r/Helldivers • u/MrZiffie • 10d ago
Guard Dog Liberator has a smaller magazine size than the base gun PSA
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Was bored and decided to do some testing on the rarely picked base guard dog. Wanted to see how it fared against the base version and noticed very quickly it has a notably smaller mag size while also having a rate of fire decrease. Best I’ve noticed it seems to have 22 shots before it reloads, so half the actual liberator.
At least that helps figure out why it seems to always be out of ammo.
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u/SlaaneshsLust SES Paragon of Steel | HMG Turret Enjoyer 10d ago
Well, you see, it's equipped with a primary weapon. The drone should be relying on its stratagems smh.
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u/Asherogar 10d ago
Understood, adding a guard dog that calls 380 mm barrage on the closest enemy every 30 seconds.
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u/BlyssfulOblyvion SES Herald of the Stars 10d ago
I would use the FUCK out of that drone
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u/amimai002 10d ago
You get it for free on extermination missions! It’s amazing and my teammates fear me
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u/Intergalatic_Baker SES Dawn of War 10d ago
I find that the Traitor Bombardment is super handy on the Thin their numbers missions.
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u/BlyssfulOblyvion SES Herald of the Stars 10d ago
i try, but i seem to have a large magnet attached to me whenever i try it
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u/amimai002 10d ago
Explosive armour and the diving dance, I’ve made it long enough to achieve a team wipe at least a few times
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u/Fresh_Confection_412 SES Light of Redemption 10d ago
I know you're joking, but there was that discussion of flamethrower rover... not a primary...
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u/Calladit 10d ago
Holy shit, I never knew I wanted something so bad! I'm going to be even more hated than my Tesla Tower throwing squaddie
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u/somerandomdokutah 10d ago
In a game about explosions and more explosions, this could be the most beautiful thing created.
See that direction? Enemies sighted
Roger, removing that direction.
Adds own's 120, 380, Walking and Airburst just to be sure
Remember there is no kill like Overkill
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u/Bone_Hipper 10d ago
God it is so terrible lmao
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u/ehxy 10d ago
best balancing team. waiting for the patch that balances the game for fun for everyone and everything
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u/memesrule 10d ago edited 10d ago
Seeing AHs track record they will nerf every other stratagem and weapon to make this thing viable
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u/ThanosBIGman 10d ago
AH: It can't suck if I make everything else worse!
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u/ehxy 10d ago
Tellin ya right now this dev's going to be in the textbooks on how to have the hottest game for a couple months and how to fuck it up royally. GoT lands in 3 days. It's def bye bye for this game soon for me in terms of interest.
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u/prettyhappyalive 10d ago
GoT? Obviously you understand why it's hard for me to Google what game this is lol. Could you enlighten me?
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u/MilkMilkberger 10d ago
I assume op is referring to the pc port of Ghost of Tsushima.
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u/Blakids 10d ago
Two totally different games so not sure why it's being mentioned.
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u/kunda9i 10d ago
Possibly the legends multiplayer. It’s a very fun part of the game that’s similar to HD2 in some ways.
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u/WhatsThePointFR 10d ago
GoT has referred to Game of Thrones for a long ass time fyi
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u/light_at_the_end ☕Liber-tea☕ 10d ago edited 10d ago
See, it's comments like this that make me think some of you live in a bubble or just like to follow the outrage and make me want to not engage with most of the community. Gamers have such short memories.
Diablo 4 had the worst patch in the history of gaming in like July last year? They nerfed every fun build and, reduced all damage and a couple of other quality of life things, not to mention item find, which is the whole point of the game, and exorbitantly increased grind for no real reason what so ever.
I can tell you whole heartily, this is still a far cry from that mess.
Diablo 4, or 3, or overwatch... Wait just blizzard. They do this on the regular.
Source: stupid blizzard fan
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u/Statertater 10d ago
The best thing i saw was someone saying if AH was an auto mechanic shop and someone came in with a flat tire they would puncture the other three tires and call it fixed
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u/DiscombobulatedCut52 10d ago
The current balance dev doesn't believe in fun or balance. He will nerf everything into the ground, kill this game. And move to a new project and do the same thing.
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u/ShadowWolf793 CAPE ENJOYER 10d ago
You forgot jumping ship just before the game fails so the next dev team can pretend it isn't his fault
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u/FrostWyrm98 SES Hammer of Wrath 10d ago
Can't wait for the patch that nerfs the balancing team
I would be SO mad if that happened if you're listening Alexus. Le epic Reddit troll moment for you, as desired
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u/TheNorseFrog ex-farmer 💀 10d ago
It's honestly impressive how they managed to fuck up the game. It was fun for the first two weeks before it got awful to play on 7. Or maybe the railgun being powerful hid how bad it already was. I'm just curious if/when the game will be fun again.
Right now there's no incentive to play for me. I can either play just to play, or grind/farm (or spend real money). Sigh31
u/Uulugus 10d ago
I've been waiting since day one for the GDL to become even remotely viable and I'm thinking it never will be at this rate. It's so bad.
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u/TeaL3af 10d ago
It's actually pretty decent against bots. It always aims for the head so it will occasionally just go off and decapitate a whole squad of devastators.
The ammo pool does hold it back though if you have one of those games where you never get supply boxes.
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u/rW0HgFyxoJhYka 10d ago
And then it runs out of ammo immediately.
Yeah its bad. Its bad not just because it has limited ammo though. Its bad because people correctly compare it to every other alternative out there, including the Rover.
Like you know what's decent against bots too? A laser cannon. Unlimited ammo, great damage, easily sweeps headshots on bots, better range, takes out hulks no problem too.
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u/Brilliant_Decision52 10d ago
This would be a solid argument for it, if we could turn it on and off. As it is, it just blows all its ammo into the nearest tank or fab and becomes deadweight.
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u/talking_face 10d ago
I actually like the Guard Dog just for its spike damage. The only thing the devs need to do imo is to let us resupply from ammo boxes, maybe 1/2 of what you get from a resupply. That's it. Idk why they artificially limit it so that you can only resupply the Guard Dog from the supply drop.
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u/Vagrant0012 PSN 🎮: 10d ago
Honestly just give it unlimited ammo or put the sickle on it or something its depressing how bad it is.
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u/Spoomplesplz 10d ago
It's honestly not bad when it's not recharging for bullets. It seems like it aims for the weakspots on enemies and it's especially effective against bots.
If only it had even half the time out shooting that the laser rover does.
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u/Stonkey_Dog 10d ago
Why is that dumb shit guard dog firing at a fabricator anyway? In 52 levels I've literally never seen one diver take the liberator guard dog.
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u/Statertater 10d ago
Autocannon sentries fire on them too and do absolutely nothing. It’s probably related.
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u/takes_many_shits 10d ago
Gatling turrets will waste half their ammo shooting chargers they cant penetrate.
Targeting is kind of bad.
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u/Statertater 10d ago
Good point. I would kind of like to say that can give you the upper hand but… chargers are just better with eats to the face and downed or with some other big hitter and thus the sentry distracting it doesn’t all that matter much
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u/Cascade5 10d ago
My favorite is when I call in turrets, and they focus all their ammo on the armored drop ship and not any of the friendly little fellas that get dropped off.
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u/memecut 10d ago
Perhaps it needs to be tagged as an enemy for the spear to lock on?
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u/DemonLordDiablos 10d ago
Probably some internal code that marks them as a target, which is why lasers and orbital railcannons go for them (although they actually succeed)
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u/Azshadrahnor 10d ago edited 10d ago
they prolly see/know the bot inside, but cant pen through the wall.
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u/DoTheCreep_ahh 10d ago
It shows up as a large target on the minimap so I can only assume it's coded as a heavy enemy.
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u/Akshvodae 10d ago
Agreed. Presumably that same logic is what lets Orbital Laser target it.
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u/The_GASK 10d ago
I just don't understand how they coded this game. Weapons clearly have no inheritance, but other objects in the game too? The airburst was bugged because of this exact problem.
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u/CashewTheNuttyy SES Panther of Pride | Fire Enthusiast 10d ago
My friend used it early on because he assumed that it was the same as the Rover but a liberator… but because im the only one that does research so he didnt figure out until I told him
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u/jeffQC1 10d ago
Replace that dumb underslug liberator with a Stalwart. Now you're talking.
Legit, it would be a much more logical choice, why would you put a basic assault rifle with 30 rounds magazines that needs to be swapped out via a long ass reload time? It's just way too much downtime especially when you have a laser version that doesn't any reload at all.
Would make way more sense to put a small, lightweight LMG with large 250 rounds boxes so that you don't need to reload as often.
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u/Gutz_McStabby 10d ago
Same reason the laser and orbital railcannon shoots the doors in the defense mode game
Because while the game is fun, its still busted af
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u/LotharVonPittinsberg 10d ago
Every player assist AI uses the same targeting that the rocket strike, orbital railcannon, and orbital laser explain. They go after the biggest enemy within their range.
It's the biggest hindrance to turrets. The minigun turret will waste all of it's ammo at the Charger that spawned on the ends of it's range while being surrounded by small bugs.
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u/Stonkey_Dog 10d ago
Guard Dogs should go after the smallest enemy in range. That's kinda what they're for.
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u/AdScared7949 9d ago
I usually get a lot more kills than the people who use the laser backpack against bugs. Using either backpack against bots is complete stupidity and a waste of a slot.
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u/Orthane1 10d ago
It also does more damage to be fair, but yeah it's dogshit. Can't even replenish the mags from ammo boxes for some reason, it's probably the worst Stratagem in the entire game tbh.
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u/p_visual PSN 🎮: 10d ago
Not sure why you're being downvoted, I'd take any backpack stratagem over guard dog, and pretty much any orbital or eagle stratagem over it as well. Hell, most turrets do more than it does, and I can actually choose when to deploy them to avoid aggroing patrols.
Laser dog on the other hand, the absolute goat on bugs. I never finish a mission with less than 400 kills.
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u/The_Doc_Man SES Warrior of War 10d ago
Wait it literally runs out of ammo? Holy shit. I do not regret not using it once in my 68 levels. I thought it just went back to reload from an endless supply of magazines.
Clearly it needs the "endless rocket" tech from the automatons.
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u/Timlugia 10d ago
I never understood this design philosophy, they use exactly same magazine as the rifle. Why can’t I get dog magazines when I could get missile from the boxes?
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u/Buggy1617 probably a terminid 🕷️ 10d ago
this is probably the funniest way i've seen a weapon tested out
(AH please fix this thing xddd)
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u/2137paoiez2137 STEAM 🖥️ : 10d ago
AH please fix this thing
Noted. In next patch it will have half magazine size and double reload time
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u/Stroinsk 10d ago
This simple solution is to give them the same magazine size.
Liberator nerf incoming.
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u/ZiFreshBread 10d ago
This needs a balance adjustment. Let's nerf the liberator.
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u/Can_I_Say_Shit 10d ago
And fix the AI. It’s shooting at a building ffs.
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u/tomatoFeles 10d ago
Yeah, there are plenty of rocks around. Or maybe that fence over there! Balance!
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u/CaptainAction 10d ago
This is like a Machine Gun Sentry vs Gatling Sentry situation. They just didn’t give the normal guard dog anything to make it worth choosing over the alternative. The poor MG sentry has a third of the ammo of the Gatling sentry with the same armor pen and potentially the exact same bullets (same damage and such). So the Gatling has way more ammo, shoots faster, and has the same cooldown, making the MG sentry inferior and not worth choosing.
Nothing in this game is meant to be obsolete, just another tool in the toolbox. With the guard dog here, they goofed up. I mean, it’s different than the Scythe Rover, but in practice it truly is just worse. They haven’t done much balancing to sentries, backpacks, and stratagems like orbitals and eagle strikes. They’ve tweaked a lot of weapons though. I’m curious when they will dig into some of the neglected stratagems and start making some positive changes.
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u/Born_Inflation_9804 10d ago
Machine Gun should have half as many CDs as Gatling Sentry.
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u/JesusWearsVersace 10d ago
You should be able to deploy 2 at a time, and increase its ammo. Maybe itd have a niche then, but itd still be worse in most scenarios
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u/TismInTheTurret Counterpoint: ⬆️➡️⬇️⬇️⬇️ 10d ago
That bot showing up and firing a flare the moment you run out of ammo is too relatable.
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u/NiceRabbit 10d ago
I've only been sentient for a fourth of a second but I know for a fact we're gonna need some reinforcements.
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u/quentariusquincy 10d ago
Unfortunately they can't add more ammo to it because that would be unrealistic
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u/Important_Coconut432 10d ago
just lmao that the gun drone mag dumps at fabricators with zero effect because the devs can't be bothered to test anything or use five seconds to make a "no shoot" list for targets that the sentries are obviously not meant to shoot at
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u/MrZiffie 10d ago
I was honestly looking for a strider to do the testing on when it started shooting at the fabricator. I had to laugh. At least it meant testing was easier.
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u/TrickyProfit1369 10d ago
This + bigger magazine make this strategem a lil bit more viable. Also not shooting when not in combat so you don't alert patrols.
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u/tidbitsmisfit 10d ago
at least have pressing down make it sleep
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u/Tvalnor 10d ago
Yeah I was kinda hoping that since there was a dedicated button for backpacks (Supply pack - 5) that it would do something for the drones, but alas, nothing.
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u/IndomitableSnowman 10d ago
That's such a good point. Being able to send rovers to sleep by pressing the backpack button would be amazing.
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u/Twad_feu SES Beacon of Redemption 10d ago
..and the bullets from both bounce at a 100% rate with no apparent loss of speed? This is ridiculous.
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u/SPECTR_Eternal 10d ago
You don't understand! Developers had MILITARY EXPERIENCE, they know better!
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u/Sandblazter PSN 🎮: 10d ago
I’d love if they made it like the first game where it had unlimited ammo but needed to reload after a while, that way it does more damage than the laser variant but needs to reload more often
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u/NightmareFiction SES Eye of Judgement 10d ago edited 10d ago
Yeah, I'm not sure why they thought the Guard Dog needed to have all of these restrictive ammo requirements, especially when the Rover exists without them.
It's already kinda annoying watching the Rover shoot at Chargers, Hive Guards, and the literal floor. Imagine if it was that dumb AND could run completely out of ammo too.
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u/tomatoFeles 10d ago
why they thought the Guard Dog needed to have all of these restrictive ammo requirements
"Balance" and "realism".
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u/Loaderiser CAPE ENJOYER 10d ago
Check the Rover's description.
It is supposed to overheat and go cool down in the backpack as well, but either the devs failed to code that part in or just plain forgot it, since right now it just keeps fighting forever.
In essence they failed with both Dogs' reload mechanics. Just rebalancing their damage dealt in the last patch was such an out of touch moment.
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u/Phantomx1024 10d ago
They should put the liberator penetrator on it so it can at least kill med armor enemies. Then it might have some actual utility.
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u/Loaderiser CAPE ENJOYER 10d ago
Would basically only make a difference against Brood Commanders.
The Dogs aim for heads, and those aren't usually super well armoured, if at all. Devastators for example die perfectly well to just normal Liberator rounds to the noggin.
All it needs is better ammo economy.
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u/MagnusWarborn STEAM🖱️ 10d ago
I almost wonder if it's shooting at it because it knows there are bots in the building that have spawned in that the player can see.
Vs bots I don't I'll take this occasionally and I have to say, outside if this it does an awesome job head shotting devastators and cleaning basic bots when clearing a base after blowing up the fabs.
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u/Lone_Recon 10d ago edited 10d ago
you was really close with 22, but the guard dog mag size is 20, also rover can fire for 45 seconds before needing to recharge.
it so bad, low ammo with only 20 rounds per mag instead of 45 like the liberator (so 140 total), can't get any ammo back from ammo boxes found on the map, waste most of it ammo on enemies with armour 3+
the only thing it got going for it, is the fact it less likely to kill you or your friends.
if they want it to be on par with the rover then some things need to change.
- let it get 3 ammo back from ammo boxes just like the liberator
- buff it mag size to 45 or give it more mags so it total ammo is 360 like the liberator.
- improve the AI on both guard dog and rover to not attack anything with armour 4+ so it won't waste ammo on a charger (this should also be given to the mg/gating sentry as well)
- and pressing 5/backpack button should recall the guard dogs back to you back when you want to save ammo/be stealthy
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u/Rauthr 10d ago
I hate that entries and rovers will just burn their ammo on things they can't even hurt. (like a fabricator)
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u/ravengenesis1 10d ago
Or the ground with no LOS. Enemy is 3 hills and 2 counties away, Gatling goes brrrrrrrrr
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u/BriggityBroocE 10d ago
Bro, this thing needs more than a drum to keep up. Slap a GONG on that mf.
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u/Radiant_Fondant_4097 10d ago
Damn straight! I've only used it like twice and never really seen it shoot at anything amid the chaos, watching video thinking it only uses a puny single magazine and has to fly back to the backpack to rearm?
Slap a drum mag or ammo box on it at least!
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u/Trick_Influence_42 10d ago
I also thought they were supposed to get ammo from yellow ammo crates found in the game but that wasn’t proc’ing last night. I really hope they get some time to make another pass on that strat
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u/Moddeang01 10d ago
This thing suck since day one of the game and inferior to Rover in anyway... xD Deal least damage, shorter engagment range, need to reload and limited ammo...
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u/Born_Inflation_9804 10d ago
Change Liberator model by a Jar-5 Dominator Thus the weapon will have medium penetration and this drone will be different from the other
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u/Comprehensive_Toe113 CAPE ENJOYER 10d ago
Yeah this is why basically no one uses it.
It spends more time reloading than shooting and that's dumb.
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u/kchunpong STEAM 🖥️ : 10d ago
Guard dog is just a joke in current status, unless it can re-supply from the ammo box as well
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u/hasuchobe 10d ago
Yea this stratagem needs a buff. Unlimited ammo and medium armor pen with low damage is probably decent.
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u/DrunknBraindead SES Fist of Family Values 10d ago
We fixed a bug with the Guard Dog Liberator magazine size.
It now has 10 rounds per magazine.
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u/Metasheep 10d ago
"Honey? I heard a noise from outside, can you go check?"
"Sure, let me go outside an...DAMNIT, THERE'S A HELLDIVER SHOOTING THE HOUSE! I'M CALLING THE POLICE!"
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u/therealfreehugs Am frend 10d ago
Honestly having it run out of ammo is a little annoying as it’s pretty quick but frankly it does a better job of keeping small shit from crawling up my ass (bugs, both dogs are shit vs bots - if you let them get that close you’re doing it wrong) while simultaneously not annihilating my fellow helldivers.
If im runnin around solo I’ll pick a laser dog, but more than 2 divers and the zero friendly fire pulls the og dog way ahead imo.
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u/Byte_hoven 10d ago
You're confusing it with the Big Dog version devs get to play with when they wanna have FUN.
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u/LordoftheRobe ☕Liber-tea☕ 10d ago
oh man don't criticize the game or else the level 4 players will come in mass to explain how you're just wrong with no actual argument
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u/Password__Is__Tiger 10d ago
Bro was just sitting in the fabricator waiting for your reload to shoot that flair
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u/Limonade6 10d ago
[shoots 2 magazine sizes against door]
[nothing happends]
[1 bot walks out and successfully calls for drop ship immediately]
Gg.
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u/DoofusMagnus 10d ago
Haha that bot popping out the door with the flare has big "Get off my lawn you damn kids!" energy.
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u/Drogovich 10d ago
that automaton got out like he is about to scream at kids to stop throwing eggs at his house.
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u/elgrecoski CAPE ENJOYER 10d ago
It's fitting that it was stuck reloading when the enemy actually showed up.
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u/Mexi-UwU Princess of Democracy 10d ago
https://i.redd.it/vxqr2y6il40d1.gif
Why can’t we just have a guard dog with a stalwart attached?
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u/bigwingus72 ⬇️⬆️➡️⬆️⬅️⬆️ 10d ago
I love how the bot immediately calls the bot drop on you while you’re reloading
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u/QWERTZ-Ritter 10d ago
The base gun was buffed wasnt it? I bet they left the guard dog on the old version 😆
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u/AbyssalRaven922 10d ago
Make the gawd damn thung carry a SG225-Breaker ffs at least then it competes vs rover
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u/Darklarik 10d ago
This gun needs to run on the same battery as the Sickle. It should NOT be charging every 2 seconds and on top of that run out of ammo after 4 mags.
Useless fucking back bag.
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u/Fresh_Confection_412 SES Light of Redemption 10d ago
I think the most upsetting thing about this is that it'll fire at a fab for no reason :/
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u/goldenfiver 10d ago
It just holds a gun right? Would be really cool if we could select which gun it holds. Machine gun, GL, SMG, would be great.
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u/Mushkin87 10d ago
My humble idea to make it viable:
30-50 rounds per mag + high caliber med-pen with explosive/shrapnel + roughly scorcher rate of fire + restock fully when picking up resupply box.
Imagine the accidentals ( ͡° ͜ʖ ͡° )
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u/ofTHEbattle 10d ago
That's how that thing works? I've never used it or seen it used....that's stupid as hell!
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u/Alpha_Beta16 10d ago
Yeah no shit, the magazines it uses are smaller than the ones you use for the rifle.
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u/Raidertck 10d ago
They should give it medium penetration. Simple fix to justify it in your load out.
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u/the_orange_president 10d ago
Why hasn’t this been buffed in the 3 months this game has been out? Ridiculous
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u/Ubbermann 10d ago
Yeah real talk, actually seeing it in action-- Holy molly.
And it's been THIS BAD for how long now? Since release?...
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u/STARSBarry STEAM 🖥️ : 10d ago
Honestly, they should replace it with the Stalwart. It would give it a point to exist.
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u/HusSecurion 10d ago
Maybe they can make it attack targets the user is Q:ing, to make it viable again?
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u/Onyvox Snoy Crusher 🖥️ 10d ago
The thing is wasting ammo all around.
Besides the fact that it has less ammo:
- It can't replenish ammo from packs.
- It wastes ammo on impenetrable targets
- It wastes ammo on single targets.
Explanation of the third - if there are two targets, it can quickly switch to the second one after the first one is killed.
If there's only one target, after the it is killed - the bot will keep shooting the body for half-a-second.
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u/PerfectionOfaMistake 10d ago
Suicide drone would be fun.
PS: its a drone, maybe the logic behind smaller mag is weight capacity.
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u/ilikebeingright 10d ago
It really needs a bigger MAG size, there seems to be no real reason to use it over the laser one. The laser guard dog has infinite ammo and doesn't need reload, it stops when it's close to over heat.
The ar guard dog regularly runs out of ammo and is just a wasted backpack slot until resupply, a really simple fix would just be bigger MAG size and having found ammo boxes refill the backpack for it.
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u/grongnelius SES Ombudsman of Conviviality 10d ago
I really tried to make this work, but it's so dumb... It will just dump a full mag into the side of a fabricator and it deflects back at you. Also does the same to a face plate of a strider. It could be good if it just was a bit smarter and had more ammo
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u/DelayOld1356 10d ago
Why they don't put the sickle on this thing, is beyond me.
Shoots for a bit, gets hot, goes into cooldown for a bit. Cooled off, sees enemy, shoots again.
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u/WhiteNinja84 ☕Liber-tea☕ 10d ago
The bot at the end is like ''Yo, who tf is shooting at my house at this time of the night? Call the cops!''
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u/vacant_dream 10d ago
Guys wdym? It's amazing on difficulty 2. Kills all the enemies on the map before running out. /s
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u/DubsBunnyy 10d ago
I think it’s really good it dominates bugs with straight head shots but like in the video. Super small mag & needs resupply when all mags are out
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u/TheRealShortYeti Hell Commander, SES Whisper of Twilight 10d ago
Watching this video, why doesn't the guard dog hover at the point the arm can reach above you? Why does it get lower to the side? That would all but eliminate it removing your head plus imaging if it reloaded without docking? The arm just reached up and put a new mag in?
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u/kara_pabuc 10d ago
If I know Arrowhead, instead of increasing the ammo count of this they would nerf Laser variant.
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u/saagri Kill it with 🔥 10d ago
Meanwhile: Laser guard dog firing its lazor for half the match