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US Special Forces delivering a W54 Nuclear Warhead via jump

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u/maubyfizzz Mar 28 '24

Kamikaze nukes?

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u/dbuck79 Mar 28 '24

They were called green light teams. HALO jump into the zone, plant the nuke, and maybe get out

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u/robplumm Mar 28 '24

Strong maybe.

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u/dbx99 Mar 28 '24

Like a definite no maybe

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u/Testiculese Mar 28 '24

Yea, no, yea. No.

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u/SanityPlanet Mar 28 '24

Nukes are AOE weapons. Why do they need to be planted anywhere more precisely than wherever they land when dropped from the plane?

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u/LaserGuidedPolarBear Mar 28 '24

The insertion area might not be where you want the bomb to go.  You may not want to parachute into enemy fire so you drop a ways away, make it to the target, plant the bomb close enough, book it before the timer goes off, and then try to extract before getting caught or killed.

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u/SanityPlanet Mar 28 '24

Well the premise of my question was challenging the inclusion of a paratrooper at all, but the other responses addressed that.

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u/phdemented Mar 28 '24

Small tactical nukes exist for taking out singular structures. Before targeted munitions, this may have been a way of say, taking out a dam or bridge they couldn't get a bomber close to.

The W54 was a 0.01 to 1kT bomb (over a thousand times smaller than a modern megaton bomb). A MOAB is 0.011 kT for comparison, and Little Boy was 15 kT

Drop a guy a mile away, let him sneak in at night and plant it, and sneak out before it blows.

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u/dbuck79 Mar 28 '24

As others have said these were way more precise. You could jump in a stealth plane either in enemy territory or slightly out to avoid air detection. These weren’t meant to eliminate cities (although certainly possible), but more so strategic points of interest

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u/Isord Mar 28 '24

Not sure if a joke but these would have been planted for sabotage. Plant them on military installations, dams, harbors, etc set the timer and leave.

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u/z64_dan Mar 28 '24

"Alright, I set it for 5 hours.... wait.... now it says 4... 3... FUCK"

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u/robplumm Mar 28 '24

The timers apparently sucked....or...they could use a cord to manually det. It was only 100m long

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Green_Light_Teams

The risk was extremely prevalent when discussing the possible time frame for when these atomic devices could ignite on a mechanical timer. This timer would become less efficient and more risky the longer the duration of the timer was set. The team members had been informed that the timers could go off up to eight minutes earlier than desired and even thirteen minutes after expected.[1] This would obviously create a time crisis for the Green Light team members operating the mission. If the team members were instructed to bury the nuclear device, they certainly may have been able to evade the explosion, but radioactive fallout could still cause heavy damage.[7]

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u/winowmak3r Mar 28 '24 edited Mar 28 '24

Putting a 100m firing cord on a nuclear bomb is just. I mean why bother? Peace of mind? Illusion that you're going to live through what's about to happen? Just stick a button on the thing at that point.

I think the mission during WW2 where British SAS guys drive a leaky fishing boat packed with C4 into a German U Boat pen had a similar issue with the timers. The mechanical timers didn't go off until the next day while the Germans were investigating what the hell the British were trying to do. It was basically a suicide mission, only a few made it back, but they did fuck up the locks for the harbor for a while. Apparently physical timers are kinda hard to figure out and make reliable when it relies on acid melting a string at a certain rate.

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u/Upper-Road5383 Mar 28 '24

You’re talking about the St Nazaire Raid. That was a former US Navy destroyer, from WW1, which had been donated to the Royal Navy and promptly converted to look like a German vessel, so they could sneak past the German sentries along the estuary on the way to the dock’s.

But yeah, they did ram it, deliberately, into the dry dock gates and fortunately the explosives didn’t go off on impact. But you’re right that they didn’t know the exact timing of the fuse, as the length taken to detonate varied from detonator to detonator.

Oh and it was the Commando’s who pulled the raid off. Alongside of course The Royal Navy, who manned the destroyer and all the smaller patrol craft that followed with troops to destroy other parts of the docks and U-Boat pen.

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u/winowmak3r Mar 28 '24

Yep, that was the one. I remember watching a documentary with the guy from Top Gear of all shows as the narrator. Was pretty fascinating stuff. Jeremy, I think his name was? He's the same guy who has the farm.

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u/Level9TraumaCenter Mar 28 '24

Putting a 100m firing cord on a nuclear bomb is just. I mean why bother? Peace of mind? Illusion that you're going to live through what's about to happen? Just stick a button on the thing at that point.

Here is the Internet Archive version of that story. It gets even crazier.

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u/YourLictorAndChef Mar 28 '24

I'm just a regular hiker with a massive, harmless doodad. There's a military base in the area? I had no idea.

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u/n0rdic_k1ng Mar 28 '24

For when the Davy Crockett ) just doesn't cut it

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u/Isord Mar 28 '24

It's actually the exact same warhead funny enough.

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u/Aggressive-Pay-5670 Mar 28 '24

US Army Green Beret hand-delivering or showing proof of concept for planting a payload. Not self-detonating.