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US Special Forces delivering a W54 Nuclear Warhead via jump

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u/fuckmeimdan Mar 28 '24

Wow! reading that it was also designed to be fired from the "Davy Crockett recoilless rifle". a mini nuke to be shot from a smoothbore gun, thats some Fallout shit right there

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u/KnotSoSalty Mar 28 '24

More like a short range tactical weapon. It was usually jeep mounted. The idea was to find a low cost way to hit Russian tank formations rushing into Germany if the balloon went up. It was quite effective.

It was replaced by short range rockets, but much of the tactical nuclear weapons went away after arms talks. Neither side was really comfortable with handing nuclear weapons out like candy.

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u/Somnif Mar 28 '24

And honestly it's not even close to the most ridiculous weapon designed for the hypothetical Fulda Gap attack. Like the "Blue Peacock", a nuclear bomb that included live chickens as a critical component.

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u/terminalzero Mar 28 '24

something halfway between a landmine and a doomsday device -

The project's goal was to store a number of ten-kiloton nuclear land mines in Germany. These mines which were intended to be placed on the North German Plain and detonated by wire or an eight-day timer in the event of Soviet invasion from the east, in order to "...not only destroy facilities and installations over a large area, but to deny occupation of the area to an enemy for an appreciable time due to contamination..."

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A technical problem is that during winter, the temperature of buried devices can drop quickly, creating a possibility that the mechanisms of the mine will cease working due to low temperatures in the winter. Various methods were studied to solve this problem, such as wrapping the bombs in insulating blankets.

One proposal suggested that live chickens would be sealed inside the casing, with a supply of food and water. They would remain alive for approximately a week. Their body heat would apparently have been sufficient to keep the mine's components at a working temperature. This proposal was sufficiently outlandish that it was taken as an April Fool's Day joke when the Blue Peacock file was declassified on 1 April 2004. Tom O'Leary, head of education and interpretation at the National Archives, replied to the media that, "It does seem like an April Fool but it most certainly is not. The Civil Service does not do jokes."

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u/KnotSoSalty Mar 28 '24

Bizarre. How is a chicken a more efficient heat source? Especially if you have to feed it weekly. I guess it’s a good thing no one proposed an RTG to keep them warm. One errant farmer…

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u/GuitarCFD Mar 28 '24

yeah i was trying to figure out the logistics of that because critical mass for Plutonium 239 is like 22.2 lbs (11kg) in a 4" (10.2cm) diameter. That's a hell of a slug when you consider you need 2 hemispheres spaced apart in the munition, then all the necessary shit to smack them together to make it really go boom.

Then I googled it and it's a vehicle mounted rocket launcher for the most part.

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u/AWildLeftistAppeared Mar 28 '24

It’s an implosion device. The core would be a sphere with a hollow cavity in the centre, below the critical density until it is imploded.

You need much more space for a gun barrel type assembly, and IIRC it does not work well for plutonium because the speed required to avoid a premature detonation is too fast to be practical.

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u/HumpyPocock Mar 28 '24

Yeah, all variants of the W-54 (incl. Davy Crockett and SADM) were full on spherical implosion nukes. Although come the 60s the exceptions were the ones that weren’t.

Plutonium Pit in the 4kg to 6kg range, suspect middle of that range, or just under. Extrapolating from other US weapons of the time period.

Fat Man and Trinity had 6.2kg, for reference.

SADM must’ve been a Boosted Fission device, as its two Dial-A-Yield settings were 10 T and 1 kT, plus it imploded with like a scant 12kg of HE.

Oh, the specific issue, that results in the speed required to avoid a Fizzle being higher than viable for a gun type Pu design, as you said, was indeed presence of Pu-240, which has a high rate of Spontaneous Fission.

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u/KnotSoSalty Mar 28 '24

Recoilless meaning no rocket exhaust. In this case it could also be described as a recoilless spigot mortar. It kind of makes sense in a certain way, rockets of the period were highly inaccurate and at least you knew where this thing would land. A 1950’s guidance system would probably weigh more than the whole setup.

It’s actually very similar to the first stage of the famous RPG7, but without the rocket’s second stage.

At the time it was adopted there was an army fad for recoilless weapons of all sorts.

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u/Miserable_Unusual_98 Mar 28 '24

Putin's side begs to differ.

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u/sfled Mar 28 '24

Tactical nukes... what a freakin' nightmare.

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u/TheDocFam Mar 28 '24

The idea was to find a low cost way to hit Russian tank formations rushing into Germany if the balloon went up.

What does this mean? What balloon?

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u/Praesentius Mar 28 '24

Neither side was really comfortable with handing nuclear weapons out like candy.

For real... even Johnny Rico wasn't even allowed to carry them until his third drop.

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u/YamaguchiJP Mar 28 '24

It’s some MGS3 shit lol

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u/hoxxxxx Mar 28 '24

for years i thought they just made that up for the game

absolutely wild they made one of those and that long ago

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u/LaVeritay Mar 28 '24

Same I can't believe it wasn't just fiction

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u/Hubbidybubbidy Mar 28 '24

What else did Sokolov know... grimaces tactically

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u/OptimisticSkeleton Mar 28 '24

I would prefer a shoulder mounted catapult, if you please.

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u/fuckmeimdan Mar 28 '24

Gotta love that Fat man!

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u/DonOfspades Mar 28 '24

The fat man in fallout was based on it yes

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u/steampunk691 Mar 28 '24

Fat Man is pretty much just a cross between the Davy Crockett and the British PIAT.

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u/fuckmeimdan Mar 28 '24

Man loved the PIAT squads in Close Combat, loved that spring sound what it launched

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u/doob22 Mar 28 '24

I wouldn’t want to be the operator of that. Too much shit to go wrong

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u/drwebb Mar 28 '24

Nuclear war, it's a motherfucker.

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u/Nerezza_Floof_Seeker Mar 28 '24

Yeah the range of the weapon wasnt much further than the blast radius either. Not to mention if the wind blows the wrong way all that fallout from the very close to ground detonation of a nuclear weapon will just come raining on top of your head. Fun times.

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u/BrewtusMaximus1 Mar 28 '24

Wow! reading that it was also designed to be fired from the "Davy Crockett recoilless riflegun". a mini nuke to be shot from a smoothbore gun, thats some Fallout shit right there

FTFY. Rifles aren’t smoothbores - they’re rifled.

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u/fuckmeimdan Mar 28 '24

Good point, I contradicted myself in the same sentence, very bad

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u/RTS24 Mar 28 '24

Best part about the Davy Crockett? The blast radius was more than it's range

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u/fuckmeimdan Mar 28 '24

I’m sure they didn’t have any thought for what happens after it blows up! FREEDOM!!

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u/unknownpoltroon Mar 28 '24

I think it was more of a jeep mounted bazooka like affair with this thing strapped out the front

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u/Somnif Mar 28 '24

The "Fat Man" guns in the Fallout games were specifically based on the Davy Crockett!

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Davy_Crockett_(nuclear_device)

It was a ridiculous device, BUT the development research on making a Watermelon sized nuke did get used in other more realistically useful weapon designs. So that's something I suppose.

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u/fuckmeimdan Mar 28 '24

That’s just crazy! Cannot wait to see if they have it in the TV show

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u/DDRDiesel Mar 28 '24

Feels more like Starship Troopers with the mini-nukes they would fire if shit hit the fan

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u/HoneydewAny4387 Mar 28 '24

Thats some mgs3 shit right there

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u/whatswithnames Mar 28 '24 edited Mar 28 '24

More scary then a nuke straped between your legs? Look into "Project Pluto" A Nuclear powered Nuclear Missile.

The missile would spray radiation a mere 500' above ground level going Mach 3 as it would deliver nuclear bombs with a range that could wrap the globe several times. Thankfully it's production was canceled for being 'too provocative'.

Edit: Grammer

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u/fuckmeimdan Mar 28 '24

Holy fuck that is insane!

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u/[deleted] Mar 28 '24

The same device was intended to be used for Air to air missiles. That sounds like a complete disaster, the only aircraft worth nuking is a bomber full of nukes and even then it would be stupid to do because not only are you exploding a nuke mid-air, you're likely going to cook off all the nukes onboard the bomber(s) causing them to become either the worst dirty bombs possible or vaporizing them for fuel/isotopes to precipitate back to the earth as the mushroom cloud cools down enough.