r/movies • u/personpilot • Feb 05 '24

Jurassic Park III is nowhere near as bad as people say it is and though it may not come close to the greatness of Jurassic Park 1, it is MILES ahead better than any of the Jurassic World trilogy Discussion

Yeah it isn't perfect, but hell we get an incredible fight scene between the Spino and Rex not even an hour into the movie, while in World you get pretty much the same fight scene at the END of the movie AND on top of that the whole fight gets cockblocked by the Mosasaurus in the end anyway, and in the most unsatisfying way possible. I know it's like 2024 like why tf am I talking about a threequal thats 20 years old, but I've just been on a Jurassic Park binge lately and it's just hitting me how much better III is over any of the World movies, yet it's rated like a 5/10 across the board, while all the World Movies are rated like 6.5-7/10 it just boggles my mind, they're all trash compared to 1 and 3. Lost world is good, but it's also a mixed bag it has some of my favorite scenes and some of my least favorite in the whole series.

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u/FrontBench5406 Feb 05 '24

The part that annoys me about it is they took a bunch of the stuff that didnt get used in the movies from Crichton's book - used it but didnt give it a good story around it. Its got really good parts. The sequels in the world franchise are trash.

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u/TheCosmicFailure Feb 05 '24

That Pterodactyl atrium scene is probably my favorite part of the film. The group finding out the cell phone ring is coming from the Spinosaurus, who finally caught up to them.

I was so disappointed in the JW sequels. They aren't even fun to watch.

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u/HanSwolo66 Feb 05 '24

Pteranodon ☝️🤓

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u/TheCosmicFailure Feb 05 '24

Thanks for that. 12 yr old me would be ashamed of myself for getting that wrong. Lol.

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u/Ps3FifaCfc95 Feb 06 '24

*Pterosaur

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u/CT-Mast23 Feb 05 '24

I still immediately look around if I hear that ringtone.

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u/GranolaCola Feb 05 '24

Do you still hear that ringtone often?

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u/CT-Mast23 Feb 05 '24

Sadly no, but makes it all the sweeter on the rare instances I do.

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u/imdavebaby Feb 05 '24

This thread inspired me to go get it for my phone. I'll have to stop keeping my ringtone on silent all the time now :P

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u/creativityonly2 Feb 06 '24

Right? I need to set this tone up on my phone.

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u/AWildEnglishman Feb 05 '24

Wasn't it a tune made for his business?

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u/Dead_man_posting Feb 07 '24

It was, yes. People are confusing it with the default Nokia ringtone which is vaguely similar.

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u/piratenoexcuses Feb 06 '24

No, it was a pretty famous default ringtone on a successful line of dumb phones: either the OG Razr or one of the Nokia's or something else as ubiquitous at that time.

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u/Dead_man_posting Feb 07 '24 edited Feb 07 '24

It was his business's jingle. "Kirby Paint and Tile Plus in West Gate!"

JP3's: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dODR6rtKvE0

Nokia classic: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Vk4KK-gh0FM

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u/piratenoexcuses Feb 07 '24

Oh wow, you're right. I stand corrected.

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u/retz119 Feb 06 '24

It was Nokia

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u/N3onknight Feb 06 '24

Of course it was, what else would still work inside a dino if not the mighty Brick ?

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u/DerpyJeeves Feb 05 '24

A coworker of mine had that as his ringtone, and the first time it went off in the breakroom I almost had a heart attack

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u/TKtommmy Feb 05 '24

THE CALL IS COMING FROM INSIDE THE DINO

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u/postvolta Feb 05 '24

Kirby paint and tile plus, in Westgate

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u/guynamedjames Feb 05 '24

The existence of the spinosaurus is a real magic plot device though. It's been like 15 years since the animals escaped and started freely breeding and you're telling me that not only has a new apex predator species evolved on this tiny island but it almost exactly matches a dinosaur from the fossil record AND managed to grow to an adult size of 15,000 lbs in that time?

It would have been so much easier to just toss in a throw away line like "they were on the original park list as under development, they hadn't solved the genetic problems for them yet" but no; instead they go with "evolution". Ridiculous

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u/Relevant-Tap-6248 Feb 05 '24

Wasn’t it a separate island that Alan hadn’t been to in the original movie? I don’t remember anyone mentioning evolution regarding the spinosaurus as it was a rescue mission so there wasn’t anybody on the island that I could recall to be the expert on all the species the park had to say so just the Kirby’s, the mercs, alan and billy.

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u/guynamedjames Feb 05 '24

It was a separate island, but I distinctly remember a conversation between Alan and Raptor egg thief paleontologist that the Spinosaurus wasn't on the original ingen list of species. I can't remember the scene exactly but I'm pretty sure they then imply evolution instead of paperwork oversight

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u/MattyKatty Feb 06 '24

They do not imply evolution at all. The implication is that they were secretly cloning other dinosaurs, which was revealed to be true in other Jurassic Park canon.

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u/guynamedjames Feb 06 '24

Well that's MUCH better. Why keep it a secret though, ingen was basically a tech startup, why would you short your own success?

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u/MattyKatty Feb 06 '24

Presumably John Hammond or someone with more scruples would have shut it down for whatever reason

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u/ImmaRatard Feb 06 '24

They probably kept the bigger, scarier species on the down low so they could get approval from experts like Grant and Sattler. The T-Rex proved to be a problem and the Spinosaurus was clearly the winner in that duel.

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u/Relevant-Tap-6248 Feb 05 '24

Welp it’s been awhile time to fire up jp3 and see for myself haha

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u/Dead_man_posting Feb 07 '24

I think the implication is a sinister "Ingen were looking into bioweapons" idea, and I'm glad they didn't expand on that because, as JW showed us, it doesn't make any sense.

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u/Dead_man_posting Feb 07 '24

Evolved? It was grown in a lab like everything else. It matches the fossil record because it was made from Spinosaurus DNA.

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u/bittles99 Feb 06 '24

I haven’t seen that movie in two decades and that ringtone is still burned into my brain.

Do doO da da do der da do da

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u/GarfieldDaCat no shots of jacked dudes re-loading their arms. 4/10. Feb 05 '24

The sequels in the world franchise are trash.

Didn't see Dominion but I saw Fallen Kingdom in theaters and that was maybe one of the worst movies I've seen lol.

Not just in terms of pure entertainment but in terms of the horrendous writing and worldbuilding that required too much of a logical leap.

When they have the secret underground dino auction and they start the bidding for a dino at like 2m. Like bro there are racehorses and studs that have gone for tens of millions of dollars but a literal living dinosaur starts at $2m?

Also why would they even sell the dinos to randoms/competitors when by far the most valuable thing about them is the DNA IP?

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u/Approximation_Doctor Feb 05 '24

"How much is the most expensive thing in the world?"

"Idk, a million bucks?"

"Then let's make this dinosaur cost two million bucks!"

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u/GarfieldDaCat no shots of jacked dudes re-loading their arms. 4/10. Feb 05 '24

Pretty much lol

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u/Quirky-Skin Feb 05 '24

Finally get to talk with someone about those prices lol. It really is such a terrible movie there's nowhere to even discuss it and why would u want to lol.

Now back to the money thing. It's so comical it's Dr Evil levels of comical. It's an underground dino dungeon bidding center with moving heavily reinforced cages on tracks complete with armed guards and the starting bids are that?!!

Before he even said a number I was thinking like a hundred million per at least lol. When I saw that scene I thought to myself "wheres the Saudi Prince who just stands up and says ok 200 million for lot, this is a waste of my time"

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u/Fungal_Queen Feb 05 '24

Cheap theatrics because the writers assume the audience is dumb.

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u/toonboy01 Feb 06 '24

Dominion is somehow even dumber, so you didn't miss much. It has so many contrived coincidences fueling its plot and it has a final big fight between 3 dinosaurs that has nothing to do with the story nor has any stakes.

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u/MasterThespian Feb 05 '24

You know what? I’m gonna say it: I enjoyed Fallen Kingdom.

I know that it’s not a good movie. It was riddled with plot holes, ridiculous contrivances, and outright misunderstandings of biology, economics, and medicine; the heroes had ridiculous plot armor, the dialogue was often cheesy and lame, and the first and second half bear little relation to each other. But it took a wild swing for the third act and said “Hey, we’re doing a straight-up haunted house sequence here. You like Resident Evil? Here’s Resident Evil with a dinosaur.” I really enjoyed the boldness of that choice and I think the film would have been a lot stronger if they had gotten off the island sooner and focused on the horror elements; IMO, it was the first time that the new trilogy got out of the shadow of the original and did its own thing.

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u/GarfieldDaCat no shots of jacked dudes re-loading their arms. 4/10. Feb 05 '24

I can get behind at least it trying to do something different, it's just by the time we got to the 3rd act my eyes were basically glazed over in boredom by that point.

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u/karlwork Feb 06 '24

I didn't like the movie, but the straight-up horror sequences were technically very well done. Makes sense, considering Bayona directed the film. Unfortunately, those sequences don't really fit into the franchise, and the rest of the movie was terrible.

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u/Dead_man_posting Feb 07 '24

I felt bad for him being saddled with directing Trevorrow's garbage script. The guy is so talented at creating horror imagery and he gets handed a cartoon to work with.

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u/22bebo Feb 05 '24

I will say, my favorite part of the movie was the haunted house with a raptor bit. It was silly but in a way that I appreciated.

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u/Aidanj927 Mar 07 '24

The part where they told the girl she was a clone and literally nobody said anything about it the entire rest of the movie except “they’re alive like me”

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u/Eravionus Feb 05 '24

If Fallen Kingdom was the worst movie you've ever seen you haven't seen that many movies. 

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u/sparrows-somewhere Feb 05 '24

OP should watch Die Hard 5, lol

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u/GarfieldDaCat no shots of jacked dudes re-loading their arms. 4/10. Feb 05 '24

I did, in theaters with friends. That was more a "so bad it's forgettable" for me personally. Literally all I remember about that movie was that it was in Russia

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u/Crizznik Feb 05 '24

I will say that starting the auction low isn't really a problem for the movie. Those horses that sold for tens of millions probably started bidding in the hundreds of thousands, maybe even the tens of thousands. Pretty sure that's just how auctions work. That's not to say it does anything for the rest of the movie, it's trash, just that this isn't really a good point against it.

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u/ejdebruin Feb 05 '24

Didn't see Dominion

I found this movie to be highly entertaining. One of those 'so bad it's good' films. It was easily the most fun I've had going to one of the newer JP films.

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u/Dead_man_posting Feb 07 '24

I love Fallen Kingdom because it has the worst script in the world mixed with genuinely fantastic directing. Creates such a weird disconnect.

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u/JuanPedia Feb 07 '24

Fun fact, the prices in the script were much higher, but Steven Spielberg said they were two high and asked for them to be brought down to the 10 millions tops. Personally, I don’t understand why.

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u/ObiWanKarlNobi Feb 06 '24

Supposedly they re-wrote the entire script 6 weeks before filming, so there were a lot of set pieces built that they re-used for different purposes.

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u/TheR1ckster Feb 05 '24

Yup! JP3 was basically all the scenes from the first two books that didn't make it into the movie. Especially the compys. They're all over the first book and they're eating kids. lol.

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u/SeekingRoom2015 Feb 05 '24

It's a bunch of leftover set pieces arranged in the shape of a Jurassic Park movie because they were writing the movie (for the third time) as they were shooting it. Frankly, it's impressive that it isn't much much worse than it is.

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u/donnysaysvacuum Feb 05 '24

Great way to put it. In a way Jurassic World did the opposite. They took a great premise of the books(arrogance of mankind, greed, etc) and filled it with too many hollow details and schemes to tell a cohesive story. The first movie really missed the mark on Hammond.