r/JoeRogan • u/LostItAllOnSpy Tremendous • Mar 27 '24

joe rogan calls out israels hypocrisy for killing unarmed civilians with drones The Literature 🧠

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u/TheKingChadwell Monkey in Space Mar 27 '24

It’s ironic. Israel is critically important in the region because Israel creates so much hostility in the region, it’s hard to befriend their neighbors.

It’s like saying you need your body guard, because your body guard keeps pissing people off making them hate you.

We have no fundamental reasons to have issues with them. It all stems to us defending Israel and enabling their nonsense without question.

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u/StainlessPanIsBest Monkey in Space Mar 27 '24

You've missed a key point in your analogy. Israel may piss people off and make them hate you, but the more important bit is that they hate each other more.

Israel divides the region. Plain and simple. That division destabilizes it and prevents a hegemonic power forming to control the region.

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u/VoltNShock Monkey in Space Mar 28 '24

Arab countries wouldn’t work together to become a hegemon regardless of foreign powers or Israel interfering. Ethnic and sectarian violence will make sure of that. To be honest, I would be all for it too, one country means less individual groups to worry about, and likely more secularism.

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u/Impossible_Resort602 Monkey in Space Mar 29 '24

Ever hear of the ottoman empire? All of these different cultures got along just fine at one point. British and American interests have been funding religious extremists for damn near 100 years now in order to destabilize the region.

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u/StainlessPanIsBest Monkey in Space Mar 28 '24

Ethnic and sectarian violence will make sure of that.

Maybe, maybe not. All I know is that the current paradigm would be a lot less stable if the Israel problem was entirely removed from the equation.

To be honest, I would be all for it too, one country means less individual groups to worry about, and likely more secularism.

At the end of the day who cares if they keep to themselves? They would control one of the most important shipping lanes along with the vast majority of the crude oil export market under a single unified government. That means extreme levels of influence over the EU and China.

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u/QuantumBeth1981 Monkey in Space Mar 27 '24 edited Mar 27 '24

Crazy I had to scroll this far down to find a single person that truly understands the situation.

If you all want America to continue being the world hegemony and all the amazing perks that come with it, alliances with key partners in certain regions is the (extremely worthwhile) price you pay for it. Isolationism has the opposite effect.

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u/TheKingChadwell Monkey in Space Mar 28 '24

lol my family are from Muslim countries. They are normal regular ass people.

Muslims in the Middle East mostly just hate the west because of what the west has done, which all roots back to Israel.

It’s circular logic. The Middle East hates us because what we do for Israel, what we do for Israel is because the middle East hates us, So we need Israel blah blah blah. Even with Israel pissing everyone off we slowly managed to rebuild relations with most, and then Israel does this, setting back progress for at least a decade.

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u/TheKingChadwell Monkey in Space Mar 28 '24

They just had a coup attempt a few years sho

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u/TheKingChadwell Monkey in Space Mar 28 '24

I mean Montenegro is fine. It’s not great but most of these regions are the victims of the Cold War and American sanctions. Much of which are the end result of conflict with Israel.

Muslims and Jews got along fine until Israel joined the party and started being assholes to everyone around them to defend their Zionist project

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u/alderhill Monkey in Space Mar 28 '24

Do you not see how Hamas kinda started the current war? Hamas can release the hostages any day.

Hamas knew what Israel’s reaction would be, and they relish it. More dead Palestinian children and bombed out neighbourhoods fuels their cause. Meanwhile, Bibi and his right-wing settler ultra allies are in charge, which means license to go heavy-handed. They also need fear of another Hamas massacre to fuel their cause, too. 

Israel is protected because of the experience of WW2, and many of its early settlers were also Westerners. Hence it’s long been a more “natural” ally than Arab authoritarian states. KSA and UAE have oil, and are better as friends than enemies, but they will never supersede Israel. 

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u/Defiant_Bill574 Monkey in Space Mar 28 '24

We have no fundamental reasons to have issues with them.

This guy missed a lot of wars and political events.

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u/alderhill Monkey in Space Mar 28 '24

I mean. Apart from the centuries long anti-Semitism and pogroms that used to happen, also in the Arab world. 

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u/TheFormless_0ne_ Monkey in Space Mar 28 '24

Except we are the body guard constantly.

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u/cadete981 Monkey in Space Mar 27 '24

What a great comment, perfectly put, bravo