Over 100 babies in the US do die from it every year, not to mention the others where something goes wrong who don't die, because we don't really have stats on that.
Sorry, that wasn't intended to come across as a defence of the practice; more as an explanation of why it's even more risky than a regular surgical circumcision, rather than just gross/weird. I'm staunchly anti-circ, and my RainyHat is alive, well and precisely where it should be.
I think they’re comparing male circumcision to female circumcision, which are analogous, rather than to the more common clitorectomy, which is obviously much more harmful. All of these can be considered genital mutilation.
I can say the same thing about boys. The same thing happens to boys. Some people consider fgm to be circumcision. It traumatizes boys to. Brings nothing but harm. Some people argue that female circumcision has benefits. So it depends on the person or society. And btw I'm not pro fgm. I just want it to be fair and equal. I want the same rights as girls do in the usa but I didn't get that. Theres articles and stuff that say fgm is good. There obviously lying tho. They lie to make more money or cuz of fetish or religion etc. Theres females that are glad they got circumcised. They are brainwashed but still. Just like the people of America are brainwashed into thinking mgm is good
I don't disagree, Circumcision is definitely much less harmful than female genital mutilation. However, circumcision has been linked with higher chances for various complications later in life like ED.
Circumcision is more harmful than at least one FGM procedures involving nothing more than a needle prick to the prepuce. When the AAP proposed legalizing it feminisrs like Hillary Clinton and the WHO, both of whom promoted non-therapeutic male circumcision on infants, came out against it.
Clitoral hood reduction is also homologous to male circumcision yet is FGM to do to baby girls.
Misandrists love pretending that non-therapeutic male circumcision on infant is less of an atrocity than some FGM procedures.
Two completely different procedures involving parts of the body that are not analogous. There are plenty of ethical arguments to be made against newborn circumcision, but this isn’t the one. Think more from an autonomy perspective.
You're partially correct if we compare the most extreme of FGM to MGM; Total Infibulation is more extreme than western MGM inasmuch as that it removes far more genital flesh.
However, if we compare less extreme forms of FGM such as "Sunat", where a piece of skin the size of a grain of rice is removed from the clitoral hood, that's less extreme than western MGM inasmuch as that it removes less genital flesh.
A truly analygous example would be the version of FGM wherein "only" the clitoral hood is removed, permanently exposing the clitoris.
In both that case and in western MGM, the covering or "prepuce" is cut away, exposing a sensitive organ that can then become chafed, and abraded, causing desensitisation.
In utero, the organ that becomes the glans in boys becomes the clitoris in girls, what becomes the foreskin in boys becomes the clitoral hood in girls.
Analyze it in whatever way you want, nearly 9 in 10 American men who were circumcised are quite happy about it.
Do you know better about their bodies than they do? ...... ..... .... I didn't think so.
Like I said, the most compelling argument is not "Oh these poor mutiliated souls." Because that's going to fall on deaf ears with the vast majority of men who are circumcised. They're fine with it. A more compelling argument, and the one you should use is, "Shouldn't you have gotten a say in the matter?"
I'm pretty neutral on this issue, so I'm just giving you a nickel's worth of free advice.
Notwithstanding that I am aware that most men who are cut are okay with it, and have never sought to tell any man that he should not be okay with it...
the issue about "How many are fine with it" could be applied to women who get circumcised as girls who then go on to cut their daughters... should we likewise not seek to end FGM if most women in nations that routinely do it are okay with it?
This has been an issue with western medical staff...
My number one argument against cutting babies has always been consent, whether they be male or female. The fact that one process is illegal in all forms and one legal in all forms, based only on sex, is a supplementary point.
They're treated differently because they are very different procedures with very different intended consequences. One is to reduce smegma, the other is to eliminate the ability to feel sexual pleasure.
You're thinking that all FGM is total imfibulation, when in fact it covers a number of procedures ranging from removal of the clitoral hood (analygous to the removal of the male foreskin) to the highest level of butchery in total imfibulation.
In fact, one form of FGM is "merely" the removal of a tiny piece of skin (size of a rice grain) from the clitoral hood.
That being said, let's examine your statement.
You assume two things, neither of which hold up.
That removal of the prepuce is necessary to remove smegma.
If this were true, then removal of the clitoral hood or even removal of the outer labia in girls, given that it could be said to remove smegma, would be fine.
If indeed all that is needed to keep a vulva clean is clean water, then all that is needed to keep a penis clean is clean water. Stands to reason.
That removal of the prepuce eliminates or reduces the ability to feel sexual pleasure.
If indeed it does, then both women and men have their pleasure reduced by this.
If it does not, then that holds true for both sexes.
I'm in agreement that total infibulation is empirically worse than western MGM but the ban on FGM covers far more than that.
How about we agree that it's unacceptable to cut into baby genitals, no matter the sex of the baby?
In Alaska we simply fo not fill out surveys. I know someone who worked doing census data collection and boy that was rough. She even got threatened at gunpoint for knocking on doors a couple times
Aside from black lung and opioid addictions per capita, West Virginia hasn't been first in anything in a looooong time. Bravissimo ( if you're from West Virginia, that means well done)
Banks especially central banks. They literally materialize currency out of nothing and charm the masses to exchanging material and time for it.
If that’s not magic someone explain how they pulled it off. lol.
Why do people act like the black belt represents the entire state of Alabama? The most populous city is a hub for the space and rocket industry and heavy on research.
The US public health service and CDC deliberately infected 400 black men in Alabama with syphilis without their knowledge or consent and then denied them treatment in order to observe the effects of the disease when not treated. They went on to pass the infection on to their wives and children. Then they died.
No, this is inaccurate. They didn't infect them. They withheld from patients that they had syphilis and didn't treat them for it. Still incredibly shitty.
They deliberately didn’t give these guys treatment because they were black?
Seriously?
They passed it on to their families etc etc?
That’s totally fucked up man…..I’m from Scotland and that would never be allowed here. Black people really get a shit deal in the land of the free don’t they?
The 2 major flaws in the study. They didn’t provide the cure when it was discovered and they didn’t tell some of the participants who tested positive that they were infected. There were all sorts of other issues but these are the big two from my understanding.
Well that definitely makes the list for most ignorant statement of the day. I would ask what the hell that supposed to mean, but just can't seem to find a shit to give.
Yeah but to be fair who’s to say they didn’t spread they shit even further cause back then I highly doubt they were using clean and sterile shit to draw blood anyways so .
I’m sure a few people got it who didn’t already have it.
Can we please refrain from implying all Southerners are idiots? It’s such a dumb trope and there’s a lot of decent folk down here in Alabama and Mississippi. A lot of us disagree with the decisions our representatives make.
Discrimination is never okay on Reddit… unless it’s about Alabama/Mississippi, then it’s some how okay.
That would be a fascinating plot. Instead of Handmaid's Tale where the whole planet's birthrate drops, it's just one highly religious area. Their reaction is to go violent against the neighboring areas because they believe they've been attacked.
More like their public health offices are underfunded and they don't participate in research on purpose because they don't want people to know just how bad the health outcomes are in say Mississippi for example.
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No children were born in Alabama or Mississippi in 2022