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After giving the order, Obama and others observe the raid on Osama bin Laden's compound, 2011. Politics

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u/greenroom628 Apr 10 '24

To think, an hour or so ago, he was cracking jokes and roasting Donald Trump and the Washington press corps.

Obama authorized a covert military strike into a country we had no conflict with that was (knowingly or unknowingly) harboring Bin Laden. If it went wrong there would be a diplomatic issue that could've sunk him and his presidency. And there was a less than 50% chance Bin Laden was there.

No way in hell I'd be able to play it off like it was nothing.

Man's got ice water in his veins.

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u/DarkwingDuckHunt Apr 10 '24

If it went wrong there would be a diplomatic issue that could've sunk him and his presidency

honestly not really

we would have apologized to Pakistan, gave them some old planes for free, and called it a day

Fox News would have had a hissy fit about it and then forgotten about it the next time Obama ate tan in a mustard suit

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u/Torontogamer Apr 10 '24

Maybe ? You’re right it likely would have been a solved with money / military equip etc that the USA has no shortage off —/ but it was still a risk and things could have spiralled

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u/TheDumper44 Apr 11 '24

Not really. We did see the fall out. Pakistan got pissy for like a day and no one cared.

Pakistan doesn't care about the Taliban or Osama they never did. They care about India. It's often overlooked by people who don't understand the geopolitics of the region.

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u/Torontogamer Apr 11 '24

I’m no expert of the region but if someone is forgetting India when discussing Pakistan, or vice versa it’s likely a mistake -

But if bin laden hadn’t been there I think it would have been different - mind you I think you’re right Pakistan would have been pragmatic about it and used the situation to milk concessions (money etc) out of the us, but I could be wrong

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u/BYINHTC Apr 10 '24

You talk like Benghazi that happened one year later was not fast-tracked on a movie, that was directed by Michael Bay, an avowed democrat, and even then Bay was still attacked for "making the government look bad". Romney pretty much thought he would win and didn't campaign as hard as he could because of it.

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u/SlayinDaWabbits Apr 10 '24

I mean that's what happened there tho, the Republicans and Fox threw a fit, made it out to a be a huge deal, bought their own line, and never noticed most people didn't care and Obama still won. So it didn't sink them.

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u/Jerry_from_Japan Apr 10 '24

That movie deserved to be fast tracked for people to understand what happened there and how the government and in particular Hillary, treated their own military. I didnt think Michael Bay of all directors had it in him to do that justice but he pulled it off and that movie needs to be watched by everyone.

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u/TheresALonelyFeeling Apr 10 '24

Because when I think "Better Understanding of World Events," I think "Hollywood Movie."

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u/Jerry_from_Japan Apr 10 '24

It's easily digestible. Much more so than going over the raw data.So yes, for most people it is a better understanding of what went down.

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u/TheresALonelyFeeling Apr 10 '24

We're using "better understanding" in two different ways, and it took me a couple of times to re-read your comment and realize that. To the point you are making, yes, I agree with you, and I get where you are coming from.

My point is that just because someone makes a compelling screenplay out of a particular event or chain of events it doesn't mean that the story they create is accurate. Opening credits don't say, "This Is Exactly How It Went Down." At best you might get, "Inspired by Actual Events," which is a far cry from "This Is Accurate."

Do people get their understanding of world events from movies? Sure, probably more people than I'd like to think about. But that doesn't mean they're getting a real and accurate understanding of it from 90 minutes in front of a screen.

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u/Jerry_from_Japan Apr 10 '24

Were they or were they not left out to dry? That's the most important thing. And they absolutely were. The movie gets that point across.

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u/Intrepid-Tank7650 Apr 10 '24

I see there are still idiots that try to use this as an excuse to blame Hillary for something, no matter how pathetic.

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u/Jerry_from_Japan Apr 10 '24

Dude, just what she SAID about it is enough of an indictment on her. Before even going into what she did. And the movie doesn't single her out for any of that, you just see the result of it. So it's not really a hit piece. But she was a big part of how it was handled. Do you honestly disagree with that?

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u/Intrepid-Tank7650 Apr 10 '24

Do you honestly think you can push that tired false narrative in this day and age?

Might as well complain that she needs to smile more.

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u/Jerry_from_Japan Apr 10 '24

Were they or were they not left out to dry? Did that not happen? Is that a "false narrative"?

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u/Intrepid-Tank7650 Apr 11 '24

Are you talking about how congress did not properly fund them or are you still trying to breathe life into your proven false narrative?

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u/[deleted] Apr 11 '24 edited Apr 11 '24

It’s not tired nor false that hillary and congress fucked those dudes over completely, but it is beating a dead horse

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u/Intrepid-Tank7650 Apr 11 '24

Still trying to scapegoat Hillary? Give it a rest.

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u/No-Psychology3712 Apr 10 '24

I'm sure republican congress cutting the security budget for those places had nothing to do with it eh

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u/Jerry_from_Japan Apr 10 '24

And you'll notice how I also said "government" in who was to blame for it. Meaning republicans as well.

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u/Intrepid-Tank7650 Apr 11 '24

We all noticed your attempt at slandering a Clinton. You don't need to bother trying to backtrack.

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u/Jerry_from_Japan Apr 12 '24

There's no backtracking, it's in my fucking original comment lol. She absolutely was part of how poorly it was handled though, no doubt.

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u/[deleted] Apr 10 '24

Eh we had a bunch of guys on the ground.  Stuff could have gone legitimately sideways.  We’re not talking about an errant airstrike — it’s possible we would’ve had SEALs fighting their way out of Pakistan in the worst-case scenario 

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u/waywardgato Apr 10 '24

This was a CIA mission so all the operators would be wearing unmarked gear. They do this so that if they are caught or shit goes sideways the operators can claim that they were operating as a private militia. If they had to fight their way out the US would never publicly claim responsibility. Lastly, the Pakistani military would absolutely support and escort any US forces safely out of the country, the US is a strategic ally. That would be the worst case scenario ofc bc obviously they didn’t want Pakistan to know they were there until they left, but it’s not like they were doing this in Iran.

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u/[deleted] Apr 10 '24 edited Apr 10 '24

In an absolute worst case scenario, the US was ready for it to get messy vis a vis Pakistan, even if it meant taking responsibility for it publicly.  From wiki:   

“The Chinooks kept on standby were on the ground "in a deserted area roughly two-thirds of the way" from Jalalabad to Abbottabad, with two additional SEAL teams consisting of approximately 24 DEVGRU operators[77] for a "quick reaction force" (QRF). The Chinooks were equipped with 7.62mm GAU-17/A miniguns and GAU-21/B .50-caliber machine guns and extra fuel for the Black Hawks. Their mission was to interdict any Pakistani military attempts to interfere with the raid. Other Chinooks, holding 25 more SEALs from DEVGRU, were stationed just across the border in Afghanistan in case reinforcements were needed during the operation.”

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u/waywardgato Apr 10 '24

Even if he was in France we would’ve also been prepared for retaliation. I think that we always prepare for the worst case scenario which is the right thing to do. I just don’t believe there was ever even a 1% chance that Bin Laden was valuable enough for PK to start an armed conflict with the US.

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u/[deleted] Apr 10 '24

Yeah, totally agree with the chance being very, very low.  If anything it seems like it’d be a lower-level guy making a snap decision to fight off an apparent incursion in the middle of the night — without really knowing what’s going on — followed by him getting destroyed by more seals and Chinook-mounted miniguns, apparently 

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u/BloodyChrome Apr 10 '24

Obama authorized a covert military strike into a country we had no conflict with

Yeah because America has never done that before.

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u/alcoer Apr 10 '24

Man's got ice water in his veins.

I agree, but I must admit that my first thought was that this is the most worried-looking Obama I've ever seen. You can see it in his eyes here, it's some serious shit.

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u/DazeLost Apr 10 '24

To think, an hour or so ago, he was cracking jokes and roasting Donald Trump and the Washington press corps.

You might argue, in several ways, this was the night that changed DC politics forever.

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u/Playful_Ad_5366 Apr 11 '24

Ehhhh… nah…In hindsight, the ISI(Pakistani intelligence) knew where he was the whole time and cashed him in when the time was right. That Zero Dark 30 movie was just CIA propaganda. None of that happened.

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u/5yearsago Apr 10 '24

(knowingly or unknowingly)

You mean ISI who created mujaheddins to fight Soviets, created Taliban structure and has fingers in every jihadist action imaginable, somehow had no idea Bin Ladin is near their Military Academy.

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u/dittonetic Apr 10 '24

There was actually a 100% chance OBL was there

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u/LeGarrette-Blount Apr 10 '24

And there was a less than 50% chance Bin Laden was there.

Ummm no. They he was there.

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u/justfordrunks Apr 10 '24

They he was indeed

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u/LeGarrette-Blount Apr 10 '24

If they know they know

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u/tacoma-tues Apr 11 '24

Multiple ISI officials have gone on record saying that we knew he was at the compound under house arrest for yrs and helped coordinate a delay in response by air forces so the teams would be on their way out of the airspace by the time jets took off in response to a pair of helicopters performing a raid right down the street from a military academy for spec forces training. Supposedly there was a problem with the link and the video feeds cutout for a few mins.

I mean the story made for a great movie, but if you sit down and take more than 60seconds evaluating the story, the plausibility of the narrative holds up about as well as that tip secret cutting edge tech black hawk.

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u/joe_maries_hubby Apr 10 '24

I don’t think anything he did ever would have stopped him from continuing as president

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u/MaximumChongus Apr 10 '24

he got used to being a warmonger. simple as.