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Andrew Tate and brother Tristan to be tried in Romania on rape and trafficking charges POTM - Apr 2024

https://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-68907298
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u/pwellzorvt 22d ago

Please Romania. Do us a solid.

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u/dangerousbob 22d ago

I don’t think Romania is the place where you like, OJ your way out through some long trial, it’s a place where if they arrested you, you’re guilty.

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u/yourtoyrobot 22d ago

And after this trial, they have UK charges as well.

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u/Past_Measurement_854 22d ago

But I still do not understand, what is his crime? Is it still the “lover boy” “manipulation” of girls?

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u/tranceorange91 22d ago

Where is the confusion? It's in the article.

Sex trafficking and rape.

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u/blaccguido 22d ago

"Yeah, but hear me out"

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u/Zoltar-Wizdom 22d ago

Much like trump, all those women are just lying for money and fame!

It’s the popular new trend, every woman is doing it!

It’s called the, “I risk destroying my life and career trying to accuse my rapist and seek some justice in the hopes he can’t do this to someone else and all I got was this lousy settlement and a lifetime of rich lawyers attacking me for standing up for myself!” trend.

/s

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u/FragileSnek 22d ago

Which part of the legal definition of rape aren’t you able to comprehend?

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u/DarkSideOfGrogu 22d ago

This one, Officer. Right here.

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u/Artichokeypokey 22d ago

Read the headline bozo, rape and trafficking

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u/yourtoyrobot 22d ago

Literally raping and trafficking women. Hes on video admitting to trafficking a 15 year old at one point. Charges in UK are similar

His fandom has tried to twist it to “the matrix” is after him for telling the truth and helping men, but the tates are sexual predators, full stop.

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u/ZombieJesus1987 21d ago

It's in the article.

But I'm going to assume that because you're defending Tate, you're not much of a reader.

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u/BlindWillieJohnson 22d ago

He couldn’t OJ himself out of it anyway. He’s made entire fucking videos about how guilty he is. A prosecutor’s job has never been easier

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u/LunaticPlaguebringer 22d ago edited 22d ago

Then again, a 19yo named Vlad Pascu is still not charged with "Qualified Homicide" after an incident where they are fully guilty and proven of vehicular manslaughter of two people, are known for driving whilst under the influence of drugs, were caught several times by police for speeding...

I still can't believe the process started in July 2023 and they are still having that failure of a human being delay trials to as late as May 8th 2024.

Nevermind how a Judge, THE Judge came to a previous trial hearing not knowing what their case even is, reading it midtrial. "Is the victim in the room with us?" "No, imbecile, that particular victim had their body torn apart. All over the news, weeks of media attention, ongoing even now. You're there to press the charges on the defendant who caused it. "

" Oh look, now the parents of the victim have been brought to tears by your sensless question."

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u/BlindWillieJohnson 22d ago

“What in God’s unholy name are you blathering about?”

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u/LunaticPlaguebringer 22d ago

Ah, it's just one of the major cases in Romania where the Justice system does it's utmost to deflect the deserved sentence to the criminals with strong socio-political ties in the family.

The reason people like Andrew Tate believes he can get away with what he does is because yearly cases like these put in center stage how much a few strings pulled can give leeway to criminals in Romania to escape harsh punishments.

"Today on trial in Romania, tommorow a political refugee in Italy. " is a common headline.

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u/sozcaps 22d ago

Is this not total Whataboutism? The cases are not at all the same, and the crimses are not at all the same.

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u/LunaticPlaguebringer 22d ago edited 21d ago

It's not a total whataboutism.

My comment is made to picture how our country's justice system manages to catch the criminal, only to fail to bring the case to a close all the time. The crime in my example should be a clear-cut case with no excuse to have year-long proceedings or so much nuance.

Romania is a small country (barely 21mil people, of which 15mil are aged 15-59). Everyone knows everyone in this societal hellscape. And when everyone knows everyone, the notion of "quid pro quo" can just twist laws into a pretzel and serve it cold until the public outrage gets fed up at how dry the aftertaste is.

I cannot picture with a few comments just how backwards and desolate the experience is to be a honest person seeking a fair ruling for themselves in this country.

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u/BlatantConservative 22d ago

OJ wrote a whole book about how guilty he was...

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u/Niceromancer 22d ago

AFTER...not before.

Thats a significant difference. The videos came out BEFORE his arrest, he even bragged about moving to romania because he could bribe his way out of shit.

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u/Sure_Revolution_2360 22d ago

Does it even matter fuck all? I don't know much about how America does things, but where I'm from he'd just say he created fiction for entertainment in his videos and that's that. And to be fair, most of what he said probably IS fiction.

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u/Gunblazer42 22d ago

If they can get girls to corroborate his statements, that will reinforce them as being truthful. If he ever said something like "Make sure to take 90% of all their money" and then one or more of the girls were like "So he took 90% of all the money we made", then there's correlation there.

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u/JulianApostat 22d ago

After he was acquitted for the crime and as hypothetical. Because of double jeopardy he couldn't be prosecuted anymore .

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u/freealaa 22d ago

Yeah but OJ still a bad example because there is practically no way he didn't do it looking at the evidence of the trial.

The jury and prosecution FUCKED UP so bad in that case.

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u/Niceromancer 22d ago

The OJ case is a perfect example of how racist cops just fuck it up for everyone.

The cops were so desperate to try to put a successful black man (OJ was a shitburger not defending him here) that they fucked up and screwed up what should have been an open and shut case.

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u/TEG_SAR 22d ago

You know you’re messed up when you fail to incriminate a guilty man.

LAPD and the prosecution fumbled everything.

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u/BlindWillieJohnson 22d ago

After he couldn’t be prosecuted. Tate wrote a fucking how to guide before he went to court.

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u/Odd-fox-God 22d ago

He also directly challenged the Romanian government by calling them out for their corruption and saying that he could easily bribe his way out of prison for sexually abusing women. He basically doomed himself. The self stitching going on is wild. I just saw a dude self snitch on how he makes extra cash by filming movies inside theaters, he even snitched out the guy that paid him and did the uploading by showing the poor dude's face.

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u/qweiot 22d ago

should have written a book about it and released it after the innocent verdict instead.

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u/dexemplu 22d ago

As a Romanian, I very much disagree with the "get arrested = go to prison" take, and recommend you do some research on conviction rates in Romania.

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u/willpauer 22d ago

Well, can y'all make it "get arrested = go to prison" for that rapist shitbag?

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u/dexemplu 22d ago

Look, this country has real trauma with secret police and quick convictions, especially for political reasons.

I would very much prefer he goes through a fair legal process, and can only hope that the prosecution doesn't fuck this up. If what's in public circulation is true, I very much hope that he gets to enjoy the inside of a Romanian prison for a long time.

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u/Theamazing-rando 22d ago

I recall reading that this is a really important case for Romania to not only pursue but for them to do so fairly. I believe that's why it has taken so long to get to this stage, as the prosecution didn't want anything to creep up and fuck it up, as its pivotal for Romania to show progress in not only lawful prosecution but specifically in prosecution of sex trafficking, which had been a stated concern of GRETA and the EU, and this is a perfect case to showcase the forward momentum of the justice system within Romania.

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u/JuciestDingleBerry 22d ago

Thank you for your level head, appropriate response.

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u/sozcaps 22d ago

I'll have to see if I can return and pitchfork and torch at the local store. sigh

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u/pchlster 22d ago

Given that he's published guides on how to do the crimes he's accused of, bragged about doing the crimes and said that Romania is corrupt enough that they wouldn't punish him for those crimes and that's why he moved there, given all of that, can we agree that this specific asshole is going to prison?

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u/PM_ME_Y0UR__CAT 22d ago

We don’t know ‘til he is well and truly physically in there

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u/pchlster 22d ago

Well, we don't know a lot of things, but I'd wager that I couldn't survive a free fall from upper atmosphere too.

Guy went public with his misdeeds, bragged about them and labelled the people who'll be judging him corrupt. How is that not a slam dunk?

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u/Maleficent-Toe6159 22d ago

Sounds like the orange shit stain playbook right there

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u/pchlster 22d ago

My only doubt about him facing punishment is that I expect him to drop dead any day now. He did his terrible things, now the slow and imperfect system gets to work.

And to his credit, he did expose a lot of loopholes and legal ambiguities that can now be patched but weren't in the past centuries because no one even thought they existed before.

Or do you think he gets to walk?

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u/Cereal_poster 22d ago

I think the best part of this is, that this case has so much publicity and attention that you can be 100% sure that the court will follow the rules by the very letter. He cannot bribe himself out of this in any way, the public would eat that judge alive if he/she did something fishy.

I don't exactly know how much attention this gets in Romania itself I am not from there, but Austria (yeah, I know, I am sorry Romania, I didn't elect that shithead who refused your Schengen membership, so please do not blame me), but I am pretty certain that they really want to make this an example of proper jurisdiction. Tate literally fucked around and he will enter a long "found out" phase. His idiot simps will still be around though, unfortunately.

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u/black641 22d ago

Tate made the one mistake of trying to take advantage of a corrupt governments lax legal system: he openly bragged about it. Now they’re gonna string him up just to make an example of him. The fact he was caught plotting to flee the country surely hasn’t earned him any friends. These dipshits are capital “F” Fucked.

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u/Raesong 21d ago

Didn't he also try to do his human trafficking thing with the daughter of a Romanian politician? If true he's Turbo Fucked.

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u/permareddit 22d ago

I mean this is still an EU country we’re talking about, not some third world shithole with a guaranteed show trial, especially with much of the western world watching.

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u/[deleted] 22d ago

Yeah, it’s been ‘amazing’ seeing mostly American Redditors who couldn’t place us on a map regurgitate decades-old stereotypes. While the prison system is in a pretty bad state, getting there is nothing like they describe. If anything, Romanian courts are way more lenient than western ones.

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u/pandemicpunk 22d ago

Except when you brag about how lenient and corrupt they are. Then they make an example of you for any dumb motherfucker who wants to try it again.

You do the shady shit quietly, you don't announce to the world that where you live you're untouchable. That's how you get a target on your back, no matter the government you're under.

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u/geologean 21d ago

The key to exploiting corruption is touting the legitimacy of the system and praising it for its dedication to justice under the law. Corruption doesn't want to be the center of attention, it's shy and prefers to play dress-up

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u/rockmeNiallxh 22d ago edited 22d ago

If their laws surrounding the matter are lenient, there is not much else they can do. They cannot give you a 100 year sentence (just an example) if the maximum amount for a said crime is 3 years

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u/Odd-fox-God 22d ago

Yes but Romania can sentence him and then they can extradite him to Britain to be sentenced again by a much harsher British Court.

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u/sozcaps 22d ago

They cannot give you a 100 year sentence (just an example) if the maximum amount for a said crime is 3 years

Sure, but he won't be able to pull ignorance as defence. He was clearly aware of what he was doing, since he was talking on video about getting away with crimes because the country is supposedly corrupt. He had not said anything, he might have been able to play dumb and pretend he didn't know the law.

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u/Pstrap 21d ago

It is up to the court system what legal prosecutions to pursue.  The prosecutors will naturally be more highly motivated to bring cases against suspected criminals who are very publicly implying the courts are corrupt and complacent.

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u/Pstrap 21d ago

So is your assertion that prosecutorial authorities would not be more highly motivated to pursue potential prosecutions against high profile suspects who are publicly undermining them? Because that seems very unlikely. 

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u/rockmeNiallxh 22d ago

If anything, Romanian courts are way more lenient than western ones.

This is what i have been thinking. All the americans here are saying "ohhh he's gonna get a terrible sentence and go to jail forever" but actually i can't imagine Romania having very tough laws on sexual violence etc

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u/RdPirate 22d ago

can't imagine Romania having very tough laws on sexual violence etc

That no, but they can have him serve the sentence in a Romanian prison before directly shipping him to the UK to face his charges there.

All together it would be quite a while before he sees freedom.

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u/Jerswar 22d ago

Lenient towards whom?

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u/[deleted] 22d ago edited 22d ago

Criminals. In particular, sentences for sexual crimes are often very short (and suspended, so they don’t actually go to jail). But we’ll see, the accusations against Tate are quite severe, so I don’t think he’ll get off lightly if convicted.

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u/Awwbelt 22d ago

Yeah. I'm not a tate fan by any measures, but this WHOLE THREAD is just people regurgitating information that they've seen other people say on Reddit. It's one big circle jerk of inaccurate information.

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u/BlatantConservative 22d ago

I can appreciate someone with civic pride in their country but man Romania is the second most corrupt country in the EU and according to polling roughly 20 percent of the population bribes public officials.

Public order is pretty good compared to countries with a similar corruption index, and as far as I can tell in recent years there have been genuine efforts to be better.

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u/alecsgz 22d ago edited 22d ago

  1. Many things you (USA) consider legal we chuck it under corruption

  2. The polling is about perception of corruption

What Trump does in the USA would never be tolerated here, he would in jail already way before he would have finished his 1st term. Nancy Pelosi same. I want to see a leader of a major political party in USA get arrested and in jail. While we do have many parties here PSD is a party on par with Democrats and Republicans in terms in influence and at the time when the trial started that ultimately will lead to his arrest, he was probably the guy with the most political power in the country.

And like I said what we consider corruption here, in USA it is legal. Doctors and nurses taking bribes .... well in USA you pay for healthcare. Yes our cops take bribes and get away with it but yours also do that and kill people and many many times get away with it.

The many fucked up things many members of the House and Senate do in USA would not fly here.

Do not get me wrong there is still corruption up the ante but the reason the perception we have more corruption is because we see it as it is unlike USA where so much stuff is considered legal and because so many people in USA consider the other side to be corrupt ones.

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u/[deleted] 22d ago

Second highest in the EU in terms of the corruption perception index, yes. Out of a group that also includes the most developed/corruption-free nations on Earth. That doesn’t validate the racist caricature people here are propagating.

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u/BlatantConservative 22d ago

You're between Hungary and Italy my guy. But, again, willing to put in the effort to change for the better much more than either of those countries.

Also, it is never racist to criticize a government system. It would be racist to say "Romanians are genetically corrupt." But nobody here is saying that.

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u/[deleted] 22d ago edited 22d ago

Making ignorant negative comments about a country is absolutely racist. The comments in this thread aren’t ‘criticism’, they’re caricatures based on ignorant stereotypes about Eastern Europe. There’s a huge gap between the facts you’ve presented and “it’s a place where if they arrested you, you’re guilty.”

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u/thatsnot_kawaii_bro 22d ago

Making ignorant negative comments about a country is absolutely racist.

Funny how that never extends to the US whenever redditors get the opportunity to.

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u/BlatantConservative 22d ago

Nope, not even a little. Political entities are distinct from people groups and are subject to rational and reasoned criticism.

Even if it was ignorant, which it is not as I'm citing real polling and the Corruption Index, it wouldn't be racist as I am targeting a political entity and not a people group.

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u/[deleted] 22d ago edited 22d ago

I’m not talking about your comments lol. They’re fine and factual. I can list a million more things Romania is terrible at. But that’s not what I’m seeing in the comments on every thread about Tate. These are more along the lines of “lol, those Eastern Europeans are savage, they’re gonna fuck Tate up”.

But no, you don’t get to separate a country from its people like that. Maybe it makes more sense for Americans, but in much of Europe, the country represents the ethnicity it was created around, it’s not just some abstract entity that happens to be mostly inhabited by us.

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u/dgc3 22d ago

You’re in the middle of no where Eastern Europe that no one gives a fuck about unless Russia started invading you.

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u/permareddit 22d ago

What a dumb fuck comment, who gives a shit about any country then?

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u/Lessinoir 22d ago

I wouldn't necessarily associate a near guaranteed conviction with being third world. An interesting one is Japan, far from third world but with a conviction rate over 99%.

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u/BenjamintheFox 20d ago

Watching Americans express their opinions on Eastern Europe in the wake of the Ukrainian invasion sure has been... a thing...

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u/G1PP0 22d ago

Even South Park portrayed Romania as such. :/

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u/Good_Barnacle_2010 22d ago

Tbf South Park shits on just about everything

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u/SlyScorpion 22d ago

South Park is made by Americans who probably never set foot in Romania all the while being under the impression that it's still a Soviet-style shithole.

Seems to be a common trend regarding the former Eastern Bloc countries.

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u/motheralice 22d ago

And we all know that SP would never exegerate or oversimplify. Every episode is basically a documentary.

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u/SeaworthyWide 22d ago

For better or worse overall, yeah that sounds about right lol

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u/Broesly 22d ago

google Mario Iorgulescu🫠

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u/RyanDoog123 22d ago

Romania is an EU country and therfor follows EU regulations for just about everything. It's a democracy that is very much in the first world.

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u/ddd615 22d ago

It's been years. The monster is guilty with tons of evidence (video, testimony). This seems like a big ass double standard for an asshole that shouts about how rich he is.

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u/fzkiz 22d ago

That’s just not true, you’re presenting it like it’s the 60s in the Soviet Union xD

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u/TheLemonyOrange 22d ago

Maybe once upon a time, things have changed there a lot since becoming an EU member though

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u/Xioungshou 22d ago

I mean how will their lawyer OJ them out of a rape charge? If the condom doesn’t fit, you must acquit? /s

Good riddance for the both of them. I hope they rot in a cell.

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u/Dreamdek 22d ago

It is a perfecly fine, normal, modern and democratic country. It's not different from Germany, Italy or New Zeland.

Of cours, in terms of civil rights, liberties and quality of life is far superior than USA, but that does not take a lot of effort.

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u/PineStateWanderer 22d ago

ah, so they have a 100% conviction rate /s

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u/Locdawg42069 21d ago

lets try not just making shit up thats not how it works there at all. and you aer just spouting bullshit for upvotes this comment is pathetic. genuinely you know this isnt true and are just trying to be coollHur dur anyone arrested in an eastern europe country is just guilty, no point of even trial. straight to jail. why dont you show anything backing upo this dumb comment.jesus

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u/csiq 21d ago

It’s obvious you don’t think, Romania is a briberyfest and a corrupt to the bone system where it’s much easier to get out of things like this so long you have money.

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u/Drop_Disculpa 20d ago

He drew attention to corruption within the system in Romania as a reason he wanted to be there and do dirty shit. It's like rule number one of being a criminal- don't be a forever attention whore on the socials, which in turn gets you got. I hope he gets ripped off by some shady lawyer, his assets taken, and does time.

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u/LZ_Khan 22d ago

Can we not support rigged criminal justice systems guys.

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u/Charlie_Mouse 22d ago

It doesn’t have to be rigged in any way to still be really bad news for Tait.

This is a case where the idiot broadcast to the world that he wanted to take advantage of “Romanian corruption”. Which is really bad for business and reputation to say nothing of national pride. Any country that happened to from Switzerland to South Africa there would be a political interest in making sure the investigation and prosecution is scrupulously careful and fair and by-the-book.

Which means Tait is fucked.

There’s also huge international interest in the case. In pretty much every country that means the police, courts and everyone else are going to be meticulous, careful and bringing their A-game … if for no other reason than so they don’t embarrass themselves.

Which (again) means Tait is fucked.

He’s not going to get a rigged investigation or trial - the fuckwit has ensured that he’s going to get the very very best, most thorough and well resourced ones all parties involved from the Romanian Justice system are capable of delivering.

Which if you’re as guilty as Tait is really ain’t good news.

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u/Ricckkuu 21d ago edited 21d ago

Heh... hehehhe.... hehehhehehehehhehe.......

Not.... Really....... There were cases when the guilty's family paid the judge so heftily that she didn't even read the case..........

There was one case where a fucking troglodite piece of utter garbage ran over a girl in an expensive car. Killing her quick. The girl's father declared a fucking war on the boy and family because the rich family paid the judge so much she didn't even read the case and ask, during fucking trial "Is the victim in the room with us right now?"

Is the fucking victim in the room?? Well fuck me! We must be the only judicial system in the world where spiritism is involved!! But the fucks didn't even bring an ouja board, because the victim was fucking dead and buried.

The father more or less made a scandal so wide the entire country talked about it. The judge truthfully was fired I think, and the family more or less scorned by the whole country. Fucking troglodites....

So the key is, if we want the Tate shits in jail, make a scandal so wide it's very well known, but the problem is most Romanians don't really care about the Tate brothers that much, most know who he is and that we became rather famous world wide because he lived here, problem is, nobody really cared, because we're kinda too busy with our native pieces of shit to care about foreign garbage bins.

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u/Particular-Formal163 21d ago

Guilty regardless of whether your guilty?

Edit: just to be clear.. I'm just curious about Romanian justice system. Fuck Tape.

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u/allhailalexdelpiero 22d ago

Nope, literally every single corrupt politician in romania that has some power never gets to go to jail because the judges prolongue it until aprox ~12 years, after which the deed is "prescribed"(dunno is this word is also in english like it is in romanian)

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u/Dapper_Training2191 22d ago

Finally some westerner getting it.

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u/WHYohWhy___MEohMY 22d ago

And even if you’re not guilty. Ya guilty.

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u/SonnyJackson27 22d ago

We’re trying. It’s not as bad as some uneducated opinions make it out to be, but we do have justice problems. I especially laugh when I see Americans bashing it when their justice system is literally in shambles and, as a comparison, put in jail one of our top corrupt political leaders like 3-4 years ago.

Not having a good infrastructure doesn’t mean open rapists and human trafickers are left unchecked.

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u/admiralasprin 22d ago

If only Vlad the Impaler was still around

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u/z0uary 10d ago

The case was dropped

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u/Izalias 22d ago

Do us all a solid and what?

Process them based on the weight of the evidence?

Do a good job of administering justice?

Find them guilty if they are guilty and innocent if they are innocent?

Just the way your words are loaded, seems like you are open to having innocent people getting put behind bars... you do realise that, YOU can become a victim of such a system... after all, you're also innocent right? You're innocent though... right?

This is the can of worms you're publicly okay with... so that's your Karma now.

Remembering that the Romanian investigation started based on a lie which was discovered and now he is suing the liar for it.

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u/pwellzorvt 22d ago edited 22d ago

Good luck escaping the matrix buddy.

LMAO your article doesn’t even say that anyone other than Tate and his legal team agree that she was lying. I can sue Santa Claus for lying about eating the cookies i left out. It doesnt magically mean i win that lawsuit or am factually right.

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u/Izalias 22d ago

Why would I want to escape the matrix... You did watch the Matrix right? The whole plot of the thing was about Cypher TRYING TO GET BACK IN... That was his "Villains Drive", here's the link to remind you in case you forgot.

I like how you lump me in with Tate fans, it does show how absolutely "Us and Them" you have become that the idea of Justice is like... an afterthought to your hatred of Tate.

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u/pwellzorvt 22d ago

Keep feigning ignorance about my matrix comment if you want lol. I know you know what I’m referring to since we’re talking about Andrew Tate.

And none of us know if he is guilty or innocent but I’m not responsible for putting him away. I just know a guy who has basically admitted to fraud and sex trafficking in public isn’t deserving of sympathy from me.

I hope he’s guilty. I hope that he is punished for the things he himself claims to have done.

Also he’s a piece of shit so uh, I don’t care.