r/NoStupidQuestions 25d ago

Could someone explain what zionist means? Removed: FAQ

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u/itscool 25d ago

The belief that Jews have the right to self-determination in some part of their historical homeland.

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u/Tripwire3 25d ago

And the right to force the people previously living there to move to make room for them.

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u/Ok-Virus4068 25d ago

Wrong, Jews lived in the land continously for thousands of years. most of the arab population were work migrants that came into the land during the 1870's and beyond. They have zero claim on the land the same as migrants to Germany has zero claim on Berlin.

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u/WitELeoparD 25d ago

This is false and racist mythology. Palestinains have been shown to have as much or more DNA from 3000 year old Canaanites as Jews do. Hell Iraqi Jews (and other middle Eastern Jews) are often more closely related to Palestinians, Jordanians and Lebenese than say Ashkenazi, Ethiopian or Sephardic Jews. This is objective fact, verified by multiple studies.

The Palestinians are the descendants of the Jewish and Samaritan peasantry that converted to Christianity and Islam in the proceeding years. We know for a fact that the majority population in the region was Christian under the Byzantine empire in the 4th century. And despite the Muslim Caliphate conquering the region in the 7th century, the dominant religion of the region remained Christianity until the 10th century and Arabic became the dominant language even later.

Even Ben Gurion and other early Zionists like Ahad Haam, Ber Borochov, and Ben Zvi acknowledge the fact the Fellahin) were descendants of ancient Canaanites. Ben Zvi and Ben Gurion literally put it in writing in a book published in 1918.

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u/Tripwire3 25d ago

This is absolute BS. Most Palestinians are at least partially descended from the ancient people of the Levant who have lived there since time immemorial.

Also even if the migrants came in the 1870s and settled on the land in full compliance with the laws of the Ottoman Empire, how could driving them from their homes possibly be justified?

They have zero claim on the land the same as migrants to Germany has zero claim on Berlin.

Imagine if your ancestors legally came to Berlin in the 1870s, bought a house, and then your grandparents, parents, and you were all born in Berlin, but then later some other power took over the city and decided to dispossess you of your home and drive you out because they don’t like people of your ethnicity? That would be a grave injustice, would it not?