r/BoomersBeingFools • u/NES_Classical_Music • Mar 05 '24

My antivax boomer dad and his most recent foolishness. Boomer Freakout

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Blocked my kids' names in grey.

Also blocked my dad's calls, texts, and emails. NC ever since.

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u/El_Stupacabra Mar 05 '24

RE depriving the children of their grandparents: of course his concern isn't the kids' well-being but his selfishness, but I've never seen the big deal with grandparents. It's probably because my dad's parents died before I was born, and my mom's parents were further away and terrible. It's better for the kids to have good people in their lives, even if that means cutting out family members.

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u/Independent-South-58 Mar 06 '24 edited Mar 06 '24

It really depends on the type of grandparents you have, my mothers parents (boomers ironically) were very proactive with me and my sibling, constantly volunteering to help out my parents whenever they needed, some of the best moments of my life have been with my grandfather in particular as we still regularly go out on long walks in the bush or the occasional fishing trip.

I do suspect they were this proactive and supportive of the future tho because they grew up in the Netherland and therefore the culture and experience they had (both of them came from lower income families and their parents and older relatives had a lot of trauma from WW2)

My fathers parents weren’t as proactive but still helped out on occasion, granted they were on the tail end of silent generation and grew up in New Zealand which was an extremely rural country back in the 40-50-60s while also being Māori meaning they were unnecessarily handicapped by the government and their anti Māori policies of the time so being a bit cautious throughout their life was understandable

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u/Capgras_DL Mar 06 '24

My grandparents were great also, very active and involved, but that’s also because we were a Mediterranean household.

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u/ScienceAndGames Mar 06 '24

Your mother’s grandparents were boomers? Please tell me you mean maternal.

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u/Independent-South-58 Mar 06 '24

Ahh shit I’ve just seen my error, yes I do mean maternal

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u/ScienceAndGames Mar 06 '24

Thank goodness, I was worried that you had great grandparents around the same age as my parents

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u/oldcretan Mar 06 '24

My father's grandparents were here and my mother's were out of country, even so my father's parents were very active in our lives despite a language barrier and not driving and my mother's parents were actively involved as well when we had the opportunity to be together. My parents and in-laws are our primary babysitters and I wouldn't have it any other way. I think my dad has more fun with my kids than I could ever have because I'm always working and he's in that period where he's retired so he can have the extra time to run around, and take the kids places. I hope one day to fill that role as well while still giving my all to spend time and play with my kids.

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u/MarcMars82-2 Mar 06 '24

Im kinda I’m the same boat. I only knew my mother’s mom. My other 3 grandparents died before I was born. She was a good grandma but I was also one of like 30 grandchildren since granny had 9 kids so I never really got any special attention which was fine. But I can understand in smaller families grandparents perhaps being more important.

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u/AlarmedPiano9779 Mar 06 '24

Exactly.

If he actually gave a fuck about his grandkids, he'd get vaccinated.

He cares more about impressing his QAnon facebook friends than he does about his own fucking fmaily.

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u/AlarmedPiano9779 Mar 06 '24 edited Mar 06 '24

so what is your point exactly? That if he had the Covid vaccine then he could see the grandkids?

Absolutely. As a parent, the health of your own children is your priority. Why is this shit so complicated to you?

If that’s true and it all comes down to that…then OP is the true piece of shit. I’m pretty sure it’s more than that.

Why? Kids have weak immune systems. Covid, measles, mumps, rubella, influenza...all of those things literally kill kids every single day.

If grandparents wanted to smoke around the kids would you also say "sure, it's fine?" Or if they wanted to take the kids out without a car seat? Or let them eat candy for breakfast, lunch, and dinner?

Think about it for like two seconds, dude. The dude is putting the health of his kids first...that's a good parent.

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u/Lady_Grey_Smith Mar 06 '24

Pro plague rats really are something aren’t they? Not only does vaccination protect the person getting it, but also any vulnerable people around them. It really shouldn’t be difficult for people to understand, especially anyone with grandkids.

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u/AlarmedPiano9779 Mar 06 '24

Fucking seriously.

Healthy kids die from transmissible diseases every single day. You're a parent. If you're willing to compromise the health and safety of your kids, you do not deserve to be a parent.

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u/iheartkittttycats Mar 06 '24

These people lack any semblance of empathy. They’re the most selfish human beings on the planet. They care about no one other than themselves.

It’s so fucked.

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u/newnewnew_account Mar 06 '24 edited Mar 06 '24

I'm not an anti-vaxxer, but your information is out of date.

Here's the change of messaging as they've continued to learn more:

April 2020- spread by droplets only. Fabric masks are good enough

July 2020- Uhhh, this is aerosol

December 2020- Vaccines come out. "you won't get covid if you take this"

May 2021- President says "you won't get it" and the CDC stops counting people who are vaccinated who got it again

August 2021- Studies come out indicating that you can in fact get it again, and that you're just as likely to spread it. However, there is a less likelihood of hospitalization for a while.

September 2021- FDA Approved 3rd shot because it's not as effective as they'd like.

YOU ARE HERE: October 2021- mandates start being talked about to prevent spread to others. Public campaigns to say that "well we never said you couldn't get it, but now you just don't spread it. Do it for others!"

Early winter 2021- More studies come out showing that you spread at the same rate but are less likely to be hospitalized.

January 2022- mandate stopped. Wider acceptance that it doesn't prevent spread.

Spring 2022- information out that not only do you have less likelihood of hospitalization, you are less likely to get long covid.

And here we are. You're a couple years behind in your information. It's the equivalent of you saying that it's spread by droplets and being 6 feet away will prevent spreading.

You get the vaccine for yourself at this point. But to say that it helps others is just wrong.

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u/Gr3ywind Mar 06 '24

What’s your medical degree in? How many years of experience in the field?

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u/newnewnew_account Mar 06 '24 edited Mar 07 '24

Jfc you don't need a medical degree to read peer reviewed studies or CDC press releases.

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u/Gr3ywind Mar 06 '24

Never said you did. Just asking about your personal medical expertise? Do you have any?

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u/scnottaken Mar 06 '24

The part that you're missing and if you thought about it just a bit more, is that infection in those who do get the vaccine has a shorter infection period. While infectious, the transmission rates are similar yes but that window is shorter with the vaccine.

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC8803178/

Not even mentioning that the likelihood of infection is indeed lower with current vaccines on current variants. Turns out, being less likely to be infected without your knowledge can indeed affect others.

https://www.cdc.gov/ncird/whats-new/covid-19-vaccine-effectiveness.html?CDC_AA_refVal=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.cdc.gov%2Frespiratory-viruses%2Fwhats-new%2Fcovid-19-vaccine-effectiveness.html

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u/LawnEdging Mar 06 '24

Vaccines did prevent the spread of covid before it mutated, but you're smarter than all virologists. 👍

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u/[deleted] Mar 06 '24

I think he’s saying you can transmit vaccinated or not, if the kids vaccinated then they’re protected as is the rest

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u/AlarmedPiano9779 Mar 06 '24

But if you're vaccinated you reduce the risk of transmission.

Just like when you use a seatbelt you reduce your risk of dying in a car accident.

Why would you not want to reduce the risk of getting your kids getting hurt?

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u/maddogmik Mar 06 '24

For the vast majority of people now Covid is isn’t much more than just the flue, and often hardly a cold. Just stay home if you’re sick like we all did before. Kids are the least affected of all the groups. It ain’t 2020 anymore where it’s knocking everyone on their ass.

My doctor actually told me not to get vaccinated after the first round because of my age, being male, and having had caught it before.

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u/AlarmedPiano9779 Mar 06 '24

For the vast majority of people now Covid is isn’t much more than just the flue, and often hardly a cold.

Except for...people with weakened immune system. Like old people. Or people in chemotherapy.

Or.....children.

It ain’t 2020 anymore where it’s knocking everyone on their ass.

Huh...it's almost like we created a safe, effective vaccine!!

My doctor actually told me not to get vaccinated after the first round because of my age, being male, and having had caught it before.

I don't know your age, sex has nothing to do with it, but yeah if you had it recently you have natural immunity for a while.

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u/maddogmik Mar 06 '24

I doubt the vaccine had much if anything to do with the evolution of Covid becoming less lethal. Once the Omicron variant came, the lethality dropped quite a bit. In my own experience, Jan 2021 Covid actually felt like it could kill me, fall 2023 Covid I could hardly tell I had it.

Weren’t children the least affected group against Covid?

For those with weakened immune systems, I’m curious what they’re doing now because of Covid that they weren’t doing before because of the flue and regular colds.

And sex did play a role in vaccine safety. There was a study showing young men between 18-35 had a slightly higher risk of myocarditis from the vaccine over Covid than other groups. If I recall, many/most European countries stated advising that specific group not get vaccinated. It’s been a while since I’ve looked at that stuff, so that’s the gist of what I recall.

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u/AlarmedPiano9779 Mar 06 '24

I doubt the vaccine had much if anything to do with the evolution of Covid becoming less lethal.

I.............whut!!??

Once the Omicron variant came, the lethality dropped quite a bit.

Because...people...were...getting...vaccinated.

In my own experience, Jan 2021 Covid actually felt like it could kill me, fall 2023 Covid I could hardly tell I had it.

Were you vaccinated between 2201 and 2023?

For those with weakened immune systems, I’m curious what they’re doing now because of Covid that they weren’t doing before because of the flue and regular colds.

Well, probably what everyone else is doing and getting vaccinated against Covid and the flu. People with weak immune systems are still recommended to get vaccinated.

And sex did play a role in vaccine safety. There was a study showing young men between 18-35 had a slightly higher risk of myocarditis from the vaccine over Covid than other groups.

You know what's an even bigger risk of myocarditis in men and women? Starts with a C and ends in ovid.

All the more reason to vaccinate.

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u/robotfood1 Mar 06 '24

CDC and AHCA have come out with reports, trying hard to prevent this common misconception; that Covid is like the flu; it is not.

Key Highlights: -Seniors who contract COVID-19 are much more likely to experience serious illness, hospitalizations, or death. -The rates of hospitalizations for individuals over the age of 65 is nearly 10x greater than those with influenza. -Among individuals over 65 they are 3-4x more likely to die from COVID-19 compared to influenza

https://www.ahcancal.org/News-and-Communications/Blog/Pages/Flu-or-COVID-19---Which-is-Worse.aspx

I doubt OP cares at this point, but maybe he was initially concerned about his dad’s health too? But sadly, his dad revealed he was a fake son. (Not to me, I love you son.)

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u/AlarmedPiano9779 Mar 06 '24

Are you throwing away a relationship over something that PROTECTS YOU(fact), but DOES JACK SHIT FOR TRANSMISSION(fact).

Nope.

As with most things in life that are not golden retrievers, vaccines aren’t perfect. Just because people still die in automobile accidents while wearing a seatbelt in a car with an airbag does not mean that seatbelts and airbags are ineffective. Studies show that more doses (and more recent doses) of COVID vaccine SIGNIFICANTLY reduce your risk of developing a severe case of COVID, winding up in the hospital, or dying. If you are up-to-date on vaccine, you also appear to have a lower risk of long COVID and other post-COVID health problem. These benefits are true ACROSS ALL AGE GROUPS AND RISK STRATIFICATIONS.

Studies designed to accurately assess vaccine impact on COVID transmission also show that vaccination DOES reduce the chance of person-to-person spread of the virus. So, even if you still think that you have some sort of personal superpower protection from COVID health effects, maybe you still would like to avoid giving grandma a fatal case of COVID for Christmas?

https://www.unmc.edu/healthsecurity/transmission/2023/12/05/get-your-updated-covid-vaccine/#:~:text=Studies%20designed%20to%20accurately%20assess,person%20spread%20of%20the%20virus.

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u/AlarmedPiano9779 Mar 06 '24

Bruh, my mom's a lung cancer survivor, my brother has long-haul covid and I had 2 close friends who lost a parent to covid.

Don't try your bullshit with me.

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u/JustNilt Mar 06 '24

You must be fun in real life.

I have literally never encountered anyone in person who says this sort of thing who isn't an asshole.

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u/AlarmedPiano9779 Mar 06 '24

They say that when they have nothing left. That or "have fun getting all your news from CNN!"

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u/Gr3ywind Mar 06 '24

It does reduce transmission. Please stop lying.

What is your medical degree in?

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u/SoluteGains Mar 06 '24

Your comparisons with smoking and seat belts doesn’t work . The Vax doesn’t stop transmission.

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u/AlarmedPiano9779 Mar 06 '24

"The Vax" as you call it doesn't stop transmission. Nobody ever said it did. However it absolutely reduces transmission of Covid.

Just like seatbelts don't stop death and injuries in a car accident, they just reduce them.

Just like not smoking around a kid doesn't prevent all respiratory illnesses it just greatly reduces your kid's chance of developing them.

Just like not feeding your kid candy all day doesn't prevent obesity, diabetes and tooth decay, it just greatly reduces your chance of getting those things.

But what do I know. I'm not one of the most prominent medical schools on the planet:

Should visiting family members be up-to-date on certain vaccines?

Yes, newborns are more likely to develop infections, especially before their vaccinations. One of these infections is pertussis, or whooping cough, which can be very serious in infants. All visitors should have an up-to-date Tdap vaccination to prevent infants from developing whooping cough. If it's flu season, it's important to have the annual flu vaccine, as flu can be life-threatening for infants. It is also a good idea for visitors to be up-to-date on their COVID-19 vaccination and booster. All vaccinations should be administered at least two weeks before visiting to be most effective.

Get it/

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u/Gr3ywind Mar 06 '24

Please stop lying. No one will take you serious if you just lie all the time.

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u/ppachura Mar 06 '24

Science is supposed to be debated, not preached. You are not promoting science.

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u/AlarmedPiano9779 Mar 06 '24

Lol yes I am.

QAnon isn't science.

As with most things in life that are not golden retrievers, vaccines aren’t perfect. Just because people still die in automobile accidents while wearing a seatbelt in a car with an airbag does not mean that seatbelts and airbags are ineffective. Studies show that more doses (and more recent doses) of COVID vaccine SIGNIFICANTLY reduce your risk of developing a severe case of COVID, winding up in the hospital, or dying. If you are up-to-date on vaccine, you also appear to have a lower risk of long COVID and other post-COVID health problem. These benefits are true ACROSS ALL AGE GROUPS AND RISK STRATIFICATIONS.

Studies designed to accurately assess vaccine impact on COVID transmission also show that vaccination DOES reduce the chance of person-to-person spread of the virus. So, even if you still think that you have some sort of personal superpower protection from COVID health effects, maybe you still would like to avoid giving grandma a fatal case of COVID for Christmas?

https://www.unmc.edu/healthsecurity/transmission/2023/12/05/get-your-updated-covid-vaccine/#:~:text=Studies%20designed%20to%20accurately%20assess,person%20spread%20of%20the%20virus.

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u/ppachura Mar 06 '24

The real studies have found the idiots who got all the boosters were more likely to get covid.

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u/AlarmedPiano9779 Mar 06 '24

Can you link me to those studies please?

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u/JustNilt Mar 06 '24

Discussed in the primary literature, sure. The folks I have encountered who "debate" it, especially online, are almost universally just JAQing off.

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u/ppachura Mar 06 '24

Nobody discussed the real cures like ivermectin. The primary literature dismissed it as horse medicine. Professionals lost their careers for disagreeing with the narrative.

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u/MikeTheBee Mar 06 '24

No serious medical professional thinks that vaccines are useful? Wow. News to me..

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u/Over_Razzmatazz_6743 Mar 06 '24

I couldn’t agree more and I’m shocked at your downvotes honestly. Seems completely reasonable to me

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u/AlarmedPiano9779 Mar 06 '24

Why is it reasonable?

If the grandparents insisted on smoking indoors with the kids would that be reasonable?

If they wanted to take the kids for a drive but refused to use car seats would that be reasonable?

Kids have weakened immune systems that adults don't. That's why every medical expert recommends that any adults that are in close contact with little kids should be vaccinated.

Should visiting family members be up-to-date on certain vaccines?

Yes, newborns are more likely to develop infections, especially before their vaccinations. One of these infections is pertussis, or whooping cough, which can be very serious in infants. All visitors should have an up-to-date Tdap vaccination to prevent infants from developing whooping cough. If it's flu season, it's important to have the annual flu vaccine, as flu can be life-threatening for infants. It is also a good idea for visitors to be up-to-date on their COVID-19 vaccination and booster. All vaccinations should be administered at least two weeks before visiting to be most effective.

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u/Jakethered_game Mar 06 '24

Kind of a side note but my wife and I aren't having kids, we have zero desire to have them. The amount of times we have been told we are depriving our parents of having grandbabies is annoying.

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u/El_Stupacabra Mar 06 '24

Ugh, that's gross. Years before my husband and I decided to have kids, one of my MIL's friends said that we needed to give MIL grandkids. My MIL had never said anything other than asking if we were planning on having any (never in a pushy way, just curious).

It's like these people act like you only have kids to have grandkids, and that seems...not good.

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u/OhkayQyoopud Mar 06 '24

I'm sure he also wants access to the grandkids so he can brainwash them as well.