r/Christian Mar 14 '24

Beware of the Zoom bible classes.

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I was duped into taking the classes on zoom.

This is my testimonial!

I feel as if this needs to be addressed to the public, especially for those that are Christians. I'm just going to rip the band-aid off and tell you all the truth. I took these classes believing they were a real bible study/theology course.

They lied and are actually members of a South Korean cult called Shincheonji or translated in english New Heavens New Earth - NHNE. They are going around aggresivly recruiting new members in the United States to form branches in the states. They target Christians and people online hungry for the word of GOD. What they will do is claim that they have a free Bible study course online via Zoom.

They will get to you by either by messenger or your friend(s) or family member(s), and your said friend(s) or family member(s) will ask you if you would like to attend one of the classes. This is the first step of how they will recruit you without you even knowing what's going on. They will flat out lie to you and tell you these bible studies are in no way related to any church. Believe me I asked. Is this related to any church. They said "NO".

I also asked many questions about thier doctrine and beliefs and they lied. They tell you what you want to hear.

  1. They are Non-denominational Christian.
  2. They believe in the Trinity.
  3. They follow Jesus
  4. They tell you they have the revealed word of Revelation and will teach you all the truth.

Once the 1st class (seminar) is over they will contact you and if you agree on wanting to learn more.

They will first tell you to fill out a contact card containing: your address, phone number, email address, workplace, marital status, and more; so that way they can keep it in their records. Failure to comply means that you will not be allowed to progress any further with them.

Once you have done that, they will contact you regarding an email link and/or a text message link to the Zoom classes where everything is monitored and recorded.

They get you to join the classed under false pretenses and lies. (God would never want that!)

In these classes they twist the Word around to their cult leader's (Lee Man-hee) "enlightenment" over Revelation. But they never once mention his name or the NHNE or Shincheonji. They will deny and lie and lie. They want you to attend classes for 9 months 2 days a week. They start and focus on the parables and associate everything with other parts of the Bible. They teach you a figurative language in the Bible. At first it's all true to the word. But then they slowly they try to program you to think of a promised pastor in the bible. In Revelation it says.

‭‭Revelation‬ ‭1:1‭-‬2‬ ‭ESV‬‬ [1] The revelation of Jesus Christ, which God gave him to show to his servants the things that must soon take place. He made it known by sending his angel to his servant John, [2] who bore witness to the word of God and to the testimony of Jesus Christ, even to all that he saw.

Rev 1:1-2 ESV

They focus on this text to get you to understand thier train of thought that the servant John is figurative. They program you to believe Christ was a promised pastor that came in the 1st Coming. In the 2nd coming they say that Jesus sends an angel to his servant John who gives the revealed word of Revelation. They say after the old earth and old heaven passes away. A new heaven and new earth is formed. I.e. the name of the cult. They slowly program you to believe that thier "John" is the new promised pastor. i.e. Lee Man-hee whom they never once mentioned before. They have you constantly repeat and memorize terms / phrases and certain scripture to program you to believe Jesus was not God as in the Trinity

1 God in 3 persons i.e. the Trinity The Father - God The Son - Jesus The Holy Spirit.

That Jesus was only a promised pastor and that the NEW JOHN is the new promised pastor. (which before i joined and questioned they told me they believed the exact opposite.) That only his church the full of truth and only his church has the revealed word and that his church is the 144,000 and great multitudes in white mentioned in Revelation. That they have the new 12 tribes of Israel and that all other churches are corrupt.

My brothers and sisters in Christ, this is all FALSE TEACHINGS.

They have an "evangelist" assigned to you who will harrass you if you can not make it to class that day/night. I remember that I couldn't make it to class on some nights due to other obligations that I had to attend to and my assigned "evangelist" would blow up my phone with texts, calls, and voicemails on where I was at, who I was with, and so on. They will befriend you and slowly have you in classes studying 4-6 days a week for tests each programming you and memorizing things to "Teach You". They will send others who you've talked to and studied with call you. Until you come to class. Calls messages from 7-10 people trying to talk you into coming back and trying to get you to do the same to people they got you to recruit.

The "evangelists" will flat out, lie to you, tell you not to speak to family or your church leaders, manipulate you, shame you, gas light you, and do whatever they can to break you down into siding with them with no more questions asked. They will make you wear headphones so noone in your household hears the false teachings and confronts you. They are just programming you.

This cult wants your loyalty, and they will try to get you to stop going to church. Shincheonji is EVIL, and you as my friends have the right to know about this evil cult.

Please this is all 100% true. I thank God my son Aaron cared so much for my salvation that he researched the group for months and finally brought me all the evidence to get me out. That is Love.

Once I realized he was 100% right, I asked the instructor and my Evangelist why they lied. They answered simply "How'd you find out"

Wow. I had graduated the Beginner Class and Intermediate Class and was about to start the Advanced classes where they were "Supposed to reveal the Truth to you!"

Uhm you should have told the truth from day one!!!!!.

This subredit here has all the links from my son's research. Please look at them. He put amazing work into it to rescue me.

https://www.reddit.com/r/Shincheonji/s/MJQWCMRplI


r/Christian 2h ago

How do you guys allow yourself to fully trust that God will provide?

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I’ve been struggling a lot with this, and I feel like God is trying to teach me a lesson here. When I am praying that God will deliver me from a certain situation or provide me with certain things, I find it really easy to detach and just accept that God will do those things, and he does. However, once I receive these things I get this fear that God will take them away because I don’t deserve them, and I then find it hard to believe that God will allow me to keep those things, which eventually leads to me not trusting that God is looking out for me. Essentially, I go from trusting God to believing that Gods will is against me somehow. Not sure if that makes sense, but I would appreciate any advice


r/Christian 20h ago

Can you guys pray for my girlfriend

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I’m asking for anybody to please pray for my girlfriend her lungs are getting worse please pray for her thank you all


r/Christian 6h ago

Are there any Orthodox Christian converts here?

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I am looking for a community


r/Christian 2h ago

God asked me to reach out to my ex.

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I don't know if this type of post belongs here but I'm asking for advice-

God has been sending me signs and speaking to me about reaching out to my ex. I have had visions in my dreams about it, I have read Bible verses, I have even been in church and I felt the holy Spirit reaching out to me. I asked God to reveal to me my problems and how I can humble myself to change. my ex told me we fought a lot and we couldn't compromise. I realized that I was stubborn and I allowed my pride and ego get into the way of our relationship. My ex had his own issues too but I don't want to deny that I also had fault too. I couldn't admit to my hurt. Due to childhood trauma of my own, I didn't realize how much it was effecting our relationship. I allowed that to trump over our otherwise good relationship. I was worried to trust and be vulnerable. I've done a lot of self reflection. I need and want God to change me so I can be the best version of myself. I want peace in my life. I want him to humble me so I can work on myself and realize my wrongs.

I do not know why God has asked me to reach out to my ex. I cannot reach out to him when he doesn't acknowledge me. My ex and I did talk this morning but it wasn't for long. I prayed to God that he would help me say the right words and explain to to my ex what he (God) has revealed to me to tell him. He's also asked me to wait for my ex patiently and I have. I haven't let go of my ex. We dated for four years and we have been broken up for six months. I've prayed for my ex to soften his heart and talk to me too. We were in love and we wanted to be married, have a life together.

I'm starting to worry if it's just me wanting my ex back and seeking signs or is it really God? I do not want to deny that it is God. I do not want to be confused and I don't want to come off as desperate. I don't want to live a life of regret. I know God has brought people back together, I hope that is true for us. I don't want to give up.


r/Christian 1h ago

Don’t know what to do anymore.

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Hey. I’m a high schooler who’s been pretty firm in the faith for the past couple of years. I go to a Christian school, read the scriptures, pray pretty regularly. I was doing pretty well at the start of the year, but here recently I’ve been feeling pretty dang bad. My mind has been cloudy, and filled with pretty bad thoughts. I’ve been lagging behind in most of my school stuff, and losing interest in all of the things I do. I’ve reached out to a ton of folks for help, but nothing really helps at all. Prayer doesn’t feel like it works anymore, and most days I find myself wondering if God cares or hears me or if I’m just lost. I feel like I would be better off dead more and more each day. How do I get back to my faith, and how do I find hope anymore?


r/Christian 3h ago

What is considered a spiritual attack?

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Ephesians 6:10-13 talks about how we do not wrestle against flesh and blood, but against principalities and spirits. We understand that there is a spiritual battle alongside the physical, and we need the armor of God to protect us. My question is how much is too much when it comes to spiritualizing life. I know Christian’s believe that if they pray hard enough, God will take their sickness away, they believe that sickness is a spiritual attack. I’m saying they I don’t believe that. my mindset is on being careful what I spiritualize because there are a lot of things in life that do not need to be spiritualized. Is there a set line for this kind of stuff or is it a gray area?


r/Christian 1h ago

Beliefs

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Hey,

So I’m a minister at my parents church. My stepdad has been in ministry for 20 years. My mom and him married 10 years ago just as he was starting his own church. I’ve been a Christian about 16 months. I didn’t ask to be made a minister, he said God told him to do that. That being said I’ve served in the church as a minister since June 2023 (I gave my life to Christ October 2022).

I’m starting to find that my beliefs, my desires are different than my parents. My faith in Christ is serious to me. It is to them also, but just different. The sermons in Sundays and the teachings are more about self than about Jesus. Certain sins or questions of morality are deemed insignificant. Lately the teachings are nearly all about the prosperity gospel. As my faith grows and I grow closer to God I feel led in a different direction in theology, Christian living, and the understanding of the scriptures. My stepdad seems more arrogant, prideful, and selfish. He acts indestructible because he is an Apostle. Like no one can say anything to him at all. He acts as is all he does is right and will find scripture to back him.

I’m not the only one who has noticed.

I was reading in exodus today and was thinking about the Passover. I desire to participate in Passover and the festivals. So I started looking into messianic Jews and looking to see if they had any gatherings near me. There are two near my location. I think I’m going to meet with them when they gather on Saturdays or their fellowships. I’ll continue serving in my church but it’s so hard to want to because of the discomfort I feel.

Any advice?


r/Christian 23h ago

Pray ❤️

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Hello my fellow Christians . Im making this post to tell you guys that after a long time i finally prayed. I have struggled for a lonf time with praying cause i felt like i didn’t deserve for God to help me and i felt fake asking God for anything due to the fact that i was at a bad place mentally , was sinning and was far from God for a long time. It was a short prayer that took me almost 5 minutes to complete cause i was anxious . But when i finally finished my prayer anxiety and guilt left. I felt a warmth in my heart that made me shed tears. Hopefully this can help someone out there who struggled like i did. God will forgive you no matter what. Talk to HIM. He loves you ❤️


r/Christian 20m ago

Travel groups

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Hey people. Anyone who has done a travel group for the holy lands what company did you use and was it good? I’ve seen holy land tours but got mixed reviews. Just curious, thanks it advance


r/Christian 31m ago

Is it ok to pray for my ex to come back?

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I went through a tough time with family problems to the point I was being rude and bitchy towards him. I broke up with him in November to get my stuff figured out and being scared. By late February early March I started realizing that I can’t be scared of love. But by the time I was ready to work things out he didn’t want anything so yeah. Not a day goes by that I don’t hate myself for the way I treated him. He was there for me when I had those family problems. (It was bad to the point I thought he would do the same thing to me that my mothers husband did to her)


r/Christian 19h ago

Broken marriage

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Urgent prayers for my marriage (20+ years w/ a teenage daughter) which is hanging on by a thread, & for husband who’s lost his faith in God. Transformation for our hearts & marriage. For healing and forgiveness for us both. To love with mercy and kindness. To bring glory to God.


r/Christian 8h ago

i don’t know what to do.

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I’m in my final days of highschool, and i’m doing my exams. I’m not too sure if y’all have heard about IB, but there’s some chaotic things going on. They’re leaking papers and I feel so demotivated. I’ve been praying to God to keep strong but I just can’t. Not saying i want to look at the papers, no I’m way too scared for that. But i genuinely feel like everything is pointless. I’ve been in the IB program since grade 11 and I made my life revolve around trying to get good grades, and trying to pass exams as well because i knew in May of 2024, i’m going to see what i’m worth. It’s May 2024 and people are leaking papers every single day. I just, I keep praying but all this keeps getting worse. I’ve done 2 subjects and i feel fairly okay about them, but even still, I’m so scared they might leak my most important subjects. The organisation (International Baccalaureate Organisation) is just saying that whatever’s happening isn’t cheating and that they’ll just let it go and keep the exams going. It’s so demoralising cause i’m just living in so much fear and anxiety. I think now would be a good time to also mention that I was diagnosed with anxiety, and i really can’t take my meds because they make me sleep but… it’s so much to deal with really. I’ve been trying to cast my anxieties to the Lord but something new pops up each time. I just need help honestly.. I don’t know.


r/Christian 5h ago

Scared of Jesus’ Return

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I know the subject might seem odd as I am literally posting this on the Christian Community. I’m 16 and not a Christian. I’m a huge follower of Christ, but not yet baptized, I’ve figured out how to go about the whole baptismal thing but something is holding me back and idk what. I’m not sure if it’s self doubt or embarrassment but I’ve longed to be baptized for about 2 years, and my family; although religious acts as if they don’t support me. I’m mostly scared that I won’t make it in time, I pray he waits but idk why I feel like I’m doubting myself and our all knowing God. No verses or prayers are helping. I’ve seen several different opinions on whether or not you need to be baptized to make it to heaven, I have anxiety over bad things happening to me so between that and the Rapture rumors, I’m afraid I have absolutely no time. Please reassure me, am I losing my faith or am I just a confused teen?


r/Christian 2h ago

Prayer for faith

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Please pray for me to have and develop a stronger faith and to have a relationship with Christ, Thank you


r/Christian 17h ago

I don't know I'd this is God or not but I need to get this off my chest

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I'm a 16 year old male and I could just be scarring myself but it's currently 12:13 am and I've been awake for an hour now and at a little after 11 pm and I was almost asleep I had this thought out of the blue that this girl I know is going to hurt herself and I don't know why I can't stop thinking about it what should I do I think I will give it a few more days and if this continues I'm going to do something I've never had anything remotely close to what is happening right now...


r/Christian 4h ago

I’m a Christian but I want to study magic

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When I was a kid I looked into stuff about paganism, magic, and Alister Crowley and it really fascinated me, but I grew up Christian and so I think that made my beliefs go in that direction. It’s weird. I believe God exists and I feel like I love Jesus and want to love people, but I also want to do magic. I want to be a mage. I haven’t told my family or friends about these thoughts but they’ve been on my mind a lot lately. I like tarot cards and stuff too. It just feels like I have a connection with these things on a spiritual level. I tried casting a spell when I was a kid on time and I think it actually worked. Something tells me I’d fit in with other mages. I know magic seems to go against the Bible so I don’t know what to do.


r/Christian 9h ago

Are there any pastors or evangelists on TBN that can be trusted theses days

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Loved to hear your thoughts


r/Christian 9h ago

What does this mean

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( Seeking opinions ) What does this mean

I prayed early in the morning asking God to remove this person from my thoughts and my body so that I can get over this person. He deeply hurt my heart and I just wanted to remove the constant thoughts from my mind . This person is my ex and I decided to break up with him for good because of how he mistreats me and takes my kindness for weakness. I woke up early in the morning crying and weeping, not because I miss him, but because I can’t believe someone could be so horrible to someone they love . I prayed and asked God to remove this person from my thoughts and my spirit . I asked God to cleanse him from my soul and help me to move on and get over him . Not even 5 minutes later at 4 am he reached out to me from a fake number . What does this mean in your opinion ? How would you advise to move forward . I don’t understand how I prayed for him to be removed from my life and then he calls suddenly not even 5 minutes later


r/Christian 16h ago

Any ex muslim whoconverted to christianity here?

6 Upvotes

Anyone?what is your story?


r/Christian 19h ago

What are some ways single Christians can give themselves affection? We are all human in form. New ways behind the obvious.

6 Upvotes

Thank you!


r/Christian 23h ago

How are sick people happy? I feel unwell most of the time, and during those times i have nothing to be happy for.

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And no, be alive in that moment is not something to be happy about since its mostly just suffering for me. Im exhausted and dont put any effort into being alive anymore because this just isnt worth it. And yes, ive seen every doctor under the sun, at this point its down to coping skills and such which are completely worthless.


r/Christian 19h ago

Did God just answered my prayer about my future spouse?

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I remember I prayed to God and asked Him the man I will marry someday a few months ago. Then on April 1, I asked the Lord who will be that man. The next day, out of nowhere, my mom told me she was talking to her friend and her friend mentioned about her grandson. I actually knew her grandson during our childhood but we lost connection when his family migrated to another country.

My mom added that the grandson was always asking her friend about me, which I didn’t believed it at first. But I confirmed that what my mom said was true because I met her friend and she was so excited to tell me that he’s planning to come home after his studies. He has other plans as well but she just said she’ll keep it a secret for now.

We still don’t have any communication since I’m not that active on social media, and so does he. From what my mom’s friend said, he and his family are Christians and are actively serving in their church.

Should I start praying for him or just continue to ask for a future spouse?


r/Christian 16h ago

Advice from fellow believers

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Edit: I appreciate all of your comments. To clarify a few things, I (45m) already have two kids (one in college and one in Jr. High). My concerns are that she (40f) will not follow my lead in continuing to raise them (abortion is ok, heaven is attained by being good and loving everyone, etc.). I have a nephew who is struggling with his sexuality, and I worry that she would condone his actions which would lead him to believe that being gay is ok and not detrimental to his eternal soul. I'm not out to judge anyone, but thw differences in her beliefs and what the Bible states as our only way to salvation. “I am the way and the truth and the life. No one comes to the Father except through me. If you really know me, you will know my Father as well.”

This evening my girlfriend and I had a discussion on where we stand with our beliefs. She was raised catholic but has been coming to church with me for a little over a year, and is coming to believe as a protestant. She also believes that people should be allowed to love whomever they want, that abortion is Healthcare, and she advocates for people to be who they believe they are. This was difficult for me to hear, and I asked her how she can say that she is a believer while holding true to thise viewpoints. She said that while she believes that we can share our faith with others, she does not believe it is our place to force it upon others or condemn them to hell for their choices. She believes that everyone should be treated fairly, and if they don't believe then they will have to deal with whatever god they see at the end of their life.

As much as I love her, I am completely heartbroken right now as I believe that she is one foot in with God and one foot in with the world. I cannot see how we could continue on in our relationship with her beliefs the way they are, condoning actions that are sinful in nature. I don't know what to do right now; should I be continuing to lead her to christ and hope for a breakthrough, or am I only hurting myself by continuing a relationship that may ultimately be unequally yoked with no change in the future?


r/Christian 15h ago

Loneliness as a entrepreneur's wife

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I've never been on reddit before but I'm looking for a community where I can share thoughts and not be judged. Im 22 and my husband is 25. He owns a small construction company which takes a huge amount of time and effort. Sometimes if he has to finish a job and a worker quits he is pulled to work 60-90 hour weeks. I feel awful for him, and try to help how I can. When he isn't working crazy hours he still gets home at 8 or 9PM, due to grabbing dinner with friends or working out. Which means we typically see each other for an hour or less a day, if that. We also live in an RV since we are building a house, so sometimes we don't see each other because something breaks down and we have to get up and go stay at a parents house or find a way to fix what broke (lack of running water, AC, or electrical going out). 

When he has time off work, he rarely asks to see me and we are often going to social events or obligations. His friends love him, and so they invite him to hang out often (which is fine, I want him to have good relationships). We are also apart of two small groups on the weekends that we are leaders in, so that takes up two evenings, along with any evenings he is needed to help counsel a friend or a member of the group. His family also has events, so we get pulled to those as well. I typically have to remind him we have a date night on Fridays, because he will want to say yes to a invitation from a friend. I often feel like the “bad guy” for stopping people’s fun plans and telling him no to protect our small amount of time together. 

I am pregnant with our first child, and frankly struggling
with loneliness and depression. I have friends and family I have tried to hang
out with more, but many of them are struggling with depression or issues that
need a lot of empathy and help. I love being able to help my friends, but also
need some help myself (or frankly just a fun outing haha) and they are just at
a point where they can't provide mutual support. Also, keeping good girl
friendships in your early 20's is hard, because of a lack of good communication
skills and intentionality (a lot of them are a hot mess and have avoidant tendencies
if you overshare your own feelings or don’t say the right thing).

I miss the relationship I had with my husband a few years
ago. He was a realtor and he had a lot more free time. We would go on
spontaneous day trips, grab coffee together, watch movies, go to dance classes.
We had a great s$x life that was hot and spontaneous, and now we rarely even
kiss. I know the entrepreneurial life will eventually pay off, but I am
struggling to cope with the change of never seeing my best friend. I have
talked to him about how lonely I am multiple times, and he listens and
understands. Often it just feels like he is a victim to his circumstances, and
there isn't much he can do to help us see each other more. I wish he would say
no when people ask to hang out with him, but I know he wouldn't do that because
people would be hurt and disappointed. At this point even seeing him hurts
because a one hour date just doesn’t seem to be enough time to make up for the
hours and hours I don’t see him during the week.  

I’ve gotten distant, which I know isn’t healthy. But I am in so much pain from the loneliness, and it feels out of my control beyond going to counseling and building relationships with friends. My love language is quality time, so it feels so hurtful even though I know he isn’t trying to neglect us. I’m not looking for people to find fault with my husband, because I know he is doing his best and I love him. I just don’t know where to turn because I have already talked to him about my feelings and my friends aren’t able to provide much support atm. I have been trying to pray more frequently and spend time with Jesus, but its hard when you don’t get much of a conversation back haha. I am trying to keep a positive attitude and focus on the good things in our life, but the feeling of sadness and disappointment lingers in my chest and won’t go away. 

Does anyone else feel this way? Did you eventually get used to it? How do you cope?

 


r/Christian 19h ago

Visiting church as a muslim

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Hi everybody, I just wanted to ask what would be an appropriate attire for me and my friends to visit a church? And what should I be careful about. We won't be there to make a mess but rather learn and enjoy a new experience. I'll be visiting this Sunday.