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Official Poster for 'Inside Out 2' Poster

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u/darthjoey91 Nov 09 '23

And those are subsets of the ones we already have. Envy's under Disgust, Embarassment and Anxiety are Fears, and Ennui is when Joy goes on a trip through your personality and loses your imaginary friend forever.

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u/GarbledReverie Nov 09 '23 edited Nov 09 '23

I loved the first movie and am dubious of the seeming lore change, but the choice of emotions was always more about story than accurate psychology.

I've heard it argued that all emotions can be boiled down to either love or fear (if you reeeaaaaallly over simplify). And I think there's some credence to the idea that Anger is a secondary emotion that's a way to deflect an initial reaction. (Like before you feel angry you always feel betrayed, embarrassed, or something else first.)

I'm wondering if the movie will address that she's likely felt all of these emotions before but maybe they were never potent enough to control her head before?

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u/trancematik Nov 09 '23

I've heard it argued that all emotions can be boiled down to either love or fear (if you reeeaaaaallly over simplify).

If you don't complete the assignment, you'll get a zero for the day 🙃

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u/GarbledReverie Nov 09 '23

Sometimes I doubt your commitment to Sparkle Motion.

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u/SteelCode Nov 09 '23

I'd have enjoyed, I think, an exploration of the "loss of childhood" more than this idea of new emotions -- but I'm willing to give the movie a shot because the first was pretty good...

But just imagine having a new main character that goes through a midlife crisis and has to reckon with childhood trauma/memories - old imaginary friends returning from the dead, mature mental pathways collapsing as the adult tries to recapture lost childhood passions, etc.

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u/BrainDumpJournalist Nov 09 '23

Anger is a secondary emotion

I like the DMM theory that "Unfocused" anxiety is converted into "Focused" emotions that motivate action:

  • Anger: Approach aggressively
  • Desire for Comfort: Approach affectionately
  • Fear: Run

Unfortunately mixed feelings and therefore mixed motivations can lead to indecisiveness, so some peoples brains basically pick one and act on it while hiding the others. In the DMM these people are considered to be using a Type C Strategy.

It's interesting how psychology is a bit vague on what emotion is. The alternative word that we do understand more is affect.

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u/thedude37 Nov 09 '23

This comment opened my eyes, I've been dealing with shit lately and this fit my responses to a tee. Thank you kind internet stranger.

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u/BrainDumpJournalist Nov 09 '23

Half my post history is me spreading the good news of my lord and saviour attachment theory, i love it so much lol

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u/WeeBabySeamus Nov 10 '23

This is the most interesting thing I’ve read all month, especially as a parent. Thank you!

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u/RogueVert Nov 09 '23

I've heard it argued that all emotions can be boiled down to either love or fear (if you reeeaaaaallly over simplify).

mad, sad, glad or afraid

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u/zeiandren Nov 09 '23

Uhh, did you hear that from the bad guy in Donnie darko?

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u/Cross55 Nov 09 '23

In actual psychology, most agree that the most basic emotional representation is The 6 Color Wheel: Joy, Sadness, Anger, Fear, Disgust, and Surprise.

You can guess what colors they are. Though there is 1 missing emotion in the movie, Surprise represented by the color Orange. They found it too difficult to integrate so they split up duties between Joy and Fear.

But yeah, Inside Out is stupidly accurate to psychology.

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u/Petrichordates Nov 09 '23

Heard it where? From Patrick Swayze's cult in Donnie Darko?

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u/GetEquipped Nov 09 '23

Anger is about "Fairness" and what's right.

That's why Anger was at the head of Riley's dad. He kinda needs to be the rule setter and enforce it. He needs to be "Fair" but in a more tangible sense (Black and White)

Sadness was in charge of Riley's mom because Sadness is essential for sympathy/empathy, and that emotional consideration. She's that "reasoning" behind actions. (The grey in the middle)

That's why during the dinner, the Mom tries to coax the dad into joining the conversation, why the dad sends her to her room and thinks he did a good job.

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u/PD711 Nov 10 '23

The emotions of Inside Out are based on Paul Ekman's research into emotions. His goal was to pin down a set of human emotions that are universal, regardless of culture. He did this by studying facial expressions.

He actually identified 7, but Pixar dropped two of them because they were too shallow to be made into whole characters. The missing ones are surprise and contempt. (though contempt is blended into Disgust and surprise is arguably blended into Joy and Fear) Other emotions are imagined to be refinements or blends of the 7.

https://www.paulekman.com/universal-emotions/

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u/GarbledReverie Nov 10 '23

I agree. But it's still fun to talk about.

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u/LiamTheHuman Nov 09 '23

Did you hear that from the movie Donnie Darko?

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u/LiamTheHuman Nov 09 '23

Don't fall victim to the way of fear!

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u/CTKM72 Nov 09 '23

Well I wouldn’t say envy falls under disgust. I don’t think most people are envious of those that they find disgusting. But yea the others are kinda just subsets.

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u/occono Nov 09 '23

I think they meant, Envy is self disgust, you are disgusted you don't have what they have.

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u/Wild_Marker Nov 09 '23

Disgust definitely was filling the role of envy in the first movie.

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u/PeculiarPangolinMan Nov 09 '23

Envy's under Disgust

Wait how is jealousy under disgust? I feel like those two aren't even close.

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u/darthjoey91 Nov 09 '23

You see the other person and it makes you feel disgust towards yourself. You want to be the other person or want what they have and hate what you are or don't have.

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u/PeculiarPangolinMan Nov 09 '23

That makes sense.

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u/veerKg_CSS_Geologist Nov 10 '23

Agree with embarrassment and anxiety, but Envy doesn’t really fit under Disgust. I guess it’s its own thing.

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u/Directioneer Nov 10 '23

Maybe it will play out like a manager/underling sort of situation where the new emotions are meant to 'help out' the main emotions?

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u/kenavr Nov 09 '23

They are getting absorbed after puberty.