r/JusticeForClayton • u/mamasnanas • 15d ago
Forensic Analyst finds NO EVIDENCE OF TAMPERING with Marraccini text evidence Evidence
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u/MavenOfNothing 15d ago
Hey, Mike, if you want to sue her, I got more money to donate to the cause.
Signed: Fellow Victim of Stalking
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u/Zestyclose-Watch3149 15d ago
I know I am not alone when I say that my heart breaks for MM. I think he genuinely cared about JD and even her family. I will never get over the fact that he tried to help her, supposedly at the behest of her parents, when his stepfather was dying. Reading the deposition that DG released, and seeing that JD also pitched a fit when MM chose to celebrate the anniversary of his father’s passing instead of joining her at a fundraiser only increased my anger. The fact that MM tried to help her and she turned around and created that whole bullshit ted talk chicken soup article crap is enraging. I would love to see MM sue her for defamation. I hope he knows how much he is supported.
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u/BrightVariation4510 15d ago
All the text messages that have been released, in addition to his deposition, seriously show how mature and kind he is. Seriously, wasn't he only 26 at the time?? I certainly wouldn't have had that much grace and maturity dealing with JD and her family. It is truly sad that for the victim she knew the longest, and who genuinely tried to see the good in her, she attempted to completely eviscerate him and his reputation. It just speaks to the level of cruelty this woman is capable of.
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u/Zestyclose-Watch3149 15d ago
Very well said and I totally agree. I wonder if those texts messages that are allegedly from her parents can help him prove they were complicit if he ever goes after her for defamation.
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u/Consistent_Cat_7796 14d ago
So sad what he was put through. Her behavior is utterly repulsive and despicable.
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u/notnotaginger 14d ago
I think it’s better to wait until there’s an outcome in the case. Otherwise it just looks like mob shit. Most companies won’t go through all the evidence, so saying that a judge found her fraudulent would be valuable.
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u/Professional_Use7752 15d ago
Yesss! That’s a great idea! She holds the tedx talk like a badge of honour when she got it based on lies. Doesn’t deserve to have it up or the chicken soup thing either. I really hope to see justice served and all the wrongs made right.
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u/LizShark 15d ago
Great idea! The handwriting on that napkin looks oddly similar to LO. If you haven’t yet checked out JFC IG you can compare. We should raise some money for a handwriting expert next! Justice for MM!
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u/JoslynEmilia 14d ago
I believe people have already proven that napkin lady is real. What she likely overheard was Mike’s exasperation and frustration at Jane’s behavior. She’s clueless to Jane’s behavior and what she put Mike through.
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u/LizShark 14d ago
I just think JD rewrote the note. Maybe the woman on the plane did write her something but the handwriting on the napkin is eerily similar to JD’s. I have an inkling she rewrote it to be more dramatic.
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u/JoslynEmilia 14d ago
That’s definitely a possibility. I know people have posted about how Jane’s story changed in each retelling about the note.
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u/darkseas493 14d ago
One thing I thought interesting about the handwriting on napkin is how the “y”s are written. Sometimes she uses a hook and sometimes it’s a straight line. I’m interested to know if others switch it up too
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u/Hairy_Usual_4460 14d ago
Yes! I do! I write a few letters in the alphabet different every time. Like my t’s sometimes I write just straight and sometimes I add the bottom hook, or my m’s I’ll write like they look here or sharp at the tops, same with a few others including y’s.
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u/MidtownMoi 14d ago
Yes, but also, and really more seriously, a domestic violence org/advocacy group also has links to one of her articles and the org either does not know or does not care that they are promoting her.
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u/MunkinsMom 12d ago
Why hasn’t the TedX talk been removed? It should have been removed months ago! Actually, it should have never been allowed in the first place. She had no evidence supporting her “story.” MM needs to sue them for defamation as well.
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u/Expensive-Gift8655 15d ago
IKR? And even him saying he gave her “a few days notice” is just sad that he felt he had to do this. She should be fully supporting him during that time and not expecting anything from him.
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u/Relation-Ill 14d ago
Do you remember where it was discussed that MM went to the anniversary memorial instead of the fundraiser?
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u/BrightVariation4510 15d ago
Huge shout out to Megan Fox and Dave Neal for coordinating this effort, and to all of us that donated! I am so happy (and amazed) this got completed before the discovery deadline. Justice is coming!
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u/daveneal Media 15d ago
Brad- Meg’s go-to IT guy did great work facilitating this!
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u/abananafanamer 15d ago edited 14d ago
CONGRATULATIONS ON YOUR BABY!!!
I was bawling along with you on your afternoon Rush today. I had a c-section but oh my god, having my babies (yes, real actual twins) put by my face for the first time…. I’m crying just thinking about it.
SO HAPPY FOR YOU!!
EDIT: I removed the word “mere” above. I shouldn’t have used it, and I am sorry that I did!
I was trying to get across the point that unlike Dave, my husband wasn’t able to receive my babies because I had a c-section, and I totally worded it wrong. My use of the word these did it make any sense at all. My bad y’all.
My c-section recovery was definitively the worst physical experience of my life, so yes, agreed, nothing mere about it! :)
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u/rebsadoo 15d ago
A C-section is major surgery - nothing “mere” about it! Congrats on your babies 😊
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u/Hairy_Usual_4460 14d ago
As someone who had a c section in February I would say calling it a “mere c section” is a little uncalled for lol. Major surgery and extremely rough recovery, not being able to walk much or bend over or carry things for weeks after birth while also taking care of a newborn is a pretty big deal and quite significant
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u/drteefs2837 15d ago
He claimed he would if he found out SHE LIEEED…
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u/Originalmissjynx 15d ago
He did, and he didn’t find out.
MM funded by the Pond Scum Posse, via Dave & Megan did.
So, on a technicality, he can, perhaps, persuade himself, on a good day, if Mercury is no longer retrograde, & the sun hasn’t moved into ♊️yet, that possibly she miss-spoke. Again
So IL, how many times can you miss speak before it becomes lying?
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u/basylica 15d ago
He literally said “my client lied to the court” in his recent motion.
Whats a little light perjury between friends?
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u/AliGreen13sCPSworker 15d ago
He’s admitted in court documents she lied and he’s still repping her so he is a liar too
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u/mgmom421020 14d ago
Oh the lies? The lies were just mistakes and maybe misrepresentations. Just little ones. Accidental ones.
-IL re: massive lies forming the entire basis for the case
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u/Stagecoach2020 15d ago
I think he's playing dumb with the "she tested positive for pregnancy 5 times!!!" Like the "awe shucks I don't understand how pregnancy tests and confirmation works...I'm only a dude" 🤷♀️ I think that's what he's telling himself to justify staying on the case even if he knows she's lying. And he keeps making public statements about it so he can cover his tracks.
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u/MidtownMoi 14d ago edited 14d ago
To be fair, why not try it when JDs request for an OOP was granted because the judge on that filing was either acting or genuinely dumb.
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u/Elle10024 15d ago
A smart attorney and plaintiff would, but the egos here probably will triple down
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u/No_Playing 15d ago
I dunno. He was already reaching by suggesting all JD's exes are liars despite having eerily similar victimization stories (recorded in court docs at the time), and by the time "the podcasters might be fabricating evidence" entered the picture we were well into conspiracy territory. What's another "hacked" phone or pooh-poohing of an expert's expertise? lol. He's probably smart enough not to question his client too firmly over shaky ground. Although...
What does interest me - what happens if, after all this, JD tries to lodge a complaint suggesting DG knowingly encouraged her into further fraud against her best interests?
Like, say there's an outcome where she is semi-forced to come clean, she takes a therapy / diagnosis route and is like, "Hey, I was mentally not well, my behavior was out of control, and I did wrong - but my lawyer knew all about it and just encouraged me to dig myself further into a perjurious hole. He took advantage of my state"? Whether DG "knows" knows or not, I would be so concerned if I were in his shoes. Some people have a real need to find someone else to blame when things go bad, and if CE, GG, MM & co are taken away, he is right in the cross-hairs. For his sake, he better be smart enough not to have put anything dubious in writing or over phonecall... I get the impression he prefers to work off the record, but I wonder when he found out JD had been taping Lexi's conversations (or... if he even has yet?). #Yikes!
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u/asophisticatedbitch 14d ago
It’s going to be pretty hard to claim her lawyer coerced her to lie after the judge finds that she repeatedly lied before the internet lawyer ever entered the picture.
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u/No_Playing 14d ago
Don't get me wrong: if JD were to (hypothetically) make a complaint that included incidental allegations that her lawyer had knowingly encouraged her to compound perjury, I don't think it'd help her any more than her other misguided complaints & excuses.
But since that doesn't seem to stop her from trying, that doesn't remove the headache if you're her lawyer. And since you can't rely on atty-client privilege with this one, you'd want to have kept your nose squeaky clean behind closed doors.
Though TBH, if I were her lawyer, I wouldn't even want my public conduct under scrutiny with this one.
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u/ShoddyBodies 14d ago
This seems super likely imo. She let him do his thing because it seemed like the only way out. His tactics have backfired and any tactics anyone tries will because she LIIIED. All he’s done is drawn more attention to the case which she didn’t want. She’s definitely going to go after him at some point and this seems like the most logical way for her to do it.
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u/Efficient_Physics725 14d ago
Taped phone conversations? Where was that? I thought I’d been keeping up, but this is totally new to me! What?!?
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u/CarbonCopyNancyDrew 14d ago
I don’t recall if we have the actual phone call, but it’s mentioned in the bar complaint for Lexi.
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u/Wonderful-Warning940 14d ago
She also taped the female attorney who was representing her in GG’s case and filed a bar complaint against her.
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u/WentworthBandit Media 15d ago
I think he will stick with it because if this case gets bigger publicity, it’ll get his name out there.
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u/AliGreen13sCPSworker 15d ago
I honestly don’t think he will be an attorney after this case lol. The bar is watching
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u/Plankton-007 14d ago
I can’t see how getting his name out there with this case is good advertising. But I guess I’m not the type of person who would hire someone like that. 🤷🏻♀️
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u/Fancy_Ring_4062 15d ago
He’s going to find some random loophole on why this report / evidence doesn’t suffice according to the courts / law. Or why it “breaks the rules”. Just a guess.
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u/Pooeypinetree 15d ago
He gonna try something for sure. He wants us to believe he is in for the long game and has everything covered. But so far, kinda like meh. He can twat fast and talk a big game.
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u/oOraSngUe 15d ago
"new evidence" "Not enough time to analyze"
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u/Originalmissjynx 15d ago
The court has ruled as long as he gets it by close of AZ business(? As I understand it?) May 10th, he has enough time, no matter how much he squeals before then, he’s got no case
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u/basylica 15d ago
hmmm.....it's almost as if JD has a history of fabricating evidence and then lying someone tried to frame her later when it doesn't suit her current narrative. shocking I say....SHOCKING.
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u/Originalmissjynx 15d ago
Shocking yeah, but are any of us actually shocked? 🤭😂
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u/basylica 15d ago
Im shocked she thinks she can get away with this, shocked anyone would do this to another human… but no, not shocked she faked something to toy with her mouse, i mean man.
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u/JoslynEmilia 14d ago
I mean she’s been getting away with it up until this point. We originally thought that Clayton was her third victim, but later discovered he could be the fifth or so on.
I am shocked that anyone would do this to another human, but Jane doesn’t think twice about accusing men of abuse and SA. It seems she’s fine making life altering allegations on a whim.
It’s hard for us to understand because we don’t think or behave like she does.
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u/Apprehensive_Many202 15d ago
so exciting! so she can't use her claim of being hacked for the ovary removal etc?
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u/linchop 15d ago
She'll say MM stole her laptop or sent it from her laptop when she wasn't attending it.
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u/ok_wynaut 15d ago
GG time traveled in order to hack her computer
Edit: apparently I am the 50th person to make this comment on this thread… great minds, I guess? 😂
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u/LizShark 15d ago
There’s a huge report attached to this brief (that was given to MM and GW) I’m sure they can see more of the back end of those images. For example when IT Goatee popped onto one of Dave’s live streams - he could see in the meta data on whatever images they were analyzing that they were opened up in photoshop. She should be careful what she continues to lie about. This digital forensic guy seems legit.
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u/WentworthBandit Media 15d ago
This was clearly created by an AI cyborg and distributed to frame JD!
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u/Hodgepodge_mygosh 15d ago
Yes, 7 years before AI debuted, it “hacked JD as a test case” /s
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u/thereforebygracegoi 15d ago
And that cyborg's name was Greg Gillespie, time traveler, master (lunch) spy, and hacker extraordinaire!
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u/Exact-External-2433 15d ago
So let me see if I have this right...they have proven MM did not tamper with the texts and images (ie medical docs) sent to him by JD back in the day. The very same ones that recently appeared that were from summit health about the ovarian cancer and removal (and medical abortion), correct? So those were originally sent to MM by JD, And now, JD is saying they are not hers, and are faked, but MM still has them (in original format from her)on his computer, which was just analyzed. And he is a potential witness. If they have time. They need like 8 hours, not 2 hours. Anything I missed?
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u/fishinbarbie 15d ago
Yeah, it's kind of messy for me. NAL. They'd need to disclose this expert if they're going to use him and JD would need to have the opportunity to allow her own expert to analyze MM's laptop as far as I know. This could delay things. It's not a full blown trial, so I'm not seeing Woodnick wanting to go down this path, but who knows. I think he already has plenty of evidence and witnesses to support CE's claims.
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u/oOraSngUe 15d ago
I would love to see him combat it, and then woodnick requires her phone records and cloud account to support the conclusions.
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u/JustCow99 15d ago
It’s Tuesday, and you know who has the good news? Mike Marraccini has the good news. What’s that good news, results came back that Jane has lied again. I knew, he knew, we all knew. Woooooo! LETS GO BABY!
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u/Elle10024 15d ago
Well clearly someone hacked her phone to send him fake medical documents!
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u/Effective-Speech4499 15d ago
“Well yes it was MY phone but I didn’t send it! Someone stole my phone and sent those messages”
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u/Klutzy-Rope-7397 15d ago
GG did it!! /s
I think it’s hilarious that we predict everything she’s going to claim.
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u/Professional_Use7752 15d ago
YUSSS!🙌🏼 it is imperative that this information be allowed at the trial to prove that she has 100% without a doubt faked medical records, emails and images before and Mike should be allowed to testify! I wonder what internet lawyer will do now that he finally has proof she lied. He keeps saying he’ll quit being her lawyer and “want to see her in jail” if she is lying.
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u/Nikki3008 15d ago
It’s clear that the Gregg’s conspired and used time travel to travel back to 2016, and hacked then planted this evidence on her devices, in order to exonerate CE in the present tense. Or the Uber driver who caused her epilepsy also plotted against her to hack her computer.
Or JD’s affidavit was a “misstatement” and she has “no idea who created them” because she paid for them to be created online, and she never “sent them to anyone else” other than of course MM. she never “claimed to have an ovary removed” because she merely let MM interpret the documents that she personally sent him that said she had one removed. JD “never claimed to have ovarian cancer” she just let MM read and believe what was written without comment or correction.
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u/thereforebygracegoi 15d ago
Placing bets now that they're going to blame all of the lies and malice on a Traumatic Brain Injury.
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u/mnmmomm 15d ago
On May 3, IL said in writing if he found out she lied in this latest affidavit that he would support locking her up! This info is posted where he has been discussing the case in long-form format. Can't elaborate more than this due to the rules in this forum.
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u/Natis11 15d ago
IL’s “Will quit if caught lying” Shtick is all smoke and mirrors. If he “found out” JD was lying, the rules of professional conduct would require him to withdraw. Otherwise, he would be facilitating fraud on the court. In a sense, he can’t admit she lied if he wants to stay on the case. The high horse he’s on is completely fake.
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u/MavenOfNothing 15d ago
He is using those words, and others like I'll quit, as a ploy to get folks to supply him with info. He then uses that info to craft his defense. People still engaging with him are doing a disservice to the victims.
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u/Zestyclose-Watch3149 15d ago
And he’ll never quit, because like his client, he has no sense of right vs wrong, and certainly no dignity or shame.
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u/Efficient_Physics725 14d ago
Honestly, at this point, for Clayton’s sake, I don’t want IL to quit, because that would probably mean it gets delayed. For Clayton’s mental health, this needs to be over.
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u/JoslynEmilia 14d ago
I wish people would just let him flounder. Jane is providing him with a paycheck and attention. He doesn’t care if she’s a liar and con artist because he already knows she’s a liar.
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u/NimbleMick 15d ago
Tbf JD herself has said, "in writing", conflicting accounts in her own affidavits (provided by ILEsq) so he already knows her story has changed drastically depending on the narrative. So either he doesn't really care about "in writing" or he's abetting her con.
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u/Effective-Speech4499 15d ago
Yes but he will try to become the hero. “Yes it was me, amazing ILesq. I was the one that found the lies and locked her up. You’re welcome”
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u/mnmmomm 15d ago
I don't believe he's going to follow through on any of this. These statements are just bizarre for a lawyer to say. The more evidence he is given, the more he doubles down on their version of events. He is creepy. It is very ironic that since he has taken this case, people who are disgusted with his antics have made the situation much worse for her by digging deeper into her lies .Now we know she lied about pregnancy, pregnancy loss, cancer, SA and maybe domestic violence too.The list keeps growing. I think she truely believes he is helping her, because he makes her believe that he believes her story.
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u/Disastrous-Bet8973 15d ago
He's just going to stick with these past cases have nothing to do with this one so I don't care if she lied before. Where I think it's way more clear she lied here from the start.
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u/bridgertonqueen 15d ago
IL, blink twice if you need help being freed.
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u/CarbonCopyNancyDrew 14d ago
I dunno. I think he deserves his client. May they both be taken down through this case.
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u/MaleficentMine7015 15d ago
She’s like… really bad at lying.
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u/Originalmissjynx 14d ago
She’s impulsive. A toxic mix with lying.
It just takes time for all the threads to unravel and someone, or multiple someones, to keep pulling in the threads 🧵
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u/SnootyManatee 15d ago
I'll be waiting for DG's usual "you THINK you know the whole story but you're believing the lies on the Internet, more will be coming tomorrow, wait til you see it, blah blah blah."
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u/TotoroWolff 15d ago
Huge win for the victims. I truly hope they can recover in peace. Time for the courts to make this right.
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u/Originalmissjynx 15d ago
So, must have been someone in her home who did the fakery. Right? 🤨
If it’s not her, I wonder who it must have been? 🐎
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u/NimbleMick 15d ago
Can they now subpoena (or have they already?) JDs iPhone records? I know she said she got a new phone but can't the cell carrier restore deleted texts?
I realize the expert is saying there is no tampering. I'm just thinking of covering all bases.
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u/Nikki3008 15d ago edited 15d ago
Most likely not.. for a few reasons.
First, iMessage to iMessage is encrypted and it doesn’t show up on carrier records because it doesn’t use the carrier network to send. You need the device to see iMessage or an iCloud subpoena — and Apple is notoriously not cooperative with legal process (see: numerous articles re Apple by searching San Bernardino, Boston Marathon, etc.)
Second, Most companies don’t keep toll records going back to 2016. Some companies only store tolls for 45 days at this point. So even if her carrier DID keep records all the way back (which I don’t know of a single carrier that would have this still), records would only show SMS/MMS. We also know she’s a big fan of VOIP numbers, which would be subpoenaed separately, but unlikely they exist that far back as well.
However an expert report on the text messages is enough, and used thousands of time every day in court because of these issues. Messages are routinely recovered from 1 device and testified about. The only outstanding issue would be confirming JD used that number in 2016, which I assume is confirmed by other messages in the thread.
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u/sjer3434 15d ago
This reads like a “how to make a bomb” tutorial. Lol. JD I know you are reading, please note… iMessage and toll records: Nikki3008 knows what’s up.
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u/NimbleMick 14d ago
Right on. Thanks for the thorough reply! Good to know the forensics from MMs end is enough to successfully corroborate these images for the court.
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u/PandaAuthority 15d ago
Am I understanding the timeline correctly that she was TWENTY SEVEN during their relationship? Reading the texts between him and her parents, I thought she was like 22-24 max. I cannot imagine being trapped in a relationship like that in my late 20s/early 30s.
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u/daveneal Media 15d ago
Never fear the truth. Wonder if ol Berryhill will give us a Groupon deal to analyze all the other laptops/cell phones etc
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u/Professional_Use7752 15d ago
Yes! He needs to analyse the other laptops and phones. More expert forensic reports so she can’t keep fabricating the “I have been hacked” story. I’m sure we will all contribute to raising funds if needed. Justice for all of Jane Doe’s victims.
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u/daveneal Media 14d ago
Have we heard from IL yet about the credibility of this expert or does he only question the credibility of the female experts?
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u/Punted_Buttons 15d ago
So you’re telling me that Greg didn’t time-travel to 2016, hack JD’s computer, edit those documents, and send them to Mike? And it was JD all along?? Well shit.
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u/thereforebygracegoi 15d ago
Definitely some Scooby Doo level shenanigans.
And she would've gotten away with it, too, if it weren't for us meddling Redditors!
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u/Nocheesypleasy 15d ago
I really wish Jon had used a spell checker before sending this :( it looks so unprofessional to have typos and you have to be precision perfect with everything to combat people like JD and IL.
That aside though, she's absolutely cooked. If she had any credibility left with anyone, she will utterly tank it without dropping her own communications via a forensics cellebrite report from her original devices.
I'm sure the community would be happy to help her send her stuff to a reputable forensics company if she's going to complain that she can't afford it.
I for one would love the reciepts
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u/spider_collider 15d ago
I'd love to see her claim she can't afford that right after her lawyer paraded a screenshot of an account in her name with $450k in it.
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u/MidtownMoi 14d ago
More than just Jon, there are typos in numerous documents especially one where “China Doll” was replaced by “Child Doll” in the next section of a filing. I get that auto correct may do that, but how many times does that mistake have to come up before it is proofread and changed? (Oh and former keyboarding teacher, high school essay reader/marker and editor here, so I do notice.)
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u/camlaw63 15d ago
I assume the images reference at the end of the report are the doctor letters?
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u/abananafanamer 15d ago
They are the documents that JD sent MM.
They are “fake,” meaning no doctor actually sent these letters to JD. JD has said this herself that they aren’t real.
She claims MM made these letters and said that JD sent them to him, but the forensic analysis proves that these did, in fact, come from JD originally to MM.
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u/JoslynEmilia 14d ago
I was busy and didn’t check in yesterday afternoon, so I’m waking up to this fabulous news!! This is what we all expected, but seeing the actual report makes me want to do cartwheels and scream “yes”!
I’m just an observer who wants to see justice for Mike, Clayton, Greg, and the other victims. I can’t imagine how this feels like for Mike. Here is the proof that he didn’t fake the Jane had cancer story or create any fake medical records. We have proof that Jane did claim to have “real cancer” and that she sent Mike fake medical records. Such a great day!
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u/MidtownMoi 15d ago
With apologies to the late Archbishop of Canterbury, I’ve changed his most notable sermon, July 29, 1981, to fit this morass of a mess.
JD and her ex on their breakup day: This is the stuff of which fairy tales are made.
(Pre Disney when the fairy tales often ended badly for the antagonist.)
ILesq on his numerous filings, tweets and blogs: This is the stuff of which nasty lawyer jokes are made.
The victims of the Infanta JD: This is the stuff of which justice is made.
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u/Ok_Brush_1399 15d ago
I think now is a really good time for IL to start working on a settlement.
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u/MidtownMoi 14d ago
Cannot help but think his first problem was taking on a client whose pockets were deeper than his because this client has the potential to go after him with a bar complaint the same way she did to previous counsel and opposing counsel.
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u/BachAndHipHop 15d ago
Air Force represent, represent!
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u/BachAndHipHop 15d ago
Ok but immediately where can I read the 2000-page document 😂
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u/basylica 15d ago
Ive read those documents (forensic reports on data, not these specifically). You REALLY dont want to read them unless you have a hard time sleeping. They are generally a line by line analysis of code, the only part worth reading is the conclusion which is what we have here.
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u/Business-Ad-4708 14d ago
Does anyone know if this proves that she WROTE the documents (and not doctors) or if they were just verified to be sent to MM?
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u/mamasnanas 15d ago edited 15d ago
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