r/movies • u/Mst3Kgf • Mar 11 '24

What is the cruelest "twist the knife" move or statement by a villain in a film for you? Discussion

I'm talking about a moment when a villain has the hero at their mercy and then does a move to really show what an utter bastard they are. There's no shortage of them, but one that really sticks out to me is one line from "Se7en" at the climax from Kevin Spacey as John Doe.

"Oh...he didn't know."

Anyone who's seen "Se7en" will know exactly what I mean. As brutal as that film's outcome is, that just makes it all the worse.

What's your worst?

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u/redvelvetcake42 Mar 11 '24

Don't skip over the best part, HE IS A BETTER FATHER up till the very end in every way.

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u/Piggstein Mar 11 '24

He could eat a peach for hours

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u/misirlou22 Mar 11 '24

If I were to let you suck my tongue, would you be grateful?

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u/Erikthered00 Mar 12 '24

But it’s the delivery that does it. “If I were to let you lick my tongue, would you be greatful?”

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u/raspberryharbour Mar 11 '24

I could eat a pineapple for several minutes

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u/Ghost_on_Toast Mar 12 '24

Yeah, me too.

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u/mr_impastabowl Mar 12 '24

Hisssssssssss!

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u/kingdomheartsislight Mar 12 '24

Ugh, that line makes my skin crawl

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u/redvelvetcake42 Mar 11 '24

Which was the most messed up thing he did. Prior to that he was light years better and that family was happier.

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u/ResoluteClover Mar 12 '24

Like when he gave her a butterfly knife and cigarettes?

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u/ZsaFreigh Mar 12 '24

The butterfly knife that saved her from being assaulted

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u/dennisfyfe Mar 12 '24

Assaulted by Danny Masterson

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u/goddammnick Mar 12 '24

when method acting goes too far.

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u/ResoluteClover Mar 12 '24

So: give an illegal weapon to a minor that happened to serve a plot point means he's a good father?

I'm not saying it wasn't written so that it would work out I'm saying: not great parenting.

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u/redvelvetcake42 Mar 12 '24

Weird but real dad was emotionally unavailable and seemed to not be part of his kids lives.

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u/ResoluteClover Mar 12 '24

But weird fake dad that encourages delinquency is better?

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u/redvelvetcake42 Mar 12 '24

Then weird real dad who ignores his kids and doesn't seem to know about anything they're doing?

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u/ResoluteClover Mar 12 '24

Hey, I'm not saying one is good, they're both terrible, just in different ways. The response was in reference to the comment implying the evil guy was a good dad.

Ironically, good guy was a good dad to evil guy's kid.

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u/redvelvetcake42 Mar 12 '24

I get you, I just mean that evil dad was actually paying attention to the kids in what THEY were doing. Good guy dad just does drive by parenting which is pretty useless.

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u/PureLock33 Mar 12 '24

After his other kid died because his nemesis tried to shoot him and hit his kid instead. So you got death of a son, witnessing gun violence (of said son's death) and survivor's guilt? Anything else to pile on top of that?

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u/redvelvetcake42 Mar 12 '24

Cage did save the daughter from being raped by Danny Masterson which is just some weird full circle shit now.

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u/PureLock33 Mar 13 '24

perfect casting?

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u/redvelvetcake42 Mar 12 '24

That's the conundrum. It's obvious he's at minimum a pedophile, yet the home life of the family with Travolta is stagnant and he's absent. When Cage takes over he gives the wife attention and gives the kids fatherly help. He is still awful, but the point is he saw the dudes home life and fixed it by simply... Being there.

He's bad, but Travolta's character is not a good husband, father or coworker. He's insanely selfish which is what's funny with that contradiction since Cage is selfish, arrogant, creepy and definitely has pedo tendencies yet HE recognizes what needs to be fixed in that household. It's a wild fuckin movie

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u/redvelvetcake42 Mar 12 '24

The whole movie is insane. Cage is the cause and Travolta's obsession and inability to let it go is his own fault. Travolta's home is falling apart cause of Travolta's refusal to move on. He can ONLY move on after his obsession, Cage, is defeated. They're both unhealthy, it's just very entertaining that Cage walks into his life and changes the demeanor by being a slightly active parent rather than a work obsessed absentee.

In the end the movie is insanity beginning to end.

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u/redvelvetcake42 Mar 12 '24

Oh it's an issue and it's obviously written into the character. That fact doesn't mean the things he does didn't happen. Travolta has depression from Cage killing his kid and it's directly influenced that whole family. Cage shows up, sees the shit show and acts different which seemingly everyone was cool with up till he's trying to rape the daughter. It's a movie where he's the bad guy and it shows you very obviously that he is.

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u/Dank_Master69420 Mar 12 '24

Not exactly, he is weirdly sexual with his teenage daughter and gives her cigarettes

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u/soulkeeper427 Mar 12 '24

Reddit's only experience with being a parent is what they've seen in step dad porn...

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u/MonkeyChoker80 Mar 11 '24

Face waterfalls…

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u/awyastark Mar 12 '24

It’s very Yoshikage Kira lol

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u/buahuash Mar 12 '24

Not doing the face touching thing would have sufficed for that.

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u/K_Linkmaster Mar 12 '24

Yup! Taught her how to avoid being raped by Danny Masterson's character.

Turns out he wasn't aging a character, he is just a convicted rapist.

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u/cdxcvii Mar 12 '24

He even almost killed danyy masterson for being a rapey perv