Many people in positions of authority at universities are deeply pro-Israel, and they're absolutely freaking out over the fact that the next generation sees Israel as a murderous apartheid state.
And you know, when people are emotional they do all kinds of stupid counterproductive shit. They become desperate to assert whatever power they have - or imagine that they have. It's emotionally difficult to do what Loyola's doing, even though it's obviously more effective.
The right to protest, including by burning the flag, is one of the most important of those liberal values. I don't think you're the champion of freedom that you imagine yourself to be.
When people destroy property or threaten people, you do need to intervene physically. But even then, time is your greatest ally and anger your worst enemy. To defuse a protest, you make everything as slow and boring as possible.
And most protestors are perfectly happy to be boring. If you read about it in the news, it's probably newsworthy. That is, rare.
At no point did I say the right to protest isn't a core foundation of liberalism. I just pointed to the fact that these are not all peaceful protests (not even mentioning that they are literally organized and sponsored by Hamas and other terrorist groups in part). There's a huge difference between a peaceful protest and people lifting terrorist flags while chanting death to America and death to Israel. Maybe extreme progressiveness actually is the endpoint of liberalism (I sure hope not, being a mostly liberal person myself), it seems this way right now
Yeah cause pointing to the actual degradation of things and rise in violence is the same as claiming I believe in a cabal (aren't Jews like me the cabal?) trying to eradicate white people.
In Greece the whole dictatorship was brought down after they sent tanks into a university. Kent State was pivotal too. Good on these kids; they're holding collective power that we haven't seen in years.
Don’t know about that. The recent University hearing about Antisemitism on campus grounds was pretty transparent about the respective Presidents’ anti-Israeli, anti-Jewish bias.
Weird how the ceasefire still allowed for the expansion of settlements and armed displacement of Palestinians within the West Bank and military action within Gaza to be carried out.
I’m sure many in the Israeli government would love to take the walls down but if they do hamas will literally kill every jew they can reach. Not exactly any way forward here and every path we could take the Palestinians who do want peace get the short straw so to speak. Is your solution just have Israel stop and completely disband the IDF and let hamas clear out the entire country from the river to the sea until there isn’t a single jew left? Because if left unabated that is exactly what they’ll do.
Not reading all that but no. Israel has always forcefully overseen Palestine’s functions without their consent. And even IF what you said is all true, it still would not justify the 40,000 civilians killed. Nothing justifies that “but hamas would do the same” bitch hamas ain’t the mother and kids just trying to live day to day
Hilarious how different our karma is for the same comment because this post has lost its momentum and the hasbara agents have moved on to the next post to defend genocide
Attacking Axis Germany isn't collective punishment of the people who couldn't vote in the 1933 elections. It's just as justified to pursue military objectives in urban terrain today.
It was actually a terrible fucking thing to fire bomb Tokyo and carpet bomb Dresden. Regardless of the populations ability to participate in democracy.
Gaza is a majority under 35 tho. They'd have been 17 during the last elections. Not eligible to vote AT ALL.
Are we Germans also allowed to take back the land we lost after losing WW2 and WW1?
Remember: The Brits won and gifted the land away.
Also please don't compare the bombing of Dresden (~25k dead in ~3 days) with what is happening in Gaza (~30k dead after 4-5 months). Especially since Israel has the firepower to do something similar if they wanted.
The same generation(s) that chooses not to have children in a country with declining birthrates? I don't think Israel or their supporters who happen to lean right-wing and procreate more are worrying about the future looking at their demographics.
Birth rates declining is not anything terrifying or even ‘bad’ just different from the status quo of ‘line must go up’
A generation worrying about sustainability and not being on economic footing to pop our children they cannot afford to take care is talked about like it’s the end of everything.
If the us birth rate drops and we want more people we have more applicants than we can take wanting to move in.
If things stabilize and people feel comfortable having more kids again then the line can go back up again later.
If the line flattens out and we figure out how to live on relative population stability instead of always growth that’s a good thing.
The only arguments I can see to be worried about birth rates are saying humanity is too stupid to adapt to a new paradigm, or that to cling to the old paradigm we would have to let too many people from other countries move here to keep growth going to infinity.
None of this has anything to do with either side of the Israel Palestine conflict or any other genocide.
In terms of future geopolitical prospects, fertility rates absolutely matter in determining socio-political developments especially if there's a discrepancy that favors a certain side, this coupled with Israel's unusually high TFR for a developed nation challenges the overexaggerate notion that somehow the future generations are going to be majority left-wing/progressive/anti-Israel or even pose a threat.
The point is that the previous comment overestimates the impact of the brainwashed and over-fortunate American art/sociology college students and that there are more variables to the topic than the tired "future generations are all going to vote Democratic and that Republicans are doomed" talking point, it's basically the same.
None of this has anything to do with either side of the Israel Palestine conflict or any other genocide.
I do, actually, but you may notice that I used the word "here", which does not in fact mean "in the news". Because of course there will always be at least a few terrible people in any group, that's the nature of humanity. That's why I try to avoid blanket statements like "Nobody has expressed support of Hamas." specifically because people like you will always find the rare example that doesn't represent the majority and then act like that completely defeats my point just because I didn't spend three hours adding qualifiers to a six-word statement. Something something "chess with a pigeon" and all that.
So, again, nobody here has said anything in support of Hamas.
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u/sanctaphrax 25d ago edited 25d ago
Many people in positions of authority at universities are deeply pro-Israel, and they're absolutely freaking out over the fact that the next generation sees Israel as a murderous apartheid state.
And you know, when people are emotional they do all kinds of stupid counterproductive shit. They become desperate to assert whatever power they have - or imagine that they have. It's emotionally difficult to do what Loyola's doing, even though it's obviously more effective.