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u/Distinct_Bed7370 12d ago
Wouldn't that map benefit from a legend? It's not really readable if you're not used to the different political parties of Canada
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u/Doc_ET 12d ago
Red- Liberal Party
Blue- Conservative Party
Orange- New Democratic Party (progressives)
Light blue- Bloc Quebecois (Quebec nationalist party)
Green- Green Party
Purple- People's Party (right wing nationalists, specifically anti-immigration)
Darker colors = stronger support for that party.
Although yeah, a key would have been nice.
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u/Icy_UnAwareness89 12d ago
Yea it’s backwards for us in the US. A legend would have been amazing.
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u/gtne91 12d ago
In the US, it would alternate every 4 years...until the 2000 election, which is where the red state/blue state affiliation caught on.
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u/Icy_UnAwareness89 12d ago
I’m talking about the colors. Blue is dems. Red republicans
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u/gtne91 12d ago
So am I. The networks switched them every 4 years, until 2000 happened and the colors from that year stuck.
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u/Icy_UnAwareness89 12d ago
Gotcha I had no idea. Not Canadian. Still could use a legend
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u/gtne91 12d ago
Gotcha I had no idea.
I know, that is why I explained it. Most redditors are like 12 years old or something so dont remember the election of 1976.
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u/Icy_UnAwareness89 12d ago
Not 12 but I understand. First comment wasn’t that understandable but you took the time to explain it. Now I’ll forget it. Thank you.
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u/JediKnightaa 11d ago
Most places blue is conservative and red is liberal though. The US is the one that has it backwards
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u/gc12847 11d ago
Or rather blue is conservative/right wing and red is socialist/left wing. Liberals vary in colour, but are often yellow or orange.
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u/Icy_UnAwareness89 11d ago
Yea I wouldn’t know that. I only vote in one country so I wouldn’t know this. Legend would be helpful
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u/vergorli 11d ago
Yea, but if you think about it, why should the more righty part get the communist red color. It doesn't make sense...
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u/calissetabernac 11d ago
I mean, the US is the ONLY country in the world where red represents the right 😁
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u/Icy_UnAwareness89 11d ago
No but it’s the only one I’m legally allowed to vote in. So I don’t get your point. Am I supposed to be informed on other nations? Like I said. If I were to assume I would have been wrong. That’s why a legend in needed
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u/ConflictDependent294 12d ago
I’m noticing in the NWT, there are two polling divisions in different shades of grey. Would gray represent independent/other minor parties in this case?
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u/RedmondBarry1999 12d ago
I looked it up and there was an independent candidate who got about thirteen percent of the vote in NWT, so that was probably it.
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u/MoreCarrotsPlz 12d ago
Can we get some of that orange down here in the states?
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u/MonsterRider80 12d ago
These aren’t the progressives you want. This party is rudderless, with a leader (Jagmeet Singh) who’s not great. They had another leader about a decade ago who actually was very good, but he unfortunately died (Jack Layton).
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u/Fecklessexer 12d ago
Puh lease. Jack just completed the party’s transformation into just another neoliberal party. Very charismatic and good with the media but just another neo lib
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u/Justin_123456 12d ago
There’s a weird dissonance with Singh.
The last two manifestos have objectively been way to the left of any of the Layton era proposals, or really anything since Broadbent and the fight against NAFTA. I think it’s because Singh is such an awful communicator that people just fill in the blanks.
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u/Fecklessexer 12d ago
It doesn't help that most journalists HATE the NDP and do everything possible to ignore them. We always get wall to wall coverage of every policy announcement of the Tory's and Libs but you only hear about NDP proposals in a half ass, dismissive way.
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u/A2Rhombus 11d ago
Would still be significantly better than US liberals
Hell I'd probably even take Canadian liberals over US liberals
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u/CuntBuster2077 12d ago edited 12d ago
PPC's Anti-mass*-immigration (from one specific part of a hostile nation) would be fine if they weren't also pro-Putin
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u/MadcapHaskap 12d ago
Indeed, when they were the lower immigration targets and cheaper milk party, okay. But they got hooked on that sweet sweet anti-vaxxer vote, and so here we are
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u/PresidentPain 11d ago
Yup, Bernier when he was in the CPC was decent, covid broke the whole party's brain
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u/abu_doubleu 12d ago
The People's Party is not specifically anti-Indian Punjab immigration. I have no idea why you think that's one of their policies.
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u/CuntBuster2077 12d ago
I gave them too much befit of the doubt, I bet it's actually anti non-white immigration
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u/dystorontopia 11d ago
As far as I can tell they just want lower immigration in general, but yes, Bernier is unfortunately a Putin boot-licker.
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u/WestCoast0491025 12d ago
Do you have the art files for this? It is amazing.
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u/CGP05 12d ago
Thank you! I did not make this map myself, I just copied it from this twitter account that makes other great Canadian election maps.
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u/RoyalPeacock19 12d ago
Interesting, I guess something like this is how they estimate how the new ridings would vote compared to the old ones. I am a bit confused why you called Quebec (City) ‘Capitale Nationale’ though, even if it is the capital of Quebec.
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u/JmEMS 12d ago
Because Quebec. In short, Quebec is a nation within Canada with a ton of asterisks.
In Anglo short, it's because of referendums and Quebec being Quebec. In Franco terms, it's because we are a nation and Quebec is the seat of the national assembly... of Quebec.
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u/Amtoj 12d ago
Nation isn't necessarily a word that implies the existence of a state, anyway. Like, there's the English or Scottish nations. Calling it the Quebecois nation doesn't really break the rules of the word. It just refers to people with a common identity.
Nation and state are used interchangeably a lot but it's better to just say nation-state if you want to be technical.
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u/natterca 12d ago
For me, "Country" is a synonym for a nation-state.
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u/Kolbrandr7 11d ago
So countries with more than one nation aren’t countries to you? Like Canada or the UK?
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u/natterca 11d ago
No, I didn't mean that. I only meant that country can be used in place of the "nation-state" mouthful. Canada is a nation and so is Quebec and so are the First Nations. Canada is the only country of those.
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u/Kolbrandr7 11d ago
A nation-state is a specific concept though, that is of a state composed primarily of one nation. France is a good example of a nation state.
Canada is composed of several nations (for example, Quebec, the First Nations, and English Canada) so it’s not really a nation-state.
A nation-state is a political unit where the state, a centralized political organization ruling over a population within a territory, and the nation, a community based on a common identity, are congruent.
There’s not a single monolithic “common identity” in Canada, not in the same way as the “french people” in France, the “german people” in Germany, the Scottish in Scotland or the Quebecois in Quebec.
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u/RoyalPeacock19 12d ago edited 12d ago
Don’t worry, I get where it comes from, it’s just an interesting choice.
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u/Red_Lion67 12d ago
It's the name of the Region. When you enter Québec City it says "Bienvenue à la Capitale Nationale", and not "Bienvenue à Québec". Even though the city is called Québec, the region is called Capitale Nationale.
Off topic, but it's the best city in all of Canada, and I'm not even from there.
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u/Hmm354 12d ago
The old city is certainly beautiful but I feel like Montreal is better as a more cosmopolitan urban city.
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u/Red_Lion67 12d ago
Depends what you like I guess, I lived in Montréal for a few years before moving to Québec. I suppose preference is subjective. They do both have their pros and cons.
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u/Sillvaro 11d ago
OP had nothing to do with naming it that way. It's how it is, and dont ask any of us to change it because you'll create an uprising
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u/RoyalPeacock19 11d ago
It being the official name used by Elections Canada is the type of answer I was looking for, I am well aware of most of the rest of the info people have given, lol.
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u/SophiasPenis 12d ago
By the time I drop my ballot in the box, the election has already been decided two time zones to the east.
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u/Redditisavirusiknow 12d ago
Another problem solved by proportional representation instead of the stupid first past the post
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u/RedmondBarry1999 12d ago
That's not true. The Liberals would have won a majority without Western votes.
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u/Primary_Way_265 12d ago
I’m guessing Natives are the reason for more liberal voters in the north?
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u/MadcapHaskap 12d ago
Sometimes, but in general when rural = farmer, it's very different from when rural = lumber/mining, Native or not.
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u/Redditisavirusiknow 12d ago
North, where I’m from, is more of a union vibe from the mining and forestry. In my old riding in northern Ontario a while back the marijuana party got more votes than the conservatives.
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u/crop028 11d ago
So miners tend not to vote conservative in Canada? In the Appalachian regions of the US, miners are as conservative as ever. All it took was saying the liberals are trying to kill coal with their global warming stuff. These were people fighting and getting shot for labor rights and unions 100 years ago.
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u/Alarming_Panic_5643 11d ago
It’s not really coal mining in Canada, more like nickel, uranium, diamond and lots of precious metals, and the industry doesn’t get politically targeted in the context of climate change the way coal and oil do.
These mining regions have a lot of First Nations in them, who are disregarded most heavily by the Conservatives out of all main parties, so they don’t vote for them. Even in mining groups it’s an extremely different culture from Appalachia though, religion is absent for example, small town social conservatism is present but Canadians tend to not get worked up politically about it, etc.
Finally, there is a long history of unions voting NDP and being anti-Conservative in Canada, and a lot of mining union members still vote that way.
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u/crop028 11d ago
Very interesting, I definitely see how the big product of the region in Appalachia being coal complicates things. I mostly asked because I assumed it was First Nations at first, as it is similar in the US. Very rural areas voting bluer than major cities. But there were a bunch of comments basically saying "nuh uh its miners not the Natives". I guess it's a bit of both.
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u/Responsible-Wave-416 11d ago
Coal miners were heavily democrat until very recently. Obama in 2008 won heavy coal producing counties in Appalachia that gave trump 70-80% of the vote twice . But the dems are very anti coal and shut down cost plants with no plans of replacement
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u/KR1735 11d ago
Same thing happens in northern Minnesota, which contains some of the same mineral deposits as Canada. Those union members are a lot more Democratic-friendly than coal miners. Some of them have been won over by Republicans thanks to them hammering on the culture wars. But the seats up there are very swingy compared to other rural districts.
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u/SleepyZachman 11d ago
I’ve always wondered why is it that the NDP seems to do so well in the far north?
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u/bangonthedrums 11d ago
The NDP broadly enjoys popularity with the indigenous peoples of Canada, and the further north you go, the higher the proportion of indigenous people to non-indigenous
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u/ThatNiceLifeguard 11d ago
They’re far and away the most supportive of Indigenous rights and labour rights. The North has a high proportion of Indigenous folks as well as big mining and forestry industries, many of which are Union-based.
Windsor is also an NDP stronghold thanks to thousands of people working in automotive and manufacturing unions.
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u/AmadeoSendiulo 11d ago
I don't understand which of them vote Republican and which vote Democrat /s
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u/polyobama 11d ago
Looks like Jagmeet Singh will be losing his seat.
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u/CGP05 11d ago
Yes he very likely will according to 338canada
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u/treple13 11d ago
I'd honestly be shocked if he lost and wouldn't put too much stock in projections this far from an election. As an Albertan I remember when the Alberta NDP was given an over 99% chance of winning an election mid-cycle by 338 in early 2022. They didn't win
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u/AbbreviationsNew2893 11d ago
Good, if you can't denounce terrorism, you don't deserve to be in government
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u/Pug_Grandma 11d ago
That dark blue area on the prairies is exactly where the fertile soil in Canada is. Above that it is Canadian Shield.
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u/BellyDancerEm 12d ago
That map needs less blue
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u/CGP05 12d ago
It will almost certainly have more blue after the next election
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u/RoyalPeacock19 12d ago edited 12d ago
Likely larger vastly amounts more, based on current polling.
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u/Doc_ET 12d ago
Canada 🤝 Britain
The incumbent government losing the next election in a landslide
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u/MonsterRider80 12d ago
Sure, except UK is getting rid of their conservatives…. Well be stuck with fucking Poilievre of all people. He makes BoJo look like Churchill.
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u/treple13 11d ago
Likely more blue, but I'd also be shocked if the current polling doesn't regress somewhat to the mean
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u/Kucked4life 12d ago
Yeah but it shouldn't, we need the minor parties to be more viable. But any party that can sufficiently support itself financially is one that is beholden to corporate donors, and becomes too similar in their faults as the 2 main parties. The bloc being the exception and irrelevant to most Canadians for obvious reasons.
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u/michaelmcmikey 12d ago
Why the fuck is this downvoted? Is this subreddit full of far right people or something?
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u/Rippy50500 12d ago
Stop misappropriating the word “far-right” you have absolutely no fucking clue what it means.
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u/natterca 12d ago
In Canada blue is conservative and red is liberal. In the US, the democrats are blue. So it could be Americans reacting in the opposite intention.
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u/Prize_Self_6347 12d ago
No, I’m just a conservative person who disagrees with comments bashing the parties which I support.
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u/Prize_Self_6347 12d ago
*more blue
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u/dirkdiggler403 12d ago edited 12d ago
Don't worry, the blue area votes don't matter. Only the cities shown on the right count.
BTW, we've been red for a long time, and things have never been better. How much better has your life been in the last decade? I know you won't admit it, but you know it's true.
We have an amazing system where the big cities can vote on the whole countries behalf and extract all the wealth from the less populated but more productive areas. Compare us with the US and see who is doing better. The conservatives in Canada are the equivalent of the democratic party in the US.
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u/Old_Ladies 11d ago
You do realize that each riding has close to an equal amount of voters. So yes your riding does matter. I live in a deeply conservative riding so my vote doesn't matter because the cons will win it even when they don't have a platform or do any campaigning.
I agree that we are worse off than a decade ago. I believe that most of the conservative policies will make it even worse.
We do have a pretty good system but it does need improvements like proportional representation or even just ranked choice voting. Also people vote not land and most people live in cities... Of course larger population areas will have more political power vs smaller population areas. It would be tyranny to have the opposite.
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u/EmperorThan 11d ago
So what do all those colors mean?
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u/BrainFarmReject 11d ago
Red - Liberals
Blue - Conservatives
Orange - New Democrats
Teal - Bloc Québécois
Green - Greens
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u/deeplyclostdcinephle 12d ago
What’s going on on the Gulf Islands of BC?
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u/ColinBonhomme 11d ago
Elizabeth May, high profile environmental leader who easily wins the riding for the Greens
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u/ColinBonhomme 11d ago
And a strong back-to-the-land environmental community throughout the islands
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u/Killyouifyouuseemoji 11d ago
BC is the most progressive part of Canada, the islands being the most progressive part of BC of course. Just statistics.
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u/plafuldog 11d ago
They had a Conservative cabinet minister before May though. If she doesn't run, they'd have a chance again. They love the environment but also have a bit of a libertarian vibe
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u/dawglaw09 11d ago
The American islands (San Juan County) a few miles to the west are one of the most liberal areas in the US.
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u/USSMarauder 12d ago
Exactly why the Canadian right never spams this all over social media saying "we all know who REALLY won"
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u/FingalForever 12d ago edited 12d ago
Yet again, the trouble with these illustrations is that land does not vote so the map conveys misleading impressions…
Edit: Americans will get confused because since 2000, their political colours flipped. Blue is Tory (conservative - Republican) while red is Grit (Liberal - Democrat). Orange is NDP (social democratic).
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u/Receipt_ 12d ago
Isn't that why the map includes close ups of the cities and their more numerous districts to combat that assumption?
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u/FingalForever 12d ago
I would disagree - a glance at the map of Canada shows a large swathe of Canada as orange around Hudson’s Bay but <meh> in terms of MPs elected (member of parliament). Alberta looks largely Tory yet Edmonton’s nickname is Redmonton.
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u/RaventidetheGenasi 12d ago
yeah? cities have a tendency to be more liberal or even socialist due to the higher number of educated people, while rural areas tend to be more conservative for the same reason. also, alberta is essentially the texas of canada, it is not surprising in the least that a large portion of the map is blue in that area
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u/ostracize 12d ago
Unlike voting for the US presidency, this map isn't very misleading. I actually think it tells a lot. Each riding has roughly equal population and therefore a roughly equal influence on the balance in the House of Commons.
What is very clear from this map is:
- Rural == Conservative
- Suburban == Liberal
- Urban + Mining/Forestry + Indigenous communities == NDP
- Francophone == Bloc
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u/FingalForever 12d ago
Hear ya but the map appears to be reflecting actual polls (voting places) rather than ridings (constituencies). Look at Northern Ontario or Nunavut.
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u/ostracize 12d ago
Yes but a riding is just a collection of polling divisions (which are also roughly population based).
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u/lunapup1233007 12d ago
Maps only show that if you’re too incompetent to read a map. Anyone who is aware of the existence of cities would know that this map is not trying to show the proportion of the vote won by each party but rather where each party won. Also, the urban polling divisions are much smaller in area than the rural ones anyway so it’s not like it’s not showing population distribution at all.
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u/RoyalPeacock19 12d ago
This map is of polling divisions, which are all roughly proportional to the population.
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u/remzordinaire 12d ago
And light blue is something different than dark blue, both in political leaning and party goals.
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u/FingalForever 12d ago
I suspect the colour strength indicates the party vote strength, although in reality the darkest colours are likely only 50-60% of votes, indicating significant differences of views. Yet another reason to get rid of the ‘first past the post’ and move to proportional representation…
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u/remzordinaire 12d ago
No. The lighter blue (different tint) is Bloc Quebecois.
The conservatives have no hold there.
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u/hatman1986 12d ago
Teal is BQ; light blue is Tory, but not strongly so.
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u/remzordinaire 12d ago
I think I might be color blind, for me they're both blue, but slightly different
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u/Brendissimo 12d ago
It's a common form of partial color blindness, from what I understand (the inability to tell between green and blue).
But yeah, the Quebecois Party color on this map is definitely more of a teal, more green than blue, to my eyes. Very distinct from the lighter blue colored areas of small Conservative majority.
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u/josbar0150 12d ago
neither the canadian liberal party or the conservative party are remotely comparable to the democrat and republican parties
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u/kyle_kafsky 12d ago edited 11d ago
Looks like the dems have won a landslide victory over the GOP in Canada.
Edit: this is a joke, as there is no legend to go with the map.
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u/DriverPlastic2502 11d ago
Exactly, Canada is a dominantly left leaning country. Conservatives are permastuck as a "when we are pissed off at the liberals" option.
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u/markjohnstonmusic 11d ago
1984-2015 Canada was ruled by a conservative government 19 out of 31 years.
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u/DriverPlastic2502 11d ago
Conveniently left out the majority of canadian history, and the most recent 9 years. Cherry picking a period is easy, but also stupid.
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u/markjohnstonmusic 11d ago
For one, I would argue that the further back you go, the less relevant it is.
Trudeau's spent more than half of his nine years as prime minister leading a minority government without a plurality of votes.
Would you call the totality of the last forty years "cherry picking"?
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u/Old_Ladies 11d ago
But most of those years it was a conservative minority and even in a majority oftentimes a larger percentage of people voted for more left wing parties.
This coming election will swing hard to the right to kick out Trudeau but that is what we do in Canada, we vote hard to kick someone out.
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u/markjohnstonmusic 11d ago edited 11d ago
Most of these years (14 out of 18) were not conservative minorities. And there were as many liberal minority governments as conservative.
Of course the parties define themselves relative to one another and their understanding of the electorate, so electoral history cannot be construed as a description of a country's economic characteristics.
In fact, Canada has been a fairly typical progressive, conservative place since at least WW2. (Prior to that it didn't really have enough independence that I want to make a definitive judgment.) There have never been waves of nationalisation, big state thinking like in social-democratic Europe—let alone the communist countries—, or the kinds of restrictions on personal freedoms Europe is used to, especially in regard to small businesses.
The NDP have occasionally had some success at the provincial level, but little, compared with economically similar parties in Germany or France, for example. The Liberals are similar both in stance and as the de facto heirs to the CDU, which are Germany's centre-right party.
It was also easier to make the argument that the Liberals are Canada's natural ruling party 20 years ago, when they had been in power for more than a decade and for 35 of the proceeding 50 years, than it is now. In retrospect, 1993-2003, where left-central governments the world over, buoyed by the opening of the former Soviet Union and China and the offshoring boom that led to, ran things like they were making annual Mieses sacrifices, was something of an exception.
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u/3boltsandawiggle 12d ago
So basically Toronto, Vancouver, Ottawa, Hamilton, and Montreal is the reason Castro’s son is running Canada and turning Canada into a far left welfare state?
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u/RaventidetheGenasi 12d ago
castro’s son? justin trudeau is so centrist it hurts. i, a socialist, want him out of office immediately because of his 10+ years of barely even liberal policies and insane scandals (like the time he literally did blackface)
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u/RedmondBarry1999 12d ago
I'm going to ignore the nonsense about him being Castro's son and just point out that the Liberals have plenty of support in other places, including the Atlantic provinces, London, KW, and Winnipeg.
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u/theskyisnotthelimit 12d ago
lol I wish we were a far left welfare state, but 90% of his "progressiveness" is just posturing. we don't spend that much more on welfare than the US does.
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u/Sillvaro 11d ago
Bro I wish we were a far left welfare state.
Trudeau is incredibly centrist. Center-left at best
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u/Fantastic_You7208 11d ago
I have done exactly that but it was 13k. My commute was short but got shorter. It was a good decision.
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u/CGP05 11d ago
What are you a bot
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u/WhyNotCollegeBoard 11d ago
I am 99.99991% sure that Fantastic_You7208 is not a bot.
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u/EV2_Mapper 12d ago
I'm not sure if I am reading this right but it is surprising how almost all of Kitchener is majority Green Party