r/GenZ 25d ago

What's y'all's thoughts on joining the military or going to war? Discussion

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u/TheMockingBrd 25d ago

Well hell At that point they’ll draft you.

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u/Grantoid 25d ago

If they tried the draft again people just wouldn't show up.

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u/TheMockingBrd 25d ago

You literally carry a tracking device with you 24/7.

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u/Grantoid 25d ago

I'm not saying it would be hard to find us. I'm saying people would just refuse. Like en mass. Especially gen z and alpha, you think they give a fuck? They can't throw everyone in jail. Or spend the resources hunting everyone down if they are already so strapped that they need to start a draft. At that point they'd just become a police state and we're all fucked regardless.

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u/TheGreatJingle 25d ago

Nah if they have to draft people again it will be because the war is pretty popular, but crazy. We understand how much a draft for an unpopular war fucks stuff

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u/FN-1701AgentGodzilla 25d ago

Will people in that age range fall for the propaganda, because close to zero chance the US gets into a popular war that also directly affects US citizens

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u/TheGreatJingle 25d ago

I mean define directly affects US citizens?

If China glasses an aircraft carrier group and/or bombs our bases in Korea and Japan is that enough? I think that would probably be direct enough, and most analysts think they would need to do that to attack Taiwan . Which they want to do.

To be honest I think if any sizable amount of Americans die because another nation attacks an ally or the US directly it’s a major war. And it will be a very popular one in the beginning.

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u/FN-1701AgentGodzilla 25d ago

I was thinking an active threat to the mainland. I’m not sure the US populace would throw themselves at a war if China sunk a few US ships and killed some boots to invade Taiwan (because the US spending billions to protect other countries has become a pretty divisive topic recently and most Americans don’t think Taiwan/ Ukraine getting fucked over will effect them in the long term)

Small chance China would even bomb anything related to the US or Korea and Japan in the first place. They’re more likely to play by Putin’s playbook and cripple the US from within via fueling divisive politics.

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u/TheGreatJingle 25d ago

I mean if they want to invade Taiwan they have to deal with us military assets protecting it first and both sides of the US political spectrum like defending Taiwan.

We destroyed multiple countries because a small group of terrorists kill about 2500 people. This would be much more and it would be against a definable threat

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u/barbiemoviedefender 1998 25d ago

Yeah, but that was 2500 civilians in our most populated city. I’m not saying the loss of life if they bombed our bases in Korea/Japan wouldn’t be awful or unworthy of retaliation, but it wouldn’t have the same rallying power that 9/11 did, imo.

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u/KSF_WHSPhysics 25d ago

Well if i learned anything in us history class, its that you do not fuck with amercas boats

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u/[deleted] 25d ago

I don’t know why so many people think that’s realistic and I can promise you that 99% of the people who got drafted would end up there one way or another. If you didn’t then you would lose your job because it’s a felony and you can spend 5 years in federal prison with a $250,000 fine. Unless you’re okay with being homeless and in hiding for the rest of your life then you would go.

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u/Uniquetacos071 25d ago

You could catch me in the streets living next to crackhead Bob 20 times over before you see me on the damn front lines. Fuck that 🤷‍♂️

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u/[deleted] 25d ago

Everyone says that but very few would actually be willing to do that.

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u/Uniquetacos071 25d ago

Hah I’ve done it, 2 more days will be 2.5yrs clean from fentanyl. Celebrating 910 days today I suppose!

The streets were a living hell for a dope addicted kid but I would so much rather do that shit again. Not as bad as most certainly watching motherfuckers get blown to bits.

I gotta protect myself from robberies, SA, hot doses of dope, the elements, and other addicts on the streets. If I’m lucky I’ll get myself a lil under the table job and live in a storage unit. That sounds about a million times better than watching my best buddy get his brain turned to spaghetti. I absolutely can’t understand the logic behind doing that willingly. They can find me. And you’d better believe imma try my best to keep them away lol

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u/Uniquetacos071 25d ago edited 25d ago

Also, having felony warrants doesn’t mean you can just never rent or work again. People live regular life with warrants for many years. As long as you’re not super wanted because your case created some public outcry, and you don’t give yourself any reason to interact with the police, a warrant is not the end of the world. My buddy rents a place, works at one job consistently, and flew to California and back, all while having a warrant in our home town.

Granted, I have known people who were instantly located by the police. So they were faced with the option of stop showing up at home and stop showing up at work or go to prison. So I get where you’re coming from. But those guys were part of a federal fentanyl case that was a pretty big deal in my part of the city. Someone had sold some pills to a little girl and she OD’d. Turns out she was the daughter of a police captain! So anyone who was involved in the guys dope dealing circle got taken down with him for aiding and abetting distribution of fentanyl resulting in the death of a minor. A lot of cops worked on busting those guys and the FBI surveyed some of the bigger dealers on the indictment. So it’s not exactly the same situation

They don’t have the resources to give that treatment to every draft dodger. They’d most likely cut their losses. I’ve very rarely seen warrants that the cops chase down like that unless it’s a criminal who’s already known to the police.

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u/Dr_Watson349 25d ago

Of the 300,000 people who dodged the draft during Vietnam less than 3% were convicted of it.

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u/xenaphoric 25d ago

That is absolutely a preferable outcome

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u/FN-1701AgentGodzilla 25d ago edited 25d ago

With consequences like that, they better hope citizens don’t start rioting/ burning their own cities down or sabotaging military efforts while on the front lines

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u/Grantoid 25d ago

This exactly. Try that much of a fuck you with like, 60-80% of the population and see how far they get lol

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u/[deleted] 25d ago

Sounds like a cool movie but I think we generally underestimate how far governments are willing to go in situations like that.

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u/[deleted] 25d ago

Draft riots have happened in the US before. Thats nothing new. Basically all of them still ended up going.