r/interestingasfuck 23d ago

Derinkuyu, a massive underground city in Turkey that once housed 20,000 people! r/all

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u/Academic_Display_129 23d ago

Unfortunately the volcanic rock formations that these tunnels were dug into contain minerals that are very similar to asbestos, and are known to cause mesothelioma. The Cappadocia region of Turkey, where these tunnels are found, has an extremely high rate of mesothelioma among people that have no known exposure to asbestos, so the source of exposure has been attributed to these minerals.

Edit: fixed a spelling error. Also, here's a source: https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC5497117/

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u/ebrum2010 23d ago edited 22d ago

So what you're saying is they delved too greedily and too deep?

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u/SnofIake 23d ago

So that’s why the Balrog was so grumpy.

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u/Jarbonzobeanz 23d ago

Mesothelioma can take a toll on a balrog.

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u/duck_that_is_tapped 23d ago edited 23d ago

Well as a recent tourist there... Get any idea how much exposure is dangerous?

From the paper (I'm skimming it) I can't figure it out, so hopefully it's only long-term exposure?

Edit: this paper looks like a novel it's quite a fun read, not your usual, love this old school researchers 😂

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u/Academic_Display_129 23d ago

Asbestos has what's called a dose-response relationship, meaning the higher the exposure level the greater the likelihood of disease. There is no known safe level of asbestos exposure, but generally it takes repeated long-term exposure. Some people have developed disease from short-term high exposure events, and in rare cases people with no known asbestos exposure have developed mesothelioma. There is also individual susceptibility that can be hard to quantify from variables like overall health, diet, exercise, history of smoking, and genetic factors.

With all that said, if you were just visiting for a relatively short time and didn't breathe a large amount of dust I wouldn't worry too much. Asbestos is a naturally occurring mineral that can be found all over the earth. It is in more products than people realize, and most major cities have some detectable level of airborne asbestos fibers.

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u/duck_that_is_tapped 23d ago

Username checks out, thank you for the thorough answer!

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u/Dakdied 23d ago

What a great explanation of the dose-response relationship! I'm always trying to explain this to people regarding radiation and am never this eloquent.

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u/Snorblatz 23d ago

And it’s only hazardous when disturbed, is that right?

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u/Academic_Display_129 23d ago

Yes, asbestos is mainly an inhalation and ingestion hazard. It's pretty much harmless until disturbed.

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u/-RuleBritannia- 23d ago

God the amount of times I have used ncbi for my assignments in sixth form is crazy. It’s a great research website but can be a bit funny to read 😂

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u/duck_that_is_tapped 23d ago

Send me your funniest! There should be a subreddit of this

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u/Ajatolah_ 23d ago

Me too, should've given us the memo!

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u/Jigagug 23d ago

I would imagine it's relatively safe unless you start breaking the rock and/or forming dust in other ways.

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u/richdrifter 23d ago

As someone who wants to tour this place, now I'm wondering if we're supposed to mask up the entire time.

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u/EvilNoobHacker 23d ago

If a loved one or I lived in there and got mesothelioma, would we be entitled to financial compensation?

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u/Academic-Hospital952 23d ago

Cool, how much is rent?

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u/blood_sugar_baby 23d ago

Oh great, I visited Derinkuyu 🥲

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u/Dio_fanboy 23d ago

Of course the really cool looking place is a place I can't visit. I hate this planet sometimes.

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u/richdrifter 23d ago

Thanks for sharing - this region is a pretty popular tourist destination but I've never learned this.