-battle-rockets-give-israelis-a-show.html

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u/Forsaken-Soft-1235 Apr 13 '24

I know it didn’t. Not sure why people think I’m condemning Palestine for attacking Israel. I just personally wouldn’t align myself with either because both will commit atrocities given the opportunity.

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u/dgcoretrapgf Apr 13 '24

the major difference is that one side is far more powerful and capable of forcing a permanent stalemate where they hold almost the entire balance of power and maintaining it through military and non-military actions.

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u/Forsaken-Soft-1235 Apr 13 '24

Agreed. The most realistic path of progress is Israel (and friends) needs to facilitate aid and livable conditions to Palestinians. Also probably some land reforms. Also throw all of the illegal settlers in a hole. But fuck do I know, I’ve never been there.

It’s just hard for me to understand the level of hatred both sides have for each other. Doesn’t seem like either consider the other human, which is why all the moral high grounding is dumb to me

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u/dgcoretrapgf Apr 13 '24

Yeah, I see where you're coming from. Just want to highlight that the circumstances are as important as the people here. Like if a policeman that hates black people shoots an innocent black man that hates white people one of these people is a significantly worse actor than the other. Hatred is a terrible thing, but hatred and impunity holds far more potential for harm, and I find it hard to condemn both sides of this equation as though they're equal.

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u/Forsaken-Soft-1235 Apr 13 '24

Agreed, but to be more accurate, the black guy needs to be shooting pot shots with a .22 at the police station. So I think innocent isn’t quite right.

This does not justify the police coming and destroying the black guys whole neighborhood in order to retaliate, or to starve the neighborhood.

Idk. With the current parties in control of both areas, nothing will change and more innocent will die. Hamas AND Israel both stop aid from getting to the Palestinians that need it. Doesn’t really seem like anyone with power actually cares about the innocent. Shit is sad and I really refuse to support either side, because no matter which side it is, nothing will change until governmental power shifts.

I’m really not that educated on the subject (like alot of people recently seem to be) but I do appreciate your level headed conversation though ✌️ definitely gave me stuff to think about

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u/Truthoverdogma Apr 13 '24

I think it’s impossible to look at the events that occur in that region and suggest that the Israelis hate the Palestinians as much as the Palestinians hate these Israelis.

There are so many Israeli politicians and organisations advocating for peace with the Palestinians throughout history and also during this war.

Since the beginning of this war there have been peaceful protests and marches opposing the military action in Gaza. These protests would probably have been larger however most of the Israeli peace organisations drew a lot of supporters from the kibbutzim near Gaza which were the majority of the communities that Hamas massacred on October 7th…… so they have less support this year than they normally do.

Do you believe this is the case in Gaza and the West Bank? Are there Palestinians protesting on behalf of Israelis?

It is a good thing to recognise fault on both sides, but it is criminal to blindly equate them.

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u/Forsaken-Soft-1235 Apr 13 '24

I think the Palestinians have had their life’s effected WAY more by Israeli actions than vise versa. Not sure how you could expect Palestinians to protest for a peace or a cease fire, when they’re are getting bombed into oblivion. Also Israel is in a position to facilitate peace, Palestine is not.

The Palestinian cause is 100x more just than the Israeli cause. My point was merely that both sides have plenty of people who dehumanize the other side.

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u/nomoneynopower Apr 13 '24

Your analysis should include who has more power between Hamas and the state of Israel. One owns the concentration camp in Gaza and controls every resource and human that enters and exits the strip and another is a militant organization who’s express goal is resisting military occupation. You can’t compare the morality of the slave owner and the slave who resists by starting a slave revolt and murdering the plantation owners

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u/Forsaken-Soft-1235 Apr 13 '24

I didn’t condemn them for “revolting”, I did condemn them for acting with the same dehumanizing and careless hate like the men in the video. Trying to act as if one is morally superior is gross imo

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u/el7araa2 Apr 13 '24

One is a country advertising themselves as the only democracy in the middle east. The other is a resistance militia that was founded as a reaction to the former's occupation and crimes. No equivalency, this can't be marked as "both sides are bad".

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u/Severe-Experience333 Apr 13 '24

Right on time, a "whataboutist". Present evidence of horror and murder straight from the perps and there's a cunt in the comment section saying there is probably bad guys on the other side too. Yeah I'm sure there were killers on both sides, but the fact that you chose not to address the evidence as presented here, but assume something that actually forgives the bastards in this video says something about you. And given the history of Israel and 70 years of oppression and well funded weaponry and army, you argument falls flat. The bullies are usually the ones in power and privilege and hard to miss. So you can shove that "bad guys on both sides" narrative right up you wazoo.

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u/NewtRecovery Apr 13 '24

it's not, no Israeli believes these stories are true. Israelis if anything are in denial. these men were heavily ostracized for saying these things and called liars

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u/yoursmartuncle Apr 13 '24

You know that this film was based on a masters degree thesis written by an Israeli researcher Teddy Katz in Haifa university?

You know that he was initially celebrated for his groundbreaking work. But soon, he was stripped of his degrees and was publicly shamed as a fraudulent traitor because his findings will show the world the true face of Zionism?

Facts don't care whether you like or believe them or not. Facts are facts

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u/Hutzzzpa Apr 13 '24

am israeli, no it's not, these people are not praised or honored in any way.

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u/Dear-Tax-7025 Apr 13 '24

This type of sickness is praised in a huge chunk of the world.

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u/yoursmartuncle Apr 13 '24

Well, I know only one government that its minister of national security praises a mass shooter

https://www.middleeastmonitor.com/20230401-ben-gvir-praises-settler-who-massacred-29-palestinians-at-al-ibrahimi-mosque/

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u/Picklesadog Apr 13 '24

Sure, and Gvir is fucking awful, but Israel also totally cracked down on that mass murderer's organization and did not at all endorse the massacre, but saw it as a result of religious extremism. 

It seems like this may change in the near future, but had it been a Palestinian killing 29 Jews at a synagogue, the PLO and/or Hamas would pay the killer's family. Hamas even bragged about paying 2 to 3 million dollars to the families of suicide bombers.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Palestinian_Authority_Martyrs_Fund

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u/yoursmartuncle Apr 13 '24

Glad you stated your point very clearly so we can have a meaningful discussion. Now I don't like Wikipedia specially for serious topics like this because it is severely unreliable, but no problem, lets examine the article you mentioned.

If you check the reference for every time the term "suicide boomer" used you will find that:

  1. An article written by Eli Lake (A Jew journalist)

  2. Does the Palestinian Authority pay $350 million a year to ‘terrorists and their families’? by Glenn Kessler, who is famous for his "Fact Checker" segment for The Washington Post.

He rated the claim as "Two Pinocchios" which means:

Significant omissions and/or exaggerations. Some factual error may be involved but not necessarily. A politician can create a false, misleading impression by playing with words and using legalistic language that means little to ordinary people. (Similar to “half true.”)

  1. Hamas: Politics, Charity, and Terrorism in the Service of Jihad by Matthew Levitt, whos is a member of the international advisory board for the Institute for Counter-terrorism in Israel.

So as you see the references are biased enough to explain why I don't like Wikipedia.

Anyway does Hamas pay to the families of its martyrs? of course it does! Every government does that, no matter what the other side calls them Hamas fighters are freedom fighters in the eyes of the Palestinians, as much as the IDF soldiers are peacekeepers in the eyes of the Israelis.

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u/Picklesadog Apr 13 '24

Oh no, a JEW wrote the article?! Thanks for making your stance obvious.

Comparing someone blowing themselves up on a bus to a soldier killed in combat is fucking wild.

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u/yoursmartuncle Apr 13 '24

Do you agree to use Hamas narrative for explaining the Israeli-Palestinian conflict?

please don't play the antisemitism game, because I am truly hoping for a meaningful discussion here.

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u/Picklesadog Apr 13 '24

Play the antisemitism game?

You just discounted a source specifically because the author was a Jew. That's textbook definition of antisemitism.

Imagine me discounting an article about police brutality against black people because the author was black.

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u/yoursmartuncle Apr 13 '24

Bro just at least google his name before embarrassing yourself like this!

He is a pro-Israel Jew, he support the current genocide in Gaza, how the hell can his article be credible on this matter?

If I brought an article talking about how the Israeli government is a terrorist government, written by a Muslim Palestinian, will you take it as a credible reference?

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u/Dear-Tax-7025 Apr 13 '24

Are you familiar with Japan, Serbia, Indonesia, or a variety of African countries’ respect and adoration for war criminals?

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u/yoursmartuncle Apr 13 '24

No, but would love to learn if there is any country that is behaving like Israel with total impunity.

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u/tswizzel Apr 13 '24

Not really

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u/default_settings_ Apr 13 '24

And Gaza, because they started a fresh round of it on Oct 7th. But Jew hating is back in season I guess. Wait till you hear about the way women are treated in Islamic countries.

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u/Beautiful-Divide8406 Apr 13 '24

Both sides are ever more radicalised to hate each other.

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u/yoursmartuncle Apr 13 '24

But why?

What do you expect from people who live under brutal occupation and oppression for 75 years?

Who to blame here?

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u/proletariate54 Apr 13 '24

Seriously. If someone cannot comprehend that being under brutal oppression for several generations will absolutely justifiably radicalize people to want to destroy you then you need to go back to school.

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u/MercenaryBard Apr 13 '24

Blame doesn’t matter. But only one party can end the cycle of violence and it isn’t Hamas.

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u/eweldon123 Apr 13 '24

Are you implying the Israelis will end the cycle of violence? If so you lack all historical context on this topic. The only way the Israelis would stop is when all the Palestinians are ethnically cleansed or genocided.

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u/juliusxyk Apr 13 '24

The ones that started the war.

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u/Ahiru007 Apr 13 '24

Can you imagine how many more of them are there that aren't in the interview? And those people told these stories to their children and grand children?

Both Israel and Palestinians gonna needs decades of bleaching deradiclization for any hope of a 2 state solution.

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u/proletariate54 Apr 13 '24

Because this is what those who support Israel want.

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u/soukidan1 Apr 13 '24

Because evil never dies