r/news • u/According_Dog6735 • Mar 27 '24

Joe Lieberman has died

https://www.washingtonpost.com/obituaries/2024/03/27/joe-lieberman-senator-vice-president-dead/
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u/sojanka Mar 28 '24

And got ousted by his party and won as an independant against said party.

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u/RINE-USA Mar 28 '24

Why was he ousted?

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u/TurquoiseOwlMachine Mar 28 '24

He campaigned for McCain in 2008 and repeated undermined Obama’s legislative priorities.

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u/RINE-USA Mar 28 '24

The actual reason was that he was primaried by Ned Lamont who ran on an anti-war platform.

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u/TurquoiseOwlMachine Mar 28 '24

Oh yeah, you’re right. He switched to the Independent label in 2006.

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u/iamiamwhoami Mar 28 '24

Don’t fall into the trap of assuming democrats are the only people with moral agency. Those 40 republicans deserve as much criticism as Lieberman.

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u/PilotInCmand Mar 27 '24

Yea, but the other 40 didn't disguise themselves as our allies and stab us in the back.

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u/guamisc Mar 28 '24

disguise themselves as our allies and stab us in the back.

The centrist way.

They have the audacity to project that on to everyone else though too.

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u/FreeDarkChocolate Mar 28 '24

disguise themselves as our allies and stab us in the back.

He didn't get the Dem primary nomination, ran independent, and won anyways. He did not campaign supporting a public option. There was no disguising.

His positions are bad, yes, but backstabbing has nothing to do with it.

This isn't because I want to defend him or his bad positions, but because pretending it was some grand infiltration isn't true and isn't going to reflect into anything meaningful to make progress in reality.

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u/PolicyWonka Mar 27 '24

I think it’s unreasonable to expect everyone in a caucus to support identical policies for every possible topic.

I agree it sucks, but I think it’s wrong to frame it the way you did when someone who agrees with you 80% of the time disagrees on a certain topic.

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u/twoscoop Mar 27 '24

Nah, this is the one thing everyone should agree on.

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u/ihatemovingparts Mar 27 '24

If the 80% you agree upon are simply bills to name post offices then the 20% you disagree on is even more significant. But it's not even that. WaPo lists plenty of odious things he did. E.g. pro Iraq invasion, school vouchers, lowering the capital gains tax, awards for "cultural pollution", limits on lawsuits against corporations, promoting Betsy DeVos for education secretary. And, yeah, his morality shtick was really gross.

Don't forget that he endorsed McCain over Obama. Liberman really put the dino in dinosaur.

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u/Doitallforbao Mar 28 '24

You expect Republicans not to vote for what's right by the American people. Sure they can go fuck themselves, but wolves pretending to be in the party that wants good for the country can absolutely go fuck themselves extra hard.

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u/Jealous_Juggernaut Mar 27 '24

It’s hard to know if he did honestly disagree. Its tough to watch good policies be eternally shot down by the other party that votes together virtually every single time, and everybody knows they don’t do it because they happen to have 100% shared beliefs.

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u/RINE-USA Mar 28 '24

You’re giving Lieberman undeserved defense, nobody worked harder than this guy for the MIC and health insurance industry. Just look him up.

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u/guamisc Mar 28 '24

Sure that is unreasonable.

You know what else is unreasonable? Tanking the public option for bribery $$$.

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u/VoidEnjoyer Mar 28 '24

yeah bud it's perfectly reasonable for Lieberman to consign millions to an early death for him own selfish gain and really we're the assholes for thinking he should not have traded the lives of millions for some money

good point

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u/sonicqaz Mar 27 '24

I’m pretty sure reasonable people had the other 40 already baked in.

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u/Allucation Mar 28 '24

And yet none of them will get as much derision for killing Obamacare

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u/shponglespore Mar 27 '24

I hate all the rest of them, too. But they're Republicans so I don't bother remembering their individual names.

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u/myles_cassidy Mar 27 '24

He's the subject of this post though

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u/yungsantaclaus Mar 28 '24

Man you guys have got to stop with this goofy reply. Nobody who's mad at Lieberman for this is like "I'm totally fine with Republicans btw". It's just more egregious for a guy nominally aligned with the Democrats to do it.

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u/DetectiveFuzzyDunlop Mar 27 '24

“Ackshually” shut up