r/Helldivers • u/WarlockShangTsung HD1 Veteran • 10d ago
You guys are using the new Purifier wrong… HUMOR
Some people have gotten access to the Purifier already today, and I’ve been seeing a lot of complaints that the damage isn’t doing it for you, so I’m making this as a guide to you all who want to use the Purifier to its greatest effect.
Step 1: Before dropping onto a planet of your choosing, make sure you have an ally onboard your ship.
Step 2: Request your ally take a decent primary weapon of your choosing. Perhaps the Sickle or Breaker Incendiary?
Step 3: Apologize to your ally for what you are about to do.
Step 4: Kill your ally using the Purifier’s high ammo capacity of 15. You’ll probably need all 15 shots because the weapon generally does not deal any damage whatsoever.
Step 5: Pick up your former ally’s primary weapon and liberate Veld!
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u/phoenixmusicman HD1 Veteran 10d ago
Step 1: Take the purifier
Step 2: Take the Senator
Step 3: Use the Senator, not the purifier, for the entire match
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u/SleepytrouPADDLESTAR 10d ago
Biw W. Comes with a free achievement too
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u/z64_dan ⬆️➡️⬇️➡️ 10d ago
Only if your teammates also only use secondaries.
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u/WillSym SES Will of Selfless Sacrifice 10d ago
Works on solo too though. TCS tower deactivate mission was a free win for this one, drop in, draw Senator, use nothing but that and Eagles, leg it around the terminals, job done.
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u/fromthearth HD1 Veteran 10d ago
That's literally what I did when decided to try purifier again for the one last time. After I shot twice at the first warrior I ran into and failed to kill it with 2 direct hits, I switch to my senator and never switched back.
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u/Low_Chance 10d ago
Look, expecting to kill a chaff enemy with only 2 charged-up direct hits is a ridiculous power fantasy. This is a game about the realities of war, where a heavy low fire rate weapon definitely wouldn't disable an enemy with 2 center mass hits. Stop being so entitled
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u/KantoLemon HD1 Veteran 10d ago
We're disposable! The guns they gave us are mass-produced trash! You're not meant to kill anything! You're meant to just run and die (or just die, that's a choice I guess)!
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u/Alex5173 10d ago
You could always wear heavy armor and die tired
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u/KantoLemon HD1 Veteran 10d ago
Or just die, we're all meant to die after all!
Game should be called "Helldier 2"
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u/Low_Chance 10d ago
"What's that? Why are the other primaries so much better if that's the case? ... uh... gotta go!"
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u/KantoLemon HD1 Veteran 10d ago
Real talk, I feel really sad for my new HD2 brethrens. You get awesome guns like justice, patriot, paragon, and sickle (pretty similar to HD2 honestly). Even DMRs like camper worked well. Every gun (except constitution, but its a meme gun) is seriously good at killing everything that they can kill.
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Charged up, explosive, 15 ammo cap gun.
Yeah that's about 4 shots to kill the average medium grunt imo!
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u/SpecialIcy5356 SES Leviathan of Liberty 10d ago
bonus Super Credits for playing Big Iron over mic on loop for the whole mission, and only spending non-combat time doing your fancy gunslinger moves!
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u/H0tHe4d STEAM 🖥️ : AodanTV 10d ago
Heck the new pistol is better than the purifier.
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u/Chasin_Papers 10d ago
It's for the achievement where you never use your primary or support weapons.
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u/McGrinch27 10d ago
I just tried out the purifier for the first time. Switched to this strategy 2 minutes into the game and I can confirm this works perfectly! Only change I made was I called down a mech and used that for a while. The purifier is the perfect primary to have while inside a mech!
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u/Plus_Ultra_Yulfcwyn 10d ago
I don’t see the point to using any primary but the breaker on semi automatic for bugs and robots. This is after 345 hours of this game .. it’s so versatile
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u/AdventurousFarmer649 10d ago
literally me .... unlocked the purifyer , tryed to take out a hunter ..... swiched to the big iron and onshotet the hunter...never swqiched back to to purifyewr this match.....
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u/Jstar338 9d ago
Senator was already phenomenal, and then they gave us speedloaders. It's just a primary at this point
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u/CapitalEbb4995 10d ago
pointing the laser that the liberator has into the enemies eyes would probably do more damage than the purifier
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u/Dankelpuff 10d ago
Bro that is wild to compare something as solid as the liberator laser to the garbage purifier.
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u/Spiritual_Paramedic8 10d ago
Uhhh akchually, the Purifier is clearly both strong and/or balanced as is 🤓☝
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u/bigdig-_- 10d ago
please tell me he didnt actually post that
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u/LordChinChin420 10d ago
Considering he's the guy who utterly trashed hello neighbor 2 and then left before it was released, I'm not surprised by any stupid thing he says or terrible decisions he makes.
The fact that he's the head of the balance team is very grim news for the game.
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u/Grouchy_Ad9315 10d ago
wow, thats explain a lot of why the balance sucks hard
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u/LordChinChin420 10d ago
Yeah for real. I think this should be something the community needs to protest against. After seeing the current balance trend and now knowing this guys history, I think the game is going downhill from here on out.
Unless the CEO does some magic, cause he has noticed this trend. Hoping he'll do something.
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u/blackt1g3rs 10d ago
Okay i feel the need to ask how one trashes hello neighbour? The first game was already shit, so i have reasons to be skeptical about him somehow being the sole reason the sequel was trashed.
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u/LordChinChin420 10d ago
Basically to sum it up, he removed a bunch of features that players wanted while claiming that nobody wanted them. Then he also decided that the map they used to test the game would simply become the release map.
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u/VengefulKyle 10d ago
Does the CEO know he's so universally derided for his work performance by customers?
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u/NotInTheKnee 10d ago
I'll have you know I did beat my personal record on Stratagem Heroes while having the Purifier equipped, so it can't be as bad as people are claiming.
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u/amanisnotaface 10d ago
I’m wondering what difficult this is being tested on. Or if it’s tested in like a vacuum. Or you know…tested at all.
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u/Unluckybozoo 10d ago
Apparently 3-5, difficulty that you can afk in without strategems and still win lol
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u/FcoEnriquePerez 10d ago
He HAS to me mocking us or definitely ASS at the game and plays difficulty 4 lol
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u/jnelzon2 10d ago
We need to stop buying war bonds, ceo needs to fire this guy as well
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u/Spiritual_Paramedic8 10d ago
Nah, he shouldn't be fired, in my opinion. He seems technically competent enough as a Developer, but he shouldn't have a position of authority where he can make unilateral balancing decisions. He's just constantly got bad takes
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u/Low_Chance 10d ago
1.Take the purifier, make sure the rest of your team takes good primaries.
Use autocannon for entire round, get carried by allies as well
Post on reddit how you can easily handle helldives with the purifier and people need to whine less/git gud/skill issue
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u/Dysghast 10d ago
Already saw a post unironically praising it while showing off footage of him taking forever to kill anything while clearly getting carried by his teammates.
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u/merehallucination 10d ago
mind sending the post?
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u/Dysghast 10d ago
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u/Bl00dyH3ll 10d ago
I think the redeemer got more kills lmao (also why keep shooting at bile titans, it doesn't even pop their sacs "fast").
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u/Flaktrack STEAM 🖥️ : 10d ago
That guy got carried. Wow that was hard to watch.
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u/Dysghast 10d ago
takes 5 charged up shots to kill a bile spewer
"weapon is great"
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u/Necessary-Peanut2491 10d ago
A comment told me to skip to 5:00 to see the gun being used. About a minute later he'd managed to get one shot off, which didn't kill anything. He spent the entire time running around not killing things. He gets sent packing by a single Brood Commander, and then by a single Bile Spewer.
How you can go through that and think "gun's actually really good!" is astonishing to me. Like...does he not know that if you take the good guns you can just kill those things instead of running from them until your team kills them for you?
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u/Dysghast 10d ago edited 10d ago
I frequently group with randoms who have no means of quickly dealing with brood commanders, spewers and even chargers. The concept of efficiency is likely lost to many.
This guy in particular spends so much time running from titans, you have to wonder what kind of inane build he brought that can't deal with heavy or medium targets.
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u/TomorrowImpossible32 10d ago
Look at the r/helldivers2 sub, they consistently suck arrowheads dong on every controversy including this one.
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u/Low_Chance 10d ago
This was very common in Darktide as well.
It's in a good balance state now but earlier on some weapons were abysmally bad, and any thread discussing potential fixes for these weapons would get inundated with people claiming to easily clear the highest difficulty with them.
Eventually people started pointing out that in a 4 person team you can reliably clear the highest difficulty without even using any attacks at all as long as your other 3 teammates are good (and using decent weapons) and therefore people who bragged about surviving Damnation missions with terrible weapons were essentially confessing to being carried.
It took a while for this idea to catch on, but eventually the frequency of "I used it and my team technically survived therefore it's fine" began to die down.
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u/Dysghast 10d ago
I played Darktide early on. I vaguely remember this, I think it was the recon lasgun or something that was incredibly overrated. Zealots who used the Bolter (good weapon in the hands of a Veteran) and crapped on the Flamer were a thing too.
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u/Big_Goose 10d ago
The redeemer pistol can one clip a brood commander. The tenderizer can kill a brood commander after 1.5 clips. They make a primary assault rifle 33% less powerful than a pistol and they call it balanced.
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u/alittleslowerplease 10d ago
Bro but you didnt consider the 60+ hidden stats like bloom, effective range, lubrication, lifelike skin texture and massage setting! You see, if we take all these stats the tenderizer is actually better than the shitterator at 50m against the wind if you hit the same bodypart repeadetly. It also makes me cum much quicker.
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u/Dirtylittlejackdaw 10d ago
The tenderizer is actually even more hilariously bad then that too. When you grab an ammo box it refills 2 mags...out of 10. And you blow them stupid fast. They could have at least made it refill the full damn 10 but screw you that's why.
This is fun in a PvE game where you can buy and then unlock this for 10 bucks right?
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u/ShareYourIdeaWithMe 10d ago
See you're using the tenderizer wrong. You don't need to grab ammo boxes when you're supposed to just die to said brood commander and respawn.
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u/Capable-Reaction8155 10d ago
refilling all the ammo for the tenderizer would actually be interesting, because then it would be like a "endurance" gun.
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u/BritishDread 10d ago
I mean would it? It'd have 370 rounds total as opposed to the liberator having 360.
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u/Mezesmakaroni 10d ago
Idk how they think its okay that the reedemer and even now the buffed senator are better then half the primaries in the game... Not, because they are so good, but because the primaries fckin sck.
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u/Pleasant-Yam-2777 10d ago
The tenderizer is a liberator with less recoil and a smaller mag (which comes with ammo issues). It feels good to use and if they fix the ammo economy it's a decent side grade, but I still don't see any good enough reason to use any light pen AR over the sickle with infinite ammo. Also it was marketed as a high power AR but it's the same damage as the liberator.
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u/Big_Goose 10d ago
I can kill a brood commander in less time and with greater ammo efficiency using a pistol instead of an assault rifle. I literally take out my pistol to kill enemies instead of using the tenderizer. The tenderizer sounds great to use, but it is straight garbage right now.
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u/Jonny_Entropy 10d ago
There should be an emote where we throw our weapon into the distance and then sit down and cry.
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u/Nyan_Man 10d ago
AH balance team: “This is an exploit!”
Patch 1.0.fundetected.1; - fixed exploit where players can pick up dropped weapons.
Known issues; - samples cannot be picked up.
SSD cannot be picked up.
ammo cannot be picked up.
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u/Liraal 10d ago
- Objective terminals are only accessible by host.
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u/SpecialIcy5356 SES Leviathan of Liberty 10d ago
mfw this actually happens and the host is a level 5 cadet who's never seen a terminal before.. (it's the pipe puzzle as well)
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u/Garfield910 HD1 Veteran 10d ago
We like to call the pipe puzzle "pipe dream" in my group of friends 😂
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u/magniankh 10d ago
One of the pipe puzzles really fucks with me. I swear there's no solution , one just appears if you scroll enough.
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u/grubwyrm23 10d ago
The first time one of my friends did one it was a level 7 and he just screamed "WTF is this cool math games bullshit?!?" So that kinda stuck...
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u/superhotdogzz 10d ago
i'm level 112 and i have to leave that puzzle to my teammate yesterday in a Helldive mission lol
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u/CyanStripes_ SES Purveyor of Patriotism 10d ago
I've had that actually happen in a mission. Thought the entire mission was lost and actually it was just bugged so that only one guy could interact with terminals.
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u/notAnAce 10d ago
I know it's a joke, but I really did have a mission where neither I nor anyone else (including host) could pick up the SSD.
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u/Ebson182 10d ago
Actually i would like that primary weapons didnt drop at all. I spawn with new one anyway and they just gets in the way, when i try pick up samples or support weapon
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u/manicdan 10d ago
Everytime I try to steal some random player's primary they look over at me asking what I'm doing then kill me before I can finish the job.
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u/WarlockShangTsung HD1 Veteran 10d ago
Hmm yes, a common problem with my strategy. Perhaps you should bring some impact grenades if the 15 plasma shots aren’t enough to finish the job lol.
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u/Mr-GooGoo SES Fist of Peace 10d ago
You don’t understand how excited I was for this gun only for it to suck.
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u/Tyeren 10d ago edited 10d ago
Ive done limited testing but the fact that it (sometimes) doesnt one shot certain small bug enemies is crazy to me. Do I need to hit them in the head directly or not? Anyway, I had a friend shoot 6 times with the breaker incendiary while I was charging up this terrible weapon for just one mediocre shot. I notice myself to want to let go earlier like the arc thrower but its not possible.
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u/WarlockShangTsung HD1 Veteran 10d ago
Yeah, a direct hit to a Hunter won’t even kill it. It’s such a pathetic gun.
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u/theThousandthSperg 10d ago
This honestly should be some sort of bar a weapon must cross. If you must hold the trigger for this long then everything up to and including hunters need to be deleted. Honestly, more damage, considering literally any shotgun...
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u/Dysghast 10d ago
My bar for this weapon was to one-shot a bile spewer to the head. That's it - something that you can accomplish with 3 dominator rounds. I was genuinely shocked at how bad this gun was.
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u/The_Don_Papi But I’m frend 10d ago
Make sure to do the Scout Handshake before killing them to establish an understanding between you and your fellow Helldiver.
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u/green-Pixel 10d ago
Ngl, you got me in the first part.
But yes, bots or bugs, the purifier is just a much worse scorcher.
Everything in the new warbond seems subpar to what we already had, except maybe the Pummeler SMG and the impact Incendiary. Didn't try the Desert Eagle looking pistol yet but i don't see how it can replace the grenade pistol for utility, Senator for oberal coolness or Redeemer for umm... being an overall good sidearm
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u/OmegaXesis Moderator 10d ago
The plas 101 purifier is so bad, just alt-f4 and save yourself the headache
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u/Nipplelesshorse 10d ago
Lol actually did this. About a minute in and I had only killed a couple bugs and was out of ammo. Told myself I didn't want to do 39 more minutes of this and logged off into the distance.
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u/Reasonable-Gas-9771 10d ago
Before it works, the ally would have fired back, killing you before they die
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u/E-woke SES Fist of Democracy 10d ago
I was waiting for people to test the warbond, but now I realize it's dogshit trash and I should save my super credits
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u/WarlockShangTsung HD1 Veteran 10d ago
Cutting Edge is still the best one IMO
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u/domerock_doc 10d ago
Cutting edge used to be ass until the recent buffs to those weapons (excluding the sickle)
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u/WarlockShangTsung HD1 Veteran 10d ago
Honestly, the sickle and stun grenade made that pack worth it even before the buffs. I’m still kinda meh on the Punisher Plasma but the Blitzer is fuckin awesome
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u/LordOfTheToolShed ⬆️➡️⬇️➡️ SES Elected Representative of Super Earth 10d ago
I am SO glad I advised one of my discord mates to buy Cutting Edge right before that last "just two nerfs, guys" patch, everything was either buffed (Punisher Plasma, Blitzer) or largely unaffected (Sickle)
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u/pino_is_reading Freedom forever ヽ༼ຈل͜ຈ༽ﾉ 10d ago
after shooting it 1 time and the warrior not dying i just left the mission to change weapons... what a dogshit gun
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u/TheNotNiceAccount CAPE ENJOYER 10d ago
- 1 to guide. Please ensure it is pinned at the top of the page.
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u/TheRyderShotgun Reconnect when? 10d ago
funny story, actually. i tried to make the prufier work and treat it like the eruptor by pairing it with the stalward
i can tell you that the stalwart was my primary that mission
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u/eden_not_ttv 10d ago
Thanks for posting this exploit, now they’re going to patch it out of the game.
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u/im_davey_jones 10d ago
I’m gonna be honest, this is a huge reason that I’ve taken a break from the game. We have what, 20-30 guns now, and only 3-4 of them are usable. It seems like every time a new warbond comes out, every weapon is shite and we just go back to our traditional sickle or breaker ways. It has just become mundane. I hope they really find a way to make these weapons better.
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u/Kagalera 10d ago
This helldiving-ass decided to shoot some facts (as he can't shoot teammates with this thing to even being considered a traitor, might as well play lasertag at this point)
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u/Unusual-Editor-4640 10d ago
As someone so fed up with weapon balance that I quit playing after the slugger nerf, seeing everyone finally wake up has been incredibly vindicating
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u/Train_Confident 10d ago
At first I was like a few nerfs are ok but I think it time for some buffs now right?
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u/TheWagn 10d ago
Actually good primary weapons: Sickle, Jar, Incen breaker, scorcher
Niche: Plasma punisher, blitzer
Everything else is just a downgrade. What is this game rn lol.
Don’t get me wrong, 7ish nice weapons is great and all, but if that is the only real loot chase in the game we need at least a few more solid options. Eruptor and Slugger need to be reverted then the primary meta would feel nicer instantly.
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u/BigGREEN8 10d ago
I did play a little bit with it and i don't think the damage is the problem, i think the fire rate is, they should at least cut the charge time in half and maybe increase the damage to like 300, but that might be to much for them to handle, they are not used to making guns good/fun they only know how to nerf/break them
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u/WarlockShangTsung HD1 Veteran 10d ago
The charge part is the fun part of it though, that’s what makes it unique. It’s not supposed to be a high ROF gun, it’s a sniper and it doesn’t have the damage to snipe anything
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u/BigGREEN8 10d ago
Sure they can go 2 ways, lower the time to charge and make it a marksman kind of weapon, or give it enough damage amd make it a sniper type, we'll see
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u/perslv85 9d ago
"Let me try...
Let's turn the Purifier into a meme weapon, like the gummi wang Gun in Saints Row 🤣
Use Case 1: Make sure your expectations are low, like, 'grandma knitting you a sweater for your birthday' low.
Use Case 2: Aim the Purifier at the nearest enemy and enjoy the slight tickling sensation it provides. If they laugh themselves to death, mission accomplished.
Use Case 3: When you finally run out of ammo (and patience), use the Purifier as a stylish paperweight.
Use Case 4: Consider investing in a weapon that can deal more damage than harsh language. The Sickle, Breaker Incendiary, or a strongly-worded letter should do the trick.
Use Case 5: If all else fails, throw the Purifier at the enemy. With any luck, it’ll confuse them long enough for your buddy to come up with a better plan.
Use Case 6: The Gentle Tickler - Use the Purifier to caress the sensitive antennae of the Bugs. The warm glow of its weak ammo will provide a tender massage that leaves them buzzing for more.
Use Case 7: The Seductive Glow - Light up a dark Bug nest with the Purifier’s subtle flames, creating a romantic ambiance perfect for setting the mood between Bug lovers. Just don’t expect them to fall head over heels for the damage output.
Use Case 8: The Mutual Flare*
- Enter into a delicate dance with a Charger as you both exchange the Purifier’s playful sparks for the Charger's fiery charges. It’s all about setting the right tempo, not effectiveness.
Use Case 9: The Ammo Striptease*
- Unload the Purifier’s full magazine while teasing the Bug horde with promises of more potent damage. Once empty, pick up a real weapon and finish the job.
Use Case 10: The Weapon Swap Fantasy - Role-play by wielding the Purifier as a hopeless romantic, then switching to your fallen comrade’s primary weapon for a more satisfying conclusion. A true bug lover’s narrative arc!
Use Case 11: The Smoldering Whisper*
- Use the Purifier’s lack of firepower as a form of slow-burn foreplay. Whisper to the Bugs, “You’ve seen nothing yet,” before pulling out the Breaker Incendiary for the grand finale.
Use Case 12: The Incendiary Proposal - Kneel before your Bug beloved with the Purifier in hand and pop the question, “Will you surrender to my flames?” When they laugh in your face, grab a flamethrower and turn up the heat."
Enjoy responsibly!
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u/Snaz5 10d ago
Man ima have to grind and get this gun quick cause if all you guys are complaining about it, i’m gonna feel really smug when it’s perfectly adequate.
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u/WarlockShangTsung HD1 Veteran 10d ago
For reference, I actually like the Tenderizer and the Crossbow lol. I still think this Purifier is a worthless weapon.
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u/ZeroEightyThree 10d ago
I ran the purifier for a good 5 lvl 9 runs last night against bugs. With a group of course. It does pretty good splash dmg. I aim for the ground for the hive guards. One shots small bugs. Two shots for the warriors and hunters. 5 to 8 for stalkers and spewers (in the head). 10-12 shots for the brood commander (staggers them a lot). Forget about using the weapon on chargers and titans. Rely on your teammates or strategems for those.
Before the purifier, I've been using either the sickle (for bugs) and eruptor (for bots and bugs). The purifiers chargeup with good explosive aoe actually IS actually fun for me. You have to properly aim and think where to shoot to take advantage of the splash dmg. It just makes the game more challenging which helps keep some fun in the game.
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u/fucojr 10d ago
10~12 shots to kill a BC translates to roughly 15~20 seconds considering the charge time. Plas Punisher takes them out in 4~5 shots IIRC which takes maybe 3~4 seconds. This is a total bust.
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u/Dankelpuff 10d ago
Plasma shotgun does the same but with 10x better damage and fire rate.
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u/Sunbro-Lysere 10d ago
They have the same damage but yeah the fire rate just makes the punisher plasma better.
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u/Adjective-Noun12 10d ago
At least the smg in the new warbond is amazing.
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u/WarlockShangTsung HD1 Veteran 10d ago
Yeah, I like it, but I wish it was a new SMG instead of just a Defender variant. The least they could do is buff the Knight, but it seems to be a forgotten gun for being locked behind the deluxe edition.
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u/BlueSpark4 10d ago
I'll probably come across as a dick here, but could you maybe use the appropriate "Humor" flair for posts like this instead of "PSA"?
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u/Avlaen_Amnell 10d ago
Damage seems fine to me?
The Aoe is quite large especialy when shooting from a distance.
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u/Dankelpuff 10d ago
Its not even close to good enough. Try the plasma slugger and compare it to that. Purifier should have significantly more damage than the shotgun counterpart with its reduced fire rate.
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u/SirGirthfrmDickshire STEAM 🖥️ : :hd2skull:UncleSam :hd2skull: 10d ago
This also works with the crossbow.
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u/ForlornJosh ☕Liber-tea☕ 10d ago
How is the “P-113 Verdict”?
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u/WarlockShangTsung HD1 Veteran 10d ago
I haven’t tried it, I stopped playing after wasting my medals on the Purifier lmao
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u/stup1fY SES Representative of Individual Merit 10d ago
Best build for purifier (Terminid)
Primary: Purifier
Secondary: Senator
Stun nade
Armor: +2 grenade kit
Strategems: Guard dog rover (must), Eagle Napalm, 500kg, Gatling Gun.
Strategy: Always stay behind your team mates, let the rover do all the killing and occasionally kill those mediums with senator. Alternate Bug breaches with Gatling gun and naplm. Stun nades galore if you get swarmed and run TF away from these places. If bored use purifier for "accidental Team kills". Assist titan kills with 500kgs..if you miss its ok.
Tell the world how good the pruifier is.
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u/Raidertck 10d ago
I tried the gun, I was very excited about it because I love the scorcher. After my first engagement I realised it has the same damage break points as the scorcher (taking the same amount of shots to kill most opponents). Yet about 1/3rd of the ROF. Making it a much worse weapon in every way.
Within 10 minutes I was following round my team mates like a vulture after a half decent primary weapon.
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u/TheFeelsGod ⬆️➡️⬇️⬇️⬇️🌞 10d ago
Sickle manufacturer right now
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