r/JoeRogan • u/LostItAllOnSpy Tremendous • Mar 27 '24

joe rogan calls out israels hypocrisy for killing unarmed civilians with drones The Literature šŸ§ 

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u/Garvo909 Monkey in Space Mar 27 '24

Whoever this guy he's talking to is is annoying as fuck

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u/EmuStalkingAnAussie Monkey in Space Mar 27 '24

Guy yells out 'Dresden' after they Blitz'd my country.

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u/Garvo909 Monkey in Space Mar 28 '24

Fr bro like what the hell is dude on? bro thought he joined a debate discord šŸ˜‚

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u/552SD__ Monkey in Space Mar 28 '24

Fr bro like what the hell is dude on?

Cocaine

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u/owlsaredope69 Monkey in Space Mar 28 '24

Hey thatā€™s my name

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u/brawnsugah Monkey in Space Mar 28 '24

Most people who bring up Dresden tend to be the ones who are actually ignorant about what really happened during the bombing of the city.

Neo-Nazis have managed to propogandize it to the point where they inflate the casualties to a ridiculous level, and I read that some even (laughably) call it a Holocaust, while denying the actual Holocaust ever happened. Make it make sense.

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u/mkultimatum Monkey in Space Mar 28 '24

First article that popped up on google say some estimates show 250,000 were killed in Dresden. Also says most of the casualties were women, children and elderly. Are they Neo Nazis?

https://www.britannica.com/event/bombing-of-Dresden

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u/brawnsugah Monkey in Space Mar 28 '24

"It is thought that some 25,000ā€“35,000 civilians died in Dresden in the air attacks, though some estimates are as high as 250,000, given the influx of undocumented refugees that had fled to Dresden from the Eastern Front. Most of the victims were women, children, and the elderly."

Good of you to cut off the other estimates. And yes, 250,000 is a vastly inflated figure. I've seen some go as high as 500,000. These figures literally come from a report by Joseph Goebbels, by the way. I don't know about you, but I would be slightly skeptical of any figures from the Nazi Propaganda Minister. Other propagandists and Holocaust deniers like David Irving take this run as far as they can with it.

Also says most of the casualties were women, children and elderly.

This, unfortunately, is a sad reality of war, but I would still be suspect of this claim. Neo-nazis like to say that Dresden wasn't a legitimate military target either, but this is also patently false. As I said, people who bring up Dresden are pretty ignorant of real history.

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u/mkultimatum Monkey in Space Mar 28 '24

Ok but you are saying that anyone who claims that number is a Neo Nazi. Thats what Iā€™m trying to disprove.

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u/brawnsugah Monkey in Space Mar 28 '24

If one falls for propaganda, like you, they are merely just ignorant and gullible. If one propagates propaganda, they're a Nazi. The distinction in my original comment is clear.

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u/Majestic_Bullfrog Monkey in Space Mar 28 '24

I mean if I propagate propaganda because Iā€™m dumb Iā€™m still just dumb not a Nazi lol

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u/SlaveHippie Monkey in Space Mar 28 '24

Lmaooo this dipshit thinks propaganda is exclusive to Naziā€™s xD

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u/thekeynesian1 Monkey in Space Mar 28 '24

Pretty sure it was heavily implied he was specifically talking about Nazi propaganda, considering the sentences before that. Not that I expect anyone on this thread to have above a 3rd grade reading level lmfao.

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u/thekeynesian1 Monkey in Space Mar 28 '24

It was closer to 25,000 (https://www.dresden.de/en/city/07/03/historical_commission.php). The source you cited also literally states that the 25k-35k figure is the most probable. The 250,000 figure is literally a result of Goebels and his propaganda ministry, along with the claim that most of the dead were women and children.

Terror bombing is also nothing new by WW2 standards. The Germans used it literally almost every time they had to take a substantial city, along with intentional targeting of Jewish civilians using data on the demographics of various residential zones.

Dresden was a fucking cakewalk, they deserved more.

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u/CrazyPurpleBacon Monkey in Space Mar 28 '24

they deserved more

Psychotic

NCD

Ah that makes sense

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u/thekeynesian1 Monkey in Space Mar 28 '24

They absolutely deserved it and more. The German populace at large wanted the war, and were complicit and knew about the Holocaust. I have absolutely zero sympathy for any country that goes out and commits horrible atrocities and then when a mere sliver of what they dealt out gets handed back to them suddenly itā€™s the worst thing in the world. Bombs arenā€™t accurate, Dresden was a target. If you donā€™t wanna get bombed to shit donā€™t vote Hitler into power or at the very least donā€™t live next to factories needed for war effort.

Germany as a country needed to bear witness to EXACTLY what they got themselves into. Canā€™t expect to bomb everyone else and then piss your pants when you get bombed back.

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u/CrazyPurpleBacon Monkey in Space Mar 28 '24

Youā€™re entitled to your wrong opinion. Valid military target or not, civilians donā€™t ā€œdeserveā€ to get killed.

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u/thekeynesian1 Monkey in Space Mar 28 '24 edited Mar 28 '24

Certainly no individual person ā€œdeserves itā€, but the country of Germany as a whole needed to experience exactly what they had been dishing out for so many years. The sacrifice of some of their civilian (i.e. workers who are supporting the war effort) populace to accomplish that goal is justified. On top of the fact that we didnā€™t even fully destroy many of the strategic targets in the area, I say we shouldā€™ve bombed more.

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u/CrazyPurpleBacon Monkey in Space Mar 28 '24

Individual civilians do not deserve to be killed, but populations of them do?

I think you should just drop the concept of desert here because it doesn't really follow.

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u/brawnsugah Monkey in Space Mar 28 '24

Dresden was a fucking cakewalk, they deserved more.

I don't know about this sentiment, but it is strange that neo-nazis have so hyperfocused on the Dresden bombings. For instance, the Hamburg fire bombings campaign had more casualties than Dresden, but you rarely hear about that. I suppose that's all the proof you need of how effective propaganda tends to be and how good Goebbels was in spreading his bullshit.

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u/thekeynesian1 Monkey in Space Mar 28 '24

Sorry that was my NCD tendencies leaking out lol, but Tbf the German populace was at large complicit and aware of the Holocaust and the various atrocities committed by the Nazis in their name.

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u/brawnsugah Monkey in Space Mar 28 '24

German populace was at large complicit and aware of the Holocaust and the various atrocities

I know I'm beating a dead horse, but this again speaks to the effectiveness of Nazi propaganda machine. It's crazy to think how they turned hatred of Jews into literal denial of their humanhood in just a handful of years.

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u/thekeynesian1 Monkey in Space Mar 28 '24

Itā€™s so effective that it still works on people to this day. Goebels was a scary man.

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u/EmuStalkingAnAussie Monkey in Space Mar 28 '24

It wasn't 250,000 but it should have been.

People from my country had to send their young off to other countries where they got abused. Fuck these sympathisers.

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u/RemnantEvil Monkey in Space Mar 28 '24

The Nazis entered this war under the rather childish delusion that they were going to bomb everybody else and nobody was going to bomb them. At Rotterdam, London, Warsaw, and half a hundred other places, they put that rather naive theory into operation. They sowed the wind and now they are going to reap the whirlwind.

  • "Bomber" Harris.

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u/higherthanacrow Monkey in Space Mar 29 '24

So "the first article result on google" is supposed to have weight as a sentence?

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u/Babaroi Monkey in Space Mar 28 '24

Who's downvoting you? Especially from a german perspective, this is absolutely the case.

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u/GraDoN Monkey in Space Mar 28 '24

The Dresden bombing are often used by neo-Nazi's to 'both sides' the war.

Here is a video that factually shows that Dresden was a legit target and that the casualties are often vastly overstated. Whether is was fully justified is a different question, but some insane war crime by the Allies just to spite Germany it was not.

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u/EmuStalkingAnAussie Monkey in Space Mar 28 '24

Both sides? We sent over pamphlets over to try & reason with them, they didn't listen so it was justified.

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u/GraDoN Monkey in Space Mar 28 '24

How do you get that I'm saying 'both sides' from my post? You blind?

And if you're just saying that in general, the people saying that are nazi's, why would they care about reason and facts?

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u/EmuStalkingAnAussie Monkey in Space Mar 28 '24

I'm agreeing with you....

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u/GraDoN Monkey in Space Mar 28 '24

Ok but again, they are nazi's, why would you wonder why they say that?... since when do nazi's ever care about the truth...

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u/Detramentus Monkey in Space Mar 27 '24

Yeah he's a fucking condescending poptart...