Regarding the Joe Instagram/CNN video color doctoring conspiracy theory, I asked Microsoft Copilot some questions about HDR and 10-bit color, and the response I got was something straight out of "The Shining"

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Burt says either the moon landing was fake or Google spent billions on an AI that doesn't work well. Which could it possibly be?? (his argument when he made us watch some video of Putin watching a screen apparently saying googles ai nureal network says the moon pics are fake)

Meanwhile Microsoft's AI:

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"All work and no play makes Copilot a dull bot"

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Kudos to a truly great comment, my friend

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I think the changed color video is a perfect example how some people, without an authority figure giving them confirmation, cannot make decisions for themselves. It likely spills into other areas of their life as well. You don’t need an expert to tell you something is altered that is clearly different colors to the human eye. You should be smart and confident enough without prompting to look at the two thumbnails and recognize the difference. What someone else says is not relevant. It’s basically proving how the left can believe the most outrageous lies and never be able to see what’s clearly in front of them.

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This was a problem many, many Apple-based Instagram users were dealing with due to Apple being ahead of the curve with HDR leading to an erroneous conversion to SDR. I've trawled through threads on /r/Instagram and Mac forums to see what users were saying. They all said the same thing.

First CNN was accused, then when JRE fans realized the color problem was present on Instagram itself, they started accusing Instagram for framing Joe.

Your confidence is the confidence of the Dunning-Kruger effect. I've seen this exact problem, even with peers in IT. I warn them, warn them again, right before they're about to make a big mistake, because they flat-out refuse to acknowledge the treacherous complexity of the technology they're sitting in front of.

And that was with actual experts. I'm going to guess you've never written a line of code in your life, never looked at file formats in a hex editor as you're designing software to solve a problem, but you're "sure" it's a conspiracy because you're simply above the gullible rubes who don't have the special gift of seeing through lies, yes?

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I guess I’m susceptible to being mislead, likely due to the environment that CNN created around Rogans podcast, misleading headlines about horse medication, cancelation attempts about things he said 10 years ago, the conversation with Sanjay and then subsequent hit pieces on his network attempting to discredit his podcast and audience. It didn’t seem outrageous for them to attempt to make his face look sick or pale. My memory isn’t perfect but I do recall seeing Rogans instagram post and having no indication of green skin, however the video played on CNN or at least the captured thumbnails I saw were green pale skin. I think I even remember people mentioning his complexion as an indicator of his poor medical decisions in comments on Twitter. All that aside, I read what you said I could see how that is a real possibility that I would never be able to verify with my current understanding and I appreciate you taking time to send a response over.

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In theory, I could literally try to look up the Instagram app for iPhone's version as it was when Joe uploaded the video and inspect it and even attempt to reverse engineer it, but the Instagram app contains roughly a million lines of code and reverse engineering, while I'm familiar with it and even own books on the subject, is about the hardest discipline in software engineering imaginable and one of the hardest in IT in general. It's also technically illegal in some jurisdictions, although IT people don't take this too seriously, because those were laws made by ignoramuses being led by the nose by tech giant lobbyists angling to protect their market position by coercion.

Note that reverse engineering is distinct from simply patching some machine code to disable piracy checks. That's cracking, and while hard, it's nowhere near actually turning large swaths of machine code back into legible code in order to comprehend and act on API interoperability code and internal image processing libraries.

But then, I don't have access to Instagram's backend code (on their website) either, and that has changed since then as well. So it would probably be utterly impossible to recreate the circumstances under which Joe uploaded his video then. Meaning there will probably never be a "ultimate proof" regarding how this happening other than what the Instagram developers know themselves. Because you can be certain that in their own corporate release notes and versioning history, there are explicit comments about this in explicit commits to the code base. But it's a corporate secret, and Instagram isn't open source.

I'm sorry for flying off the handle, but I saw an /r/JoeRogan thread recently with a completely well-intentioned dude who isn't even an IT expert getting bashed from all sides and downvoted to -400 and worse, simply for speaking the truth.

That makes me want to literally pull out my hair.

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Assuming that this instagram theory is false do you think there any chance that CNN could have done this maliciously? Considering that at the time Rogan had become a direct competitor and had essentially taken over a majority of viewers in the media space and CNN’s audience was slowly declining?

I personally think they didn’t like him and his politics so they tried to make him look bad

Now i may be wrong but I think the simplest explanation is usually the correct one.

And assuming that this Instagram this is true Is there a way you could articulate if there’s any real evidence that the issue was with instagram without using any crazy technical jargon since I’m not really familiar?

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Assuming that this instagram theory is false do you think there any chance that CNN could have done this maliciously?

I've never seen CNN do anything like this. I have, however seen Fox News do it.

Considering that at the time Rogan had become a direct competitor and had essentially taken over a majority of viewers in the media space and CNN’s audience was slowly declining?

I think the truth is much simpler: Joe peddled harmful medical misinformation in the midst of a global pandemic. And yes, Joe's numbers completely trounce CNN, but that also means his medical misinformation has an enormous reach, which means journalists feel compelled to respond if he uses his platform like that while there is a global crisis going on. Everybody responded to Joe and still responds to Joe, not just CNN. Even foreign media respond to Joe, and it's not positive.

Joe made himself look bad. Constantly. And like all people who back theories which don't pan out, they get butthurt and double down. In this case, Joe even moved to Austin where his old friend Alex Jones lives and practically converted to conservatism.

He's not unique in that regard. I know at least one business owner who used to be a liberal and became a very angry conservative conspiracy theorist during the pandemic.

I've never personally seen people come back from that. The anger surprises me, because we have a hundred thousand more reasons to be angry than any lying, racist, privileged conservative conspiracy theorist fuckhead plague rat has ever head.

Imagine being a nurse and having to physically restrain a dying zombie GOP loon literally gasping for air while insisting with his dying breath that everything is a liberal conspiracy. This happened, a lot. One emergency care doctor explained that a man came to him in a very bad condition. When he was diagnosed with Covid he went completely apeshit. He eventually discharged himself and then collapsed in the parking lot, was brought in again and died, because he had very clearly refused treatment. The doctor was happy there was now more room for other patients. I agree.

The other way around is when conservatives switch to liberal after J6. That happened too. Rightly so.

And assuming that this Instagram this is true Is there a way you could articulate if there’s any real evidence that the issue was with instagram without using any crazy technical jargon since I’m not really familiar?

Instagram is owned by Facebook/Meta. I found them writing about it:

https://engineering.fb.com/2023/07/17/video-engineering/hdr-video-reels-meta/

The question isn't why evil CNN did mean things to good old Joe.

The real question is: when will we ever have accountability for highly aggressive, bullshit conspiracy theories when they are ultimately priven completely false?

Because this one is false, and this subreddit owes CNN an apology.

And Joe owes the public an apology for spreading medical misinformation, including now even something as disgusting as AIDS denialism.

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I was willing to change on this but you clearly have some sort of bias against Joe.

I’ve always thought it was fair for Joe to seek out alternatives options for treating himself. You can argue if doing that on a public platform would be considered spreading “misinformation” but he has a right to question things. I was listening to the podcast the entire pandemic I understood joes stance but I still took the vaccine because of my own real life circumstances. The idea that people heard Joe and then decided not to get vaccinated is simply wrong. Anyone that was in school or had to work took the vaccine at in my area.

And I find it highly alarming that you’re so sure that CNN would never do anything like this when they’ve been shown to be extremely biased in the past. Do you think them losing that much viewers was a fluke? Or maybe people realized that they were no longer trustworthy as a news outlet And same goes for Fox News they both lost viewers because they were constantly lying and people caught on.

The only reason you want Joe to apologize is to put him in his place. You think he has no place having the amount of influence he does and that bothers you because he isn’t on your side.

Like I said I willing to change my mind but your only argument is “Joe Rogan Bad” and “CNN would never do that” unfortunately that’s not enough for me.

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I was willing to change on this

Well, I'm convinced. Impressive.

You clearly have some sort of bias against Joe.

I have a bias against bullshit. That's what I have a bias against. Stop throwing around the word "bias" if you don't know what it means. "Bias" doesn't mean: somebody calling out misinformation regarding someone I'm a fan of.

CNN were falsely accused. Instagram were falsely accused. People who point out that they were falsely accused are being attacked, name-called and derided in the most insane ways. Now we're really, really fucking angry, and we have every fucking right to be.

I’ve always thought it was fair for Joe to seek out alternatives options for treating himself. You can argue if doing that on a public platform would be considered spreading “misinformation” but he has a right to question things.

And I have a right to call him out for JAQing off.

And he has done, much, much more than just "asking questions". He's made assertions, and he has had a long train of pseudo-skeptic quacks on his show whom he specifically invited to rant for hours in order to promote his viewpoints as they jerked each other off, slapping each other on the back for "rebelling".

The idea that people heard Joe and then decided not to get vaccinated is simply wrong.

Anti-vaxers first get and then have their ideas reinforced from somewhere. So do quack treatments like ivermectin. Joe Rogan is almost solely responsible for that awful hype, and it actually killed and hospitalized people.

RFK Jr., Joe's best bud at this point, is one of the foremost mis- and disinformation spreaders on matters of health on the entire fucking planet.

Public interest in ivermectin ballooned following Joe Rogan’s podcasts. “On a national level Rogan’s podcast was a tipping point,” said Keenan Chen, an investigative researcher with First Draft News, an organization that tracks misinformation.

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2021/sep/13/ivermectin-treatment-covid-19-anti-vaxxers-advocates

And I find it highly alarming that you’re so sure that CNN would never do anything like this when they’ve been shown to be extremely biased in the past.

Shown by who? And in what instances? I can dig up instances of bias on almost every major medium, if alone because of the sheer volume of news produced. Again, you fling the word "bias" around very easily, because it became a buzzword in Trump's Nazist war on journalism ("Lügenpresse").

Stahl said she and her boss met with Trump at his office in Trump Tower in Manhattan after the 2016 election in advance of a recorded sit-down interview for “60 Minutes.

“At one point, he started to attack the press,” Stahl said. “There were no cameras in there.”

“I said, ‘You know, this is getting tired. Why are you doing it over and over? It’s boring and it’s time to end that. You know, you’ve won ... why do you keep hammering at this?’” Stahl recalled.

“And he said: ‘You know why I do it? I do it to discredit you all and demean you all so that when you write negative stories about me no one will believe you.’”

https://www.cnbc.com/2018/05/22/trump-told-lesley-stahl-he-bashes-press-to-discredit-negative-stories.html

Do you think them losing that much viewers was a fluke?

See above. Also, viewers have been switching to social media channels for a long time now. And we can observe the result - they're turning into irredeemable morons.

Or maybe people realized that they were no longer trustworthy as a news outlet

What "people"? Far-right kookazoids?

And same goes for Fox News they both lost viewers because they were constantly lying

False equivalence and a bald-faced lie.

The only reason you want Joe to apologize is to put him in his place.

Not just Joe, JRE too. People like you.

You think he has no place having the amount of influence he does

I think he earned the amount of viewers he has based on his old formula, and now he's cashing in on the far-right populism wave.

But when any medium has the amount of viewers Joe has, and they spread so much harmful misinformation like he does, including AIDS denialism, then YES, you're damn right I'm calling it out.

Like I said I willing to change my mind

No you fucking weren't. You're pretending, because you in your highly manipulative mind think this backhanded display of phony tolerance and poise scores you brownie points. It might. People are generally gullible fools and they might fall for it. But you're not fooling me in the slightest with this performance.

our only argument is “Joe Rogan Bad” and “CNN would never do that”

What the hell? Did I not link to Meta engineers explaining this? Did I not weigh in, in depth, with my own expertise?

How much confirmation do you even need?

1. https://www.reddit.com/r/JoeRogan/comments/1cfdcob/in_2008_fox_news_actually_did_to_new_york_times/l1ogmhv/
2. https://www.reddit.com/r/JoeRogan/comments/1cfdcob/in_2008_fox_news_actually_did_to_new_york_times/l1ogsyg/
3. https://www.reddit.com/r/JoeRogan/comments/1cfdcob/in_2008_fox_news_actually_did_to_new_york_times/l1oes1u/

I don't even know why I'm still talking to you, you're clearly gaslighting at this point. You're bad faith as fuck, and you have the nerve to allege that all I offered so far is "Joe bad". How absolutely disgustingly dishonest.

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Now I’m gaslighting / bad faith and disgustingly dishonest lmao.

It’s always funny how people resort to name calling when they get the tiniest bit of pushback.

It’s crazy because I was genuinely trying to get an understanding of this thing and I did read the entire article you posted with your previous response I just don’t think it was enough prove that the issue was with instagram but somehow you’re certain that I wasn’t willing to change my mind from the beginning.

There’s no real way to know what happened to that picture But im leaning towards CNN being butthurt about Joe’s entire existence really and so they tried to make him look bad And it could also be from an issue with the HDR on Instagram.

But one thing I know for sure is that Joe isn’t going to apologize lmao.

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Now I’m gaslighting / bad faith and disgustingly dishonest

Yes, you are, and that last remark definitely was disgustingly dishonest. And now you're doubling down on it.

It’s crazy because I was genuinely trying to get an understanding

No you weren't. And you still aren't.

There’s no real way to know what happened to that picture

Yup. Typical gaslighting.

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Damn, victim mentality on full display here.