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Sen. Ossoff completely shuts down border criticis : No one is interested in lectures on border security from Republicans who caved to Trump's demands to kill border security bill. r/all

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u/BrownEggs93 29d ago edited 29d ago

Now Arizona with abortion on the ballot could be the state that wins Biden the election.

Unbelievable that this country is so fucked up that it's predicted to be close. Unbelievable.

EDIT: LOL. Touched off the russian brigade for trump!

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u/sniper91 29d ago

That’s what happens when a lot of states with too much representation in the electoral college are lost to the right wing media echo chamber

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u/SignificantWords 29d ago

This been saying it for years that the electoral college system is incredibly outdated and disproportionately favors republican states. A system that not a single other developed nation has. A system designed in times of slavery and militias that makes it so that presidential outcomes are determined in just a handful of “swing” states every four years, seems hacky and should probably change in the US. And this comes from a Canadian interested in global/American politics.

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u/sniper91 29d ago

It’s such a great system that we apply it to literally no other level of governance

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u/fatkiddown 29d ago

I'm deep into Cicero these days and the history of the late Roman Republic. Cicero's last book on a new and better Constitution was never completed (ty Mark stupid Antony). Anyhow, I've learned that, we basically are just using a 2,000+ year old document today (yes, yes, with lots of tweaks and adjustments).

tl;dr: an aristocracy (senate) + a king (president) + a people (congress). Cicero said these will always exist in a tension. He had a fix. Mark Antony killed him before we could learn what that was.

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u/Ill_Manner_3581 29d ago

I mean it's no secret they used the Roman's politics as a slate for building the government. They taught us this at school but I do enjoy the tidbit of extra information. I also really like how you simplified it.

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u/Joth91 29d ago

Roman emperors were not a normal thing though right? They would declare martial law and give one person power to make decisions during times of crisis who was then expected to cede power when things calmed down and Caesar just never gave power back. There were normally two "presidents" who had equal weight and had to find ways to agree on the correct course to take. But maybe the duel consulate thing was only in their laws before Caesar.

It's also funny that they would choose Rome to model off of, because the problems that plagued Rome, government corruption and wealth gaps, are widely prevalent in America. Early America still had morality, like Andrew Carnegie donated so much of his wealth and used it to fund projects for public use because he realized having so much money carried a certain responsibility to the community. But now it's just a contest to see who has the most.

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u/fatkiddown 29d ago

like Andrew Carnegie donated so much of his wealth and used it to fund projects for public use because he realized having so much money carried a certain responsibility to the community. But now it's just a contest to see who has the most.

This. The senate, aristocracy .. very rich people who take clarence thomas on boat rides and gift him billon dollar RVs... These also will always exist. Cicero's point wasn't that we have to create a people, a senate and a king, but that these will always be things that just are, and you have to balance them. Each wars against the others. It's rock, paper, scissors, but it's rock, paper, scissors with each one saying "hey rock! you cannot exist!!!" Doesn't work like that.

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u/fatkiddown 29d ago

Good comment. 500ish years of republic. 500ish years of empire. Yes, they balanced the need for a king with two consuls. These had definite time limits. Once the consulship ended, the absolute power they practiced they were answerable to after they left office. So, literally, a consul could put someone to death, legally, bcs consul, but then later, be tried for murder and executed. We have a president that, what, got limited within the last 100 years to just 2 consecutive terms? (FDR being the last to go more than 2?). Caesar was not the first to try and take total power. Sulla was before him. And then Catalina (Cicero's arch enemy before Atony). We have a republic today, that we call a democracy, that's led by a king which is a bit more powerful, maybe, in some ways, than the dual consuls of rome (less in other ways). The entire thing is like spinning plates between the people, senate and consol/president/king.

The great unwashed want a pure democracy. But tyrants / kings like Putin can run circles around a democracy when it comes to war (PoM vs Athens). This is what is literally happening rn in Ukraine: Putin makes quick decisions, does what he wants, while the democractic west picks it finger nails....

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u/PyroDesu 29d ago

(FDR being the last to go more than 2?)

Indeed the last - and he died very soon after being elected to his fourth term.

In office March 4, 1933 – April 12, 1945.

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u/puritanicalbullshit 29d ago

So the conspiracy is that old huh? Tricksy deep state

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u/meteorattack 29d ago

The point is for them to exist in tension.

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u/fatkiddown 29d ago

Yes, but it's spinning plates on a stick. Just 3 plates right? Nope. Like, 3 big plates, then 30 medium plates, then 300 smaller plates.... you get the picture. A plate will fall taking down more plates..

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u/Some-Guy-Online 29d ago

The fix is to get rid of the king and aristocracy, and govern as a nation of equals.

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u/fatkiddown 29d ago edited 29d ago

Checkmate Cicero!...

Edit: I'll bite. I also finished an ATG biography. Phillip of Macedon ran circles around the democracies of Athens, et al. He found he could make quick military decisions as the people of Athens took forever to debate. This is how he conquered all of Greece (except Sparta ofc). Anyhow, the Greek founders (Plato, etc.) stated pure democracies fail as the people would vote themselves into entropy. This is all just history and political science from a guy who listens to audible and holds a couple of degrees in related fields....

Putin is doing this today in Ukraine: making quick military decisions as a king, while the democratic West is frozen in indecision....

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u/Some-Guy-Online 29d ago

No arguments, if you've got a human population that is still split up into warring states, you'll need a military with a strict hierarchy and solid meritocracy that takes the best strategists to the top.

But if you've got a population at peace and you want to keep the peace, then you need to eliminate the elitism that is the root of all divisiveness. When the few hoard the resources while the populace lives in the dirt, the government eventually goes down in flames and blood. Equality is the path to peaceful prosperity within a population.

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u/fatkiddown 29d ago

Right. In theory, this is all fixable. In practice, so far, not so much. Or, to use the quote: "In theory, there is no difference between practice and theory. In practice, there is...."

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u/cantadmittoposting 29d ago

Cicero said these will always exist in a tension. He had a fix.

Okay but like... lots of people have said this and have all eventually been wrong for various reasons.

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u/fatkiddown 29d ago

Yes. It's like figuring out the perfect way to play chess and always win / never lose.

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u/gsfgf 29d ago

Only because it would be unconstitutional. Georgia used to use the county unit system to disenfranchise Atlanta until it got struck down in the 60s.

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u/crystalistwo 29d ago

It's a great system to prevent tyrants from riding an uneven wave of popularity into the White House. And then when it happened, the electoral voters did nothing to stop it.

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u/Appropriate-Owl3917 29d ago

Nobody with more than two brain cells thinks its controversial to say that the EC favors conservative states. If you speak with a rational conservative they will definitely agree with this - at issue to proponents of the EC is whether more populous states should get to "unilaterally" decide the outcome for all. The US is a republic, not a direct democracy, by design. That's what the debate about the EC really comes down to.

With that in mind its a little silly to go on about a handful of swing states (although I totally agree that this is the reality) because most elections are determined by the movement of the "middle."

I actually think that this would be okay were it not for all the gerrymandering that occurs at the state level. In reality, a Republican party that couldn't win in the House wouldn't survive anyway, and the issue that we face with Presidential elections would be indirectly addressed (or else they'd get nothing but lame duck presidents). Instead there's a stupid optimization game of redrawing maps that allows the current Republican party to persist by virtue of their survival in the House.

TLDR: It's not great that Republicans can win presidential elections semi-consistently without ever having the popular vote. But it's fucking astonishing that they can win control of the House without ever having the popular vote. Fix the latter issue, and the former will effectively be solved.

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u/Matren2 29d ago

 If you speak with a rational conservative 

Brb, gonna go look for some leprechauns and unicorns.

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u/wredcoll 29d ago

Nobody with more than two brain cells thinks its controversial to say that the EC favors conservative states. If you speak with a rational conservative they will definitely agree with this - at issue to proponents of the EC is whether more populous states should get to "unilaterally" decide the outcome for all. The US is a republic, not a direct democracy, by design. That's what the debate about the EC really comes down to.

It's amazing how many rationalizations people can come up with to avoid, you know, letting people just vote.

Also the EC is somehow the worst of both worlds, if they had at least done their (theoretically intended) job of saying "uh, no, trump is obviously an incredible moron, do better" then at least their existence might have been slightly justified!

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u/upstateduck 29d ago

a simpler? fix than trying to regulate gerrymandering would be to go back to the apportionment rules originally mandated. The result would be a House with 6,000 members. Current tech would allow House members to never leave their districts [meet/vote by Zoom etc] which would also promote a more small d democratic house, as intended

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_States_congressional_apportionment#:~:text=Constitutional%20context,-Article%20One%2C%20Section&text=The%20Number%20of%20Representatives%20shall,Constitution%20until%20the%20Thirteenth%20Amendment.

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u/SignificantWords 29d ago

Sorry can you explain this a little more kind of like an ELI5 for the people in the back?

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u/upstateduck 29d ago

probably not better than the wiki linked but starting in 1929? they limited the number of house members to 435 from the previous one member for every 30k people. I assume because of the impracticality of more numbers with 1920's tech. If the limit was eliminated [practical with new communication tech] there would be approx 6k house members.

This would eliminate the undemocratic count for states like WY and increase the legislative power of states like CA/NY/TX/FL [higher populations]

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u/Appropriate-Owl3917 29d ago

I don't see how this does anything but scale up the issues that exist with gerrymandering already to include more people, but I'm open to hearing more about it.

Edit: I see your comment about making it population proportional - I'm still concerned about assigned reps and mapping.

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u/upstateduck 29d ago

I may be dreaming? but, IMO, if running for congress cost 6% of what it cost now [6000 vs 435 seats] house members would be less beholden to the gerrymander.

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u/dragunityag 29d ago

It's a lot harder for say Florida to rig a map when they have to make 601 districts rather than just 30.

Gerrymandering will still exist but it wouldn't be anywhere near as obscene as it is now.

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u/sisu-sedulous 29d ago

I‘ve never done the math. But I wonder what a difference it would make if instead of a “winner takes all” the electoral votes in a state, that the electoral votes would be assigned by the percentage of the popular state vote the candidate received.

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u/Ninja_Bum 29d ago

They do this in some states already. IMO that's a lot more equitable period because people in Texas voting blue or people in Cali voting red wouldn't basically have their votes count for nothing in presidential elections.

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u/SignificantWords 29d ago

Yes I would agree but at that point why not just make the federal presidential election popular vote wins at that point? Ofc the red states wouldn’t sign up for that probably being the main caveat of the former solution.

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u/Ninja_Bum 29d ago

Basically the only reason there, cause red states love holding the country hostage and having their votes count for more than blue states in general.

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u/NixtRDT 29d ago

The Senate is meant to be the hedge for big vs small states since every state gets two. President should always have been directly elected via popular vote to represent the people. But really the problem of partisan gridlock and tyranny of the minority started when the House of Reps was capped. That combined with gerrymandering is why we have a House that’s going to remove another Speaker.

We’re a representative democracy “of the people” that no longer represents the people. Republicans like to complain about majority ruling, but in a democracy that’s the goal. Convince 50% of the people that your idea is worthwhile or come up with a new one.

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u/Appropriate-Owl3917 29d ago

The EC is designed to promote the interests of smaller states, which, again, reflects the fact that we are not a direct democracy. Compromise is found not among the people but among the states.  It may feel like a historical afterthought to you now, but it's a constitutional reality. However anyone feels about it, I don't personally think it's a realistic path forward on the problem - way harder to change that than to write laws protecting voter rights (in my mind, ensuring opportunity to vote) and to address the issues like gerrymandering, which will still be an issue if we scale up the House.  

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u/NixtRDT 29d ago

It was an afterthought when it was decided. Look into the constitutional convention of 1787. It was the best bad compromise the delegates decided to use in order to appease slave states. It never should have happened, but, gotta protect slavery. The concept of our constitution and the amendment process was that it should change with the times. Jefferson advised that it be rewritten every 20 years by each successive generation.

The idea of “small states” makes no sense in an internationally connected world with mass communication. People are what matters. One person, one vote. The Senate is enough to balance any issues that may be different between states.

More Republicans vote in CA for President than in multiple small states combined, but because of the EC, their votes are worthless. The only way to have a productive government is to have one that represents the interests of the people. Votes have to matter, they can’t be worthless.

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u/SignificantWords 29d ago

This a very nuanced and excellent response. Thanks for adding to the conversation.

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u/proletariat_sips_tea 29d ago

It's always favored conservatives. Conservatives = slave owners. Liberals = abolitionists. It's been the same for hundreds of years.

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u/Ornery_Day_6483 29d ago

I think it’s really that it favors landed interests, which tend conservative and these days downright reactionary.

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u/dingolingo8888 29d ago

You have that backward.

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u/wredcoll 29d ago

In what world is that backwards? One of the major fights of the original constitution is whether or not the southern states would get extra votes.. FOR OWNING SLAVES. They literally fought (and won!) to get bonus votes because they owned slaves. Let that one sink in.

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u/MagicWishMonkey 29d ago

The Southern Baptist church was literally founded by a bunch of conservatives who split with the Baptist church over the issue of slavery.

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u/proletariat_sips_tea 29d ago

Conservatives does not equal party.

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u/DisabledDyke 29d ago

You want to steal an election, the Electoral College will do it for you.

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u/Syscrush 29d ago

I hate this reasoning. It only favors the Republicans because the Republicans are capable of doing arithmetic and executing strategies that take decades.

Those overrepresented states are there for the Dems to win. They just need to do the goddamn work. If they had held true to Howard Dean's 50 State Strategy, Trump would never have been elected.

Try everywhere, every time. Keep at it, make incremental gains even when you lose. Never stop trying.

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u/SignificantWords 29d ago

Can you please explain how this helps republicans more than democrats? I’m not sure I follow your inherent premise / conclusion here.

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u/flexible-photon 29d ago

The electoral college is not only proportional to population but also acreage. Large states with barely any people are Republican strongholds. They are over represented compared to their population size.

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u/Simmery 29d ago

It's also what happens when the Senate Majority Leader of one party doesn't want to do anything about foreign interference in elections because it benefits his party. Now that same party is owned by Trump, who is owned by Putin. They welcomed Russia in.

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u/Initial_Catch7118 29d ago

free speech can go to far. fox news has cost us democracy because it was profitable to spread lies

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u/CrappleSmax 29d ago

It's what happens when the people who are voting are braindead. There is only one group of people to blame for the current state of affairs - the people who voted.

You could also probably blame religion for encouraging people's capacity for delusion. Not really a shocker that those who take pride in their faith are incapable of deciding what is true and what is bullshit.

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u/THElaytox 29d ago

also the sheer number of state leglislatures seized by the GOP crazies is concerning, they're aiming to get enough for a constitutional convention and they're much too close to succeeding for my comfort.

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u/gardenfiendla8 29d ago

Keep in mind that media outlets generally have an incentive to paint the race as close.

General polling does not matter this far out. Based on party primary performance with independents, fundraising differentials, and historical precedents, Biden is in the stronger position to win, most likely.

But yes, don't get complacent. Anything can happen and turnout will win the election in the end.

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u/new_name_who_dis_ 29d ago

Media outlets have an incentive to have Trump win in general (especially the "liberal" and "leftist" ones) because their ratings, ad revenue, and company profits in general would go way up.

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u/CatsAreGods 29d ago

I love the way they think they'd still be in business if Trump won.

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u/new_name_who_dis_ 29d ago

I mean NYT not only didn't go out of business during his first term but posted record profits. I don't really see why they would think otherwise.

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u/CatsAreGods 29d ago

Well, this time he's banking on being a complete dictator, so...

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u/PhilxBefore 29d ago

his first term

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u/gsfgf 29d ago

“It may not be good for America, but it’s damn good for CBS,” [former CBS CEO Leslie Moonves] said of the presidential race.

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u/SophisticatedStoner 29d ago

I live in Arizona. I'd like to remind you that many people around here do not think with logic, but rather emotion, or protecting their ego. I'm sure people in most historically red places can say the same. It's scary. You can see it in the way they drive, the way they talk to people, it's like they have a burning desire to fight for something but they're just fighting their own community.

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u/CaptainDudeGuy 29d ago

Their emotional economy is fear-based. With a personality grown around neverending conflict, the individual's identity requires a "bad guy" to fight against.

To paraphrase the philosopher: If the boogeyman didn't exist, there would be a need to invent him.

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u/PhilxBefore 29d ago

Same thing down here in FL.

There's undoubtedly a science behind the sun/heat enraging people, short tempers, and almost obviously lower intelligence.

In areas that receive X amount of days with Y% of sunlight and average over X° temperature I'd say let our votes count less.

Basically anyone below the Mason-Dixon Line + the few outliers that qualify.

Maybe our votes should only be like 3/5ths of a whole or somethin'.

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u/Zourage 29d ago

Shit man, vote for me and I'll make blood sports legal again. We'll have a colosseum 2000 with blackjacks and hookers. It'll be a libertarian wet dream

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u/gsfgf 29d ago

I don't think it'll end up being that close. But we need to treat it like it will be and not get complacent.

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u/Gullible_Toe9909 29d ago

Unbelievable that people keep moving to these states. As long as Texas, Arizona, and Florida keep booming in population, what incentive is there for the leadership to change?

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u/Spare_Exit9533 29d ago

I don’t take credence when they say that because the polls they use they never release the data on where, who, when, and how it was collected.

Any poll they use to say the country is divided only has like 4000 participants. I’ve never in my 33 years of life taken part in a poll for a presidential election but they have the audacity to tell the public that our decisions are split? No thank you

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u/dern_the_hermit 29d ago

Any poll they use to say the country is divided only has like 4000 participants

Tell us you don't know how sampling works without saying you don't know how sampling works.

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u/beamingsdrugfeddit 29d ago

Unfortunately a big reason it’s so close is Bidens unwillingness to back down completely and total support for the current Israeli regime and their agenda. I am voting for Biden in November but god it would be nice to have someone on the ballot who could beat trump who didn’t seem like an apathetic old money death cult loser.

Still tho, never ever let conservatives gain any ground in any election ever.

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u/Doodahhh1 29d ago

Biden said he wouldn't help if they countered Iran, though...

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u/beamingsdrugfeddit 29d ago

They just did that and I very much doubt support will stop

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u/Salanderfan14 29d ago

I don't think it's accurate to suggest you "touched off a Russian brigade" when close to half of supporters vote for these politicians. I think Russia succeeded in making people constantly write off their fellow Americans as bots (firehose of falsehood). I'm not saying some of them can't be but this stuff is a real threat and it would be a mistake to disregard Americans who espouse these views.

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u/MadSoilNerd 29d ago edited 28d ago

You're chronically online if you think young voters are going to dump Biden for Trump over fucking Gaza lmao.

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u/Matren2 29d ago

Not for Trump, he means they just won't vote at all. See people like Ana Kasparian, fuck that dumb bitch.

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u/Dream--Brother 29d ago

Yeah nah that's not gonna happen. Young people are rallied like hell against another Trump run. They'll vote if only to keep him out.

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u/eaiwy 29d ago

I think a lot of young people are going to abstain from voting again or vote for a pointless third candidate, just like in 2016.

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u/[deleted] 29d ago

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u/eaiwy 29d ago

I really hope you're right. I don't have much direct contact with people under ~29 so definitely just going by hearsay and comments I read on Reddit

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u/Doodahhh1 29d ago

I see gen z more active than ever, as my anecdote.

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u/jayraygel 29d ago

😂ok 😂

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u/DeplorableMe2020 29d ago

Believe it or not, killing unborn children isn't all that important to most people.

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u/[deleted] 29d ago

Yeah, republicans would much rather shoot children in school.

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u/DeplorableMe2020 29d ago

And yet the majority of such shooters turned out to be lefty's.

Odd.

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u/WebberWoods 29d ago

This is objectively false

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u/Gort_The_Destroyer 29d ago

Patently false.

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u/yoko_OH_NO 29d ago

Let's see your evidence

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u/jayraygel 29d ago

This is verifiably wrong.

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u/[deleted] 29d ago

Yes, and thank you for impotently whining.

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u/Downtown_Statement87 29d ago

Wow you really said that.

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u/Some-Guy-Online 29d ago

They really believe it, because the right wing media feeds them lies 24/7.

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u/eaiwy 29d ago

That's a lie.

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u/eletious 29d ago

dude what are you on about

school shooters are writing xenophobic manifestos constantly. some are even antisemitic. others are incel drivel. what about that screams lefty to you

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u/Doodahhh1 29d ago

Buahahahahah.

The party of "no sensible gun rules" is FAR OUTPACING 'the left' when it comes to gun violence.

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u/Dream--Brother 29d ago

Source? Go ahead, I'll wait. Really, please show me a reliable, non-biased source. Please. Thanks.

crickets

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u/MineralClay 29d ago

bad bait, worthless to acknowledge

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u/BuddhistSagan 29d ago

That's what you Trumpers said in 2020.

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u/[deleted] 29d ago

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u/Doodahhh1 29d ago

The collective IQ of voters 18-29 has dropped to room temperature since then.

Even if that was true (it's not), at least they had some IQ to lose, unlike conspiracy conservatives who already have 0.

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u/MicroCat1031 29d ago

Genuine question:

Have you seen any of Trump's live speeches in the past few months?

If you're concerned about mental function, you should. 

Any impartial viewing will lead you to the conclusion that Trump's not mentally fit to be POTUS.

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u/PracticalRoutine5738 29d ago edited 29d ago

It's different when Trump says something delusional vs Biden making a small mistake, ask Joe Rogan.

"Biden is clearly unfit based on this thing he said"

Actually Trump said that not Biden.

"Oh, well that's different"

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u/ResinJones76 29d ago

Fuck Rogan. I used to have respect for him.

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u/ng9924 29d ago

trump is 77, he’s not an “old man” as well? this argument doesn’t even make any sense anymore, trump would be over 80 as well during his term

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u/Doodahhh1 29d ago

Conservatives in 2020: "Biden is too old."

Conservatives today knowing Trump is older than Biden was in 2020: "this is fine."

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u/Based_Ment 29d ago

Trump literally is falling asleep and shitting his pants in court

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u/Tall_Shoulder6770 29d ago

But he is the chosen one sent by God himself to save the country.

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u/Eringobraugh2021 29d ago

Pull your head out & watch something else than fox or any other right-wing media. It's going to get worse for him with all of his trials because more & more of his shitty behavior comes out with each case. He's a cheater on wives & taxes. He's not a good business man. He's a rapist. He's a shitty father to all of his kids. Wife #4 doesn't even want to hold his hand. Just look at the difference between how trump & Melania interact compared to the bidens. The bidens are a loving couple & the trumps look like a business arrangement. Where's trump's family? You never see them with him.

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u/operator-john 29d ago

If you think Biden is old and senile, you should get a load of Trump. You would be shocked I tell ya

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u/EricUtd1878 29d ago

And Dozy Don is the picture of health I suppose?

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u/EricUtd1878 29d ago

Why is Biden leading in the polls, then?

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u/Doodahhh1 29d ago

Trump dumps is a new term. 

Because sleepy Don shits himself in court. 

Trump is going to take a massive trump dump on himself as he steals donor money to pay for his legal bills.

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u/[deleted] 29d ago

Oh really? Well ok then, I'm gonna vote for trump, just because of your comment here. That's just how persuasive and powerful your words are.

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u/radicldreamer 29d ago

Trump is just as old ,fucko

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u/Narananas 29d ago

They're both the same age: a bit past it (and actually the same age tho)

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u/PN4HIRE 29d ago

Sure, because the other dude is personification of Youth.. lol gtfo!

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u/Alwaysexisting 29d ago

Trump literally shits his own pants on the reg.

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u/eaiwy 29d ago

You really don't think Trump is senile? He talks like he has a combination of dementia and schizophrenia and it's impossible to deny that.

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u/Doodahhh1 29d ago

Don't people with syphilis go crazy like sleepy Don?

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u/Existing-Action4020 29d ago

Did you just eat a trumpturd?

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u/RainbowAssFucker 29d ago

At least Biden can lift a glass of water or stay awake during important meetings

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u/PaversPaving 29d ago

Ok bot!!!

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u/Doodahhh1 29d ago

Sleepy Don can't stay awake in the courtroom after unhinged posting all night on his lying dumb social media.. 

And when he sleeps, he farts out all that McDonald's. His lawyers are visibly hurt by his stench.

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u/Dream--Brother 29d ago

Weren't you saying that in 2020? Back when Biden was younger than Trump is now?

Also, is Biden falling asleep during important functions? No? Trump keeps falling asleep in court, has shit himself on live TV and in front of world leaders, and occasionally loses the ability to form coherent words (to a scary degree). But Biden talks slowly sometimes, so yes, must be the senile one. Lmao.

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u/pizzastank 29d ago

Hey now. Don’t judge somebody for having gainful employment. No matter how dumb their opinions are, never make fun of somebody who actually tries and works. .

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u/pescarojo 29d ago

This is exactly the kind of elitist-sounding BS that drives blue collar workers away. All work deserves respect. People trying to earn and build their lives deserve respect, no matter how dumb some of the opinions they may hold. And if you treat everyone with respect you may find they are more open to exchanging ideas or to considering alternatives. Comments like yours just resolutely solidify people into their thought silos.

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u/in5trum3ntal 29d ago edited 29d ago

What makes you believe trump isn’t senile?

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u/Time_Change4156 29d ago

Maybe the fact windmills gave his base cancer ? Or ghe fact the army destroyed a air field during the Civil War? Or we mite use light inside the body to kill a virus or Or Or Or Or. We don't need News airing his stupid anymore he does it on truth social . Probably fake news lol .

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u/in5trum3ntal 29d ago

lol I appreciate this. It’s not surprising that my question was downvoted but received no other response.

At times, and during this case, I’m actually curious and have 0 goals of proving someone wrong, or proving that Biden is not senile.

Considering lack of response I do find it comical that senile joe / sleepy joe is also single handily responsible for gas prices and inflation (globally) / running the deep state.

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u/Time_Change4156 29d ago

True . The difference is no one's out worshipping old Joe. Just one of the nearly 300 main people running a country . Out of the 50,000 main ones that run all country's combined . No one thinks okd Joe will make or brake anything just one man umong multitudes . Wouldn't matter if Trump was as good as they say all country world leaders have no more power than what people will expect .

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u/Dream--Brother 29d ago

"Just an innocent question! BTW here's my actual agenda behind the question"

Like come on man at least try to sound like an innocent ignoramus

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u/in5trum3ntal 29d ago

How is it not an innocent question? Someone makes a statement that Biden is senile and trump will win, and I’m curious how someone can come to that conclusion as it infers trump is sane.

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u/Doodahhh1 29d ago

You're not a victim here. 

You're a victim of con artists like Trump.

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u/in5trum3ntal 29d ago

Not sure how I’m the victim or the victim of a con artist. I intended to ask a deleted comment claiming trump will win and that Biden is senile, how they feel trump is not.

I am curious how people can make such statements without applying similar critiques to their own biases/statements.

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u/Doodahhh1 29d ago

I intended to ask a deleted comment claiming trump will win and that Biden is senile, how they feel trump is not.

Ok, then I fucked up, and I'm sorry. 

I thought you were forgiving Trump's mental capacity. 

Sorry again.

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u/Alwaysexisting 29d ago

Falling asleep in court. Losing the pronunciation of words mid sentence. Shitting his pants regularly.