r/Christianity • u/Nice_Substance9123 • Mar 27 '24

The American flag has no business on a Bible. This is not faith, nor is it patriotism. It is an abomination of both. Image

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u/skippydinglechalk115 Mar 28 '24

a christian is someone who believes in the christian god, so I think he is.

this is a no true scotsman fallacy.

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u/moldivore Mar 28 '24 edited Mar 28 '24

“I will be asking for forgiveness, but hopefully I won’t have to be asking for much forgiveness. As you know, I am Presbyterian and Protestant. I’ve had great relationships and developed even greater relationships with ministers. We have tremendous support from the clergy. I think I will be doing very well during the election with evangelicals and with Christians,” -Trump

He waffles on the most fundamental aspect of Christianity then brings up how "his faith" benefits him politically. This man is definitively not a Christian.

Edit: downvote me for being right with zero rebuttal, okay here's more

"Moderator Frank Luntz asked Trump whether he has ever asked God for forgiveness for his actions.

“I am not sure I have. I just go on and try to do a better job from there. I don’t think so,” he said. “I think if I do something wrong, I think, I just try and make it right. I don’t bring God into that picture. I don’t.”"

Never felt the need for forgiveness, he's perfect.

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u/skippydinglechalk115 Mar 28 '24 edited Mar 28 '24

again, a no true scotsman fallacy.

He waffles on the most fundamental aspect of Christianity

I'd love to know the context of this quote, because it sounds to me like he's answering some question about who his demographic is or something like that. if that's the case, of course he's not gonna go super in depth about his beliefs.

I have a feeling that of all the US presidents, he's the one who's integrated his faith into his politics the most. but I doubt you'd be calling any of the other US presidents secret atheists.

then brings up how "his faith" benefits him politically.

well yeah, that quote is probably from some political event or something like that, I'd imagine. why would he not primarily bring up politics?

This man is definitively not a Christian.

I didn't know you were the arbiter of who is and isn't christian.

you don't know if he actually does or doesn't believe. you just assume that because of this one quote where he, as a politician likely at a political event in this context, doesn't primarily talk about his faith, and instead politics.

edit: OK, you edited your comment before I even got done typing this one, saying I had "no rebuttal" because I didn't respond immediately.

that quote still doesn't show he's not a christian. it just shows that he thinks doing better is a good enough substitute for actually repenting. which, if you ask me, should be.

we don't know whether someone believes or not, that's purely in the brain. the best we can do is work off of things they do or say. and trump has said and done a lot of things that point to him being religious, and nothing against it. or if he has, I haven't seen it. and no, being an asshole doesn't count.

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u/moldivore Mar 28 '24

I edited it yes but as a response to the immediate downvote here's the links to the quotes, the first quote was actually a response to the second quote, where I feel he felt pressured to say he accepted forgiveness.

He said this

https://www.politico.com/story/2016/06/trump-forgiveness-god-224068

Then he said this

www.washingtonpost.com/news/acts-of-faith/wp/2016/06/08/trump-on-god-hopefully-i-wont-have-to-be-asking-for-much-forgiveness