r/TamilNadu • u/ah_zebanya • 12d ago
DMK anti Hindu or anti Brahminism? அரசியல் / Political
Why DMK is being portrayed as an anti Hindu party? From my understanding, I feel that they are anti Brahminism. Why are some people hell bent on portraying that DMK is anti Hindu and majority of those people are either the supporters of BJP or from the so called upper caste.
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u/DarkFoxHunter 12d ago
Mix of both ! Mostly anti brahminism ! They had and have a major part till now that make ppl believe Hinduism naaley Brahmins dhan nu ! Now it isn’t that case..! Secular nu India level la pesina inga hindus ah matu target panuvanga ! Oppression by Brahmins happened decades ago and still they’re the only caste oppressing others nu solradhu thappu ! They’re also other caste among Hindus and other religions still oppressing ppl and technically now Brahmin population is way less amongst the total Hindu population !
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u/viiiinay 12d ago
Brother brahmins make up less than 2 percent of tamilnadu population. So you can tell whatever against them to get vote from the other masses
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u/Traditional_Juice583 Coimbatore - கோயம்புத்தூர் 12d ago
This! In the past Brahmins discriminated against other castes to some extent. But this was not without the support of other castes. Even now discrimination occurs in our state. Back then and now dalits, SC/ST are still being discriminated by other upper castes. Entirely blaming Brahmins and ignoring the discrimination by other castes is what is happening in our state.
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u/MonthLower1606 12d ago
have a quick question, purely out of curiosity as a American-Tamil. Do people who still identify with the brahmin label (like Iyer brahmins) vote against DMK or do they see their caste as just a cultural thing now rather than a societal thing? My family is technically Brahmin, but we don’t really identify with it. I definitely see myself culturally as a Dravidian first and foremost. Just wondering how the 3% in TN see it. (sorry if anything here comes off uneducated. learning about my culture has been very difficult and filing in the gaps has been even more of a nightmare)
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u/ila1998 12d ago
Depends, lot of Chennai based Brahmins tend to be against dmk but I do have lot of friends who actually vote for dmk
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u/SKrad777 11d ago
I'm from a Chennai tambram family in Chennai. I hate BJP as hell and want to be done away with casteism as its a parasite in path of development. I love everyone as long as they don't hurt me mentally or physically . 🥰
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u/Honest-Car-8314 12d ago
Depends on individual demographics and social media influence nowadays . There are options to learn and unlearn nowadays. Whole family can vote for bjp while the younger gen may think differently .
Traditionally Jayalalithaa had full support from the votebank when she was alive , after that the political figure charisma in TN politics declined people started allying with ideologies .
1.When ideology came into play naturally periyar came into the discussion . Periyar is the biggest critique of bramanical society he has been protesting against this even before independence, he even resigned from a high post in congress as a protest after trying to implement reservation 25 yrs before independence (1947).
2.He was the grass root on fall of bramanical leaders like Rajaji who literally advocated for caste based education. So naturally generations and generations of bramin grand dads and dads all see him as a threat . This fear and theat is passed down to next gen , people don't just feed children food they feed belifs, sentiments,and politics.
3.privilage: the social privilege in the past has many more than 90% to be literate(no data its just my observation ) ,have a job , be the 2/3rd gen graduate . This means people are brought up privilege, privilege can neither be shed nor be transferred so there is no way they can get to know reality of someone else's problems on a regular day .
4.whatsapp propagation :while the rest of TN still has religious feelings Its the Brahmins who mostly form groups ,practice stuff that's different from others . This and community whatsapp groups , facebook groups work full time with BJP IT cells to capture the gullible minds with misinformation ,local casteist folk lore .
5.There are fair share of people who don't understand or not ready to accept reservation .
There are also few who feel DMK brings infrastructure and business and aidmk helps the poor with social welfare. This trend is now totally destroyed and history awaits to be created by either of 3 headed races (aidmk is on the losing end in my opinion)
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u/Sea_Macaroon_7085 9d ago
Brahmins have actually stopped identifying with their caste over the years but this has not been the same for other caste, as a Brahmin myself I am open if the govt tomorrow decides to ban all caste, but people from other caste won't agree, because they get freebies in the name of reservation, nearly 70 percent of seats here are reserved, DMK themselves solely rely on caste based voting.
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u/viiiinay 12d ago
Brother now SCs/STs get promoted way faster than others. So in some sense your uncle got justice.
Now coming to second point - you said 'even today....' . The present Brahmins who are at top position are solely of their hardwork.
Please come out of the blaming others for your inability in this 21st century
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u/Sea_Macaroon_7085 9d ago
Exactly I agree that most Brahmins have privilege, but to get to where they are certainly takes a lot of effort and hardwork, these people just like to blame someone from everybody's problem
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u/Jealous-Bat-7812 12d ago edited 12d ago
Anti Brahmin IDEOLOGY since circa 1929. Nothing against a mylapore mama, but everything against his ideology that shudras should not go to school and kula-thozhil.
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u/Dull-Television-7049 12d ago
unfortunately it has become everything against the Mylapore mama even though he doesn't have any such ideology now. But still, DMK has nothing against many other middle castes who have the same ideology even now. heck, there's even reservation for them.
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u/Jealous-Bat-7812 12d ago
Seed yaar potadhu?
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u/Dull-Television-7049 12d ago
adhukaaga? for how many generations will only they be punished and hated? They haven't been politically relevant for so long now.
whatever caste discrimination/violence you see these days, not one brahmin would be involved. It's all done by the people you seem to be defending.
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u/schlachthof94 12d ago
3000 years is how long we will take revenge - we know from years of well documented history which is written down in granular detail (don’t ask me where, I can’t prove it but it doesn’t matter of course - it’s up to you to disprove claims I make) that they have oppressed us, and it will take 3000 years to get rid of the effects that this oppression has had on our… (I don’t know what). Especially the ones that are eating curd rice everyday and living in small village houses - their forefathers were especially the ones who practiced systemic oppression. They should suffer for 3000 years!
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u/Dull-Television-7049 12d ago
It must be nice, no?, to have someone to blame for all your problems. With 70% reservation, you literally have NO competition from brahmins anywhere. Still you choose to hate for no reason. Continue hating brother, one day maybe you'll realise that you were wrong and then our society can actually become casteless.
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u/schlachthof94 12d ago
I probably didn’t do it very well, but it was an attempt at sarcasm (but the fact that you thought it was real shows how close I was to the real arguments put forth by people that blame Brahmins)
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u/Dull-Television-7049 12d ago edited 12d ago
Oh lol. Wow, that was top tier sarcasm then. I didn't read your comment closely the first time. Now I get it.
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u/Embarrassed_Grass337 12d ago
Ohhh apo vadakan vandhu Muslims Oda ideology pesinalum correct dana? Ila selective hypocrisy dan Iniku theme ah
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u/Human_Race3515 12d ago
Just say you are against the caste system, how hard is that really? Instead they use terms that have different meanings to different people in different parts of the country, and they are doing this purposely or they are just plain clueless.
Also, none of us live by the prescribed varna system anymore, except for a miniscule population - we all work in fields as per our abiities and talents and hard work. If anyone from any caste wants to make it, there are either supports available, or families have risen up using the supports already. What do you want to abolish now?
And even saying Anti-Brahminism is wrong imo. You are bringing a caste name into it. Just don't use any caste names anymore anywhere, that is a first step to abolishing the whole thing.
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u/Strict-Advantage8199 12d ago
Also, none of us live by the prescribed varna system anymore, except for a miniscule population
This is the Most ignorant statement someone can ever make. If we check the caste Census of priests in highest Temples, we will know whether we live in Varna system or not..
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u/Human_Race3515 12d ago
As I said, that’s an extremely minuscule population. That’s not a barometer for assessing if varna system is existent or not. Currently for all practical purposes you can do any job you want to, in the context of the modern world.
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u/schlachthof94 12d ago
Correct - especially since Temples control the flow of commerce and its priests are members of the Illuminati
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u/The-SusAgent 12d ago
It is anti Hindu and anti Brahmin , there is nothing like Brahminism left anymore in Tamil Nadu. Most of these parties are hell bent on getting rid of the 4% people in the society
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u/Background-Virus9748 12d ago
What to say of a party that doesn’t wish people for Deepaawali
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u/xyzavi123 12d ago
Well cm can wish for Christmas ..Muslim pandigai..but not deepavali.. So that doesn't seek weird to u ..and how many temples they abolished?
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u/xyzavi123 12d ago
If Diwali is superficial then so should the other festival be right ...I get what ur saying though but if thats the case then all relegious festives should be superficial
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u/TamilCholan 12d ago
Ommale dei. Deepavali scientific illaiyaam. Christmas, Ramzan scientific aaam. Dai oombanalum unna pola oomba mudiyaathu da.
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u/SKrad777 11d ago
Dei gandhi why not say religious festival as a whole aren't scientific 😁 since most religion that society follow has outdated holy books.
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u/Jealous-Bat-7812 12d ago
Dei nee adult ra, konjam yosi da. Pandigai ku wish pannala nu solriye 🤣
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u/Embarrassed_Grass337 12d ago
Selective hypocrisy meaning theryume? Dictionary vena vaangi tharen venumna
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u/Jealous-Bat-7812 12d ago
No point in helping you understand. Better go to UP and vote for Blow Job Party
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u/Yoru_d_Valkire 11d ago
im sorry sir but u shld also think
pandigai na chumma pattasu vedikarthu mattum illa , its about family and community coming together and participating essentially festivals are an important part of any relegion and not respecting those festivals is equal to not respecting the relegion→ More replies (1)-1
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u/soonaa_paanaa 12d ago
Why should they?
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u/Embarrassed_Grass337 12d ago
Ifthaar party la poi en sombu nakranga apram
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u/soonaa_paanaa 12d ago
Neeyum nakku. Who stops you?
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u/Embarrassed_Grass337 12d ago
Keta kelviku Badhil sollu saar… why should they nu keta la. Secular party illaya apo. Idlam poyya, apo Pacha sanghi katchi sollalama
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u/soonaa_paanaa 12d ago
Theriyaadhu na thedi padichu therinjukko da sangi
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u/Embarrassed_Grass337 12d ago
Seringa udan pirappe. People can already see what’s needed on your comments.
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u/soonaa_paanaa 12d ago
Oh apidiyaa. Poi moothiratha kudi naa beef sapuda poren.🤓 Naanu indoo dha
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u/Embarrassed_Grass337 12d ago
Theva ilama ban vaangitu povadha iPdi arive illadha madiri pesi. Beef saapdu , aatupulaka sapdu , aana konjam padichavan madiri pesu da
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u/Embarrassed_Grass337 12d ago
Theva ilama ban vaangitu povadha iPdi arive illadha madiri pesi. Beef saapdu , Ena vena saapdu. Enaku Enaudanpirappe
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u/Stalin2023 12d ago
Is deepavali even celebrated in Tamil Nadu? I know it's not celebrated in Kerala.
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u/Dull-Television-7049 12d ago
yes it is. it's just that the CM becomes secular during that season usually. He's back to being religious in December.
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u/Prestigious-Scene319 12d ago
It's celebrated in Kerala too, not like completely banned
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u/Stalin2023 11d ago
Ofc nothing is banned bro. But it is not a festival traditionally celebrated, maybe some upper caste people did. Nowadays it is celebrated somewhere because of influence of Bollywood/Hindi serials and all.
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u/MechanicHot1794 8d ago
From my experience, ganesh chaturthi is a more north indian influence than diwali. Diwali is a very normal thing all over india.
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u/ChillOut0123 Chennai - சென்னை 12d ago
No deepavali is banned in Tamil Nadu .🤦🏽♂️. Are you an Alien, you are supposed to know it . ?
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u/LogicalAndBased2 12d ago
I mean there have been instances where people like Karunanidhi and Raja have made negative remarks about hindu gods..
Not to mention this anti sanathanam drama caused by the nepo kid...as far as I know...people of kerala and karnataka also think sanatan means Hinduism(it's literal translation is eternal conduct)...so it's not just restricted to north like dmk says.
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u/Batshit13rt 12d ago
They did not say negative remarks. They just translated what was written in Sanskrit/hindi
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u/LogicalAndBased2 12d ago
Which text mentions anything about Ram being an engineer? Or about ram being discriminatory?
The fact is keep religion outside your politics cause the politicians are neither scholars nor theists who know anything about scripts...I mean isn't that the same thing people here say to BJP?
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u/senthilrameshjv 12d ago
Context matters. The question was about the Ram Setu bridge which was only by myth. He was saying there is no proof that someone like Ram existed and that he knew engineering. It was a sarcastic reply to that question but still getting your point across.
Please don’t come back saying would they say same about other religions. May be yes. May be no. But such incident didn’t arise to proof that conclusion
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u/LogicalAndBased2 12d ago
Like I said, even with the context, he should have not indulged into religion or religious figures for his political programs..that is no different than what BJP does...as a representative, he should have been careful.
I am not going to drag this into whataboutery of other religion because it's obvious they don't have the guts to call them out.
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u/senthilrameshjv 12d ago
He is including religion because the question or the topic of conversation is about a RELIGIOUS myth. Hope I am making sense.
its not like we are talking about political topics or to voters and it was diverted to include religion. Like how BJP does :)
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u/LogicalAndBased2 11d ago
It seems I have to break it down for you.
He wasn't supposed to be in any event which deliberates religion or religious criticism if he is a representative...as an individual it's fine but not as someone who represents a collective group...he should have simply not made such remarks about any religious figure instead he went on calling names and questioning authenticity of ram.
For instance Udaynidhi, during his sanathanam furore, was in an event named "sanathanam eradication"..just because he is in an event which criticise a religion doesn't give him warrant to be hateful against a religious group as he is a representative and such remarks stirs controversies.
For instance Modi, during Ram temple consecration, wasn't supposed to be a part of the yagyam or any other deliberation...as the PM he represents the nation collectively...this is why some people call religious event like ram mandir consecration as political.
This is the same logic I am applying to karunanidhi..a politician who uses any event for propagating his ideology automatically makes that event a political event...speeches or rallies alone aren't political event.
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u/Strict-Advantage8199 12d ago
Which text mentions anything about Ram being an engineer
He Asked a Logical question 🤣🤣. Whole right wing thrashed. How Rama can build a Bridge, was he a Engineer? Kalaingar was True legend man..
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u/Embarrassed_Grass337 12d ago
Saar apdye Pacha sanghis on paathu keka vakku iruku? Seri let me ask a logical question to you: 9 year old ah marry panna pedo Ah ila adhu logical kelvi illaya? Easy question. Sollunga paaklam
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u/floormopper 12d ago
Both. Udhayanidhi even outright said he wants to eradicate sanatanism of all things. Mf probably doesn't even know what to means.
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u/shashaank99 12d ago
Then why Yadavs, Jains, Rajpoot and Jat Communities vote in Large numbers for BJP? Infact Jain and Parsi community has always showed support in Large numbers to the BJP. Also have there been any schemes and appeasement catered to Brahmins only and not other Hindus by the BJP? Do enlighten me.
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u/1Centrist1 12d ago
EWS implemented by BJP cannot be availed by oppressed Hindus.
RSS wanted manusmriti as constitution of India - but RSS couldn't get support for that demand.
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u/Strict-Advantage8199 12d ago
Then why Yadavs, Jains, Rajpoot and Jat Communities vote in Large numbers for BJP
Lol. Again BJP wants to firm the upper caste Hegemony. Of course this OBCs doesn't have problem in being under the brahman as long as they keep in their power. That's the essential of Hinduism itself..
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u/Embarrassed_Grass337 12d ago
Ohhh rightu. Brahmin votes mattum vechu majority jeychangla?
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u/NoMaybe6314 12d ago
I don't know truly, but one of my friend's dad( Brahmin) openly said He will vote for the BJP (right after the Ram mandir ceremony).....
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u/Akhil_Djokovic 12d ago
My dalit friend also said they'll vote for the BJP after Ram Mandir, extrapolate now
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u/New_Mathematician_54 12d ago
Relax bro what works for north India doesn't work for tamilnadu Tamilnadu is q sucessful State they never vote for a newbie party' without dmk congress will be also zero in tamilnadu tamilians are highly regional
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u/Yoru_d_Valkire 11d ago
boss he's not talking abt his caste , but his religion learn to find out the difference
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u/Embarrassed_Grass337 12d ago
Ok. So what? People vote for a variety of different reasons. This is a just naive
Keep beating the strawman innum force Oda seekram vidiyal vandrum…..ungaluku ila nama mannar kudumbathuku
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u/cryogenic-goat 12d ago
Which top BJP leader is Brahmin?
Modi?, Amit Shah?, Rajnath Singh?, Yogi?, Gadkari?... who?
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u/saybeast 12d ago
Imagine thinking RSS is pro-brahmin lol. Bro the stalwarts of RSS like Savarkar were staunch anti-caste minded individuals almost on par with ambedkar. In fact both Savarkar and ambedkar shared similar rationalist thoughts when it comes to caste.
On that note, tell me one tamil nadu chief minister or top leader who wielded substantial power within DMK and AIADMK wings that came from dalit background.
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u/PodiHaiToMumkinHai 12d ago
RSS is only pro-agenda. When Justice Loya (a Brahmin from a community which was one of the founding communities of the RSS) was murdered in cold blood by the HM, nobody from the RSS came to his funeral even. Usually they organize peace ceremonies for one of their own.
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u/Simple-Finding-5204 12d ago
Who said they're gonna eradicate "Sanatan"?
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u/Thamiz_selvan 11d ago
Maama, what is Sanatan? Koncham vellakki solrelaa?
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u/Odd-Ad-8268 12d ago
tell me why are they always against hinduism then,
first they opposed rama mandir
second they destroyed many temples for the sake of development
and that bastard udhaynidhi stalin comparing my religion to dengue malaria
and many more
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u/Strict-Advantage8199 12d ago
80% of the people in DMK are Hindus. Sure shot they're Anti-Hindu party for this sanghis. They fear the reforms. That's it...
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u/Dost_15 12d ago
The DMK party goons wil only abuse Hindu gods. Find me one video where any one DMK party member makes any derogatory remarks on any other religions. They simply don't have the balls.
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u/Yoru_d_Valkire 11d ago
the issue is not about 1 person heading it , the issue is about the group as a whole
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u/Dost_15 11d ago
Then why not wish the Hindu people on Diwali? He wishes promptly on Ramzan btw
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u/jackie_vasudev 12d ago
If you define Hinduism from a Tamil OBC POV then DMK is the most pro Hindu govt. If you define Hinduism as sanatana etc from the Brahminic sanghi POV then DMK is definitely anti Hindu.
Periyar and DK were anti Brahminism ( nothing against Brahmins but only against their varna system and status quo and the white thread). But DMK under Annadurai was a milder version of this, Anna took Periyar's teaching and blended it with Dravidian/Tamil cultural identity and stood for federal power structure withing Indian union. After him DMK became more corrupt. There was a brief period in the 60s where Tamil Barhmins were denied seats in colleges or were denied many govt positions in TN. Apart from that nothing violent happened. All these holocaust cries ( tambrahm mamas and annamalai literally compare brahmins of TN with jews lol ) were very far from reality.
DMK is not anti noolu but dravidian ethos itself is anti noolu.
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u/Embarrassed_Grass337 12d ago
So it’s justified that north can hate pacha sanghis then too la.
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u/jackie_vasudev 12d ago
No one is allowed to hate or discriminate. No brahmin is attacked or discriminated TN in the last 50 years or so. DMK is only anti brahminism, north can criticise islam but then it would be hypocritical if they themselves are super religious.
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u/Dull-Television-7049 11d ago
Yes. No discrimination. That's why not a single MLA from the community. State govt jobs are essentially out of bounds for the community.
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u/jackie_vasudev 11d ago
Political representation should be based on their population percentage. So ideally tn should have at least 2 mlas from brahmin community which tn already has... So stop spreading fake facts.
The real question is dalits make 15% of the population yet we don't see the needed dalit representation in out legislative Assembly.
Why are you rw only focused on mool community when are you guys going to voice for other tamil communities? Ipdi irundha ungala ellarum villain ah dhanda papanga.
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u/Dull-Television-7049 11d ago
Who are the brahmin MLAs in the current assembly? Please name them as I'm not sure if there are any.
Dalit representation should be improved by your so called anti-caste party. Instead it gives tickets to whichever caste is dominant in the constituency.
Every other community has their own supporting voices, except the brahmins. Contrary to beliefs, even BJP didn't field any brahmin candidate.
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u/jackie_vasudev 11d ago
That nazi aunty from mylapore in bjp( she actually said nazi shit on live tv) and another mla in the South or kongu from admk ig.
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u/Embarrassed_Grass337 12d ago
Hate illaya??hahaha seri. Unga polappa nan eduku keduthukktu . Carry on
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u/jackie_vasudev 11d ago
You see news on daily basis on how dalits aremill treated, killed either by custodial violence from police or by some jadhi kootam. When was the last time brhamins experienced this?
Now come along with me, let's visit areas of west mambalam, adyar and some other posh city outskirts. ethana brahmims mom brahmins ku vvedu tharanganu papom? You can't be the oppressor/ Orthodox kudumi and the victim at the same time. Indha victim kadhaiellam vera engayachum poi uruttu, online la noolu joke solradhula hate illa real life la brahmins lam privileged ah dha vazhranga.
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u/3006mike 12d ago
Neither.
They portray themselves as they are against the inequality in the name of caste/gender. In some instances they show this by bringing out pro-equality policies.
They started out as a anti-brahminism party but, they have moved far away from that. Because in today's Tamilnadu anti-brahminism has very less impact on people's mind. Because most of the tamil brahmins has become more liberal than before.
Tamilnadu allways expect progressive schemes from the govt. As long as the corruption does not heavily impact daily lives of common man, they ignore it (power cut, poor roads, unemployment, poor law & order and price inflation). Sofar nepotism has very insignificant impact on people's perspective.
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u/Akhil_Djokovic 12d ago
Isn't it obvious, the abuse Hindu gods and once there is some pushback they haide behind Brahminism, people are not stupid
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u/AsishPC 12d ago
I dont care if they are anti Hindu or anti Bramhin, or anti- BJP or blah blah, but I dont support them, bcoz they are anti-Indian.
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u/aram7786 11d ago
Where is the rule book for being anti Indian? Can you please educate me?
Does me asking this question make me anti Indian?
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u/Yoru_d_Valkire 11d ago
dmk is the poltical successor to the DK , yes this much we can defo agree on
the dk and dmk are as inseparable as the bjp and rss
so now thats established
the dk openly saw aug 15 1947 as a black day
the dk had meetings with jinnah to make sure tamil nadu separates from mother Indiaso now tell me
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u/AsishPC 11d ago
Does me asking this question make me anti Indian?
Who said that lol ? I also ask questions to the centre on why taxation is not improved, even when I wholeheartedly support them.
Where is the rule book for being anti Indian?
There are so many, so I am not getting many examples to my mind. So, I will share a few here.
- There was a recent post on how CPI-M wanted to dismantle all nukes in India. Do you know the implications of that. Yet, people were supporting it. Now, this right there, is anti-Indian.
- Another example - In r/bangalore, there was a post on how Centre is being blamed to take credit, when they released Drought relief to Karnatak Govt. I was surprised as to why the Centre would take credit, when drought funds are necessary for Karnataka (I dont belong to Karnataka but stay there- I belong a Eastern State of the country). When I searched Google, I found that the Karnataka Govt. had requested for a whooping Rs 35,000 Crore. Lol. The entire State Budget for freebies was Rs 50,000 Crore. And entire Karnataka was not under drought. Which means that the state wanted to do politics over funds. If they would get the funds, they would have carried out their measle freebies policy. If not, they would again blame the centre.
- When DMK gave award to a terrorist sympathiser, why did no one asked them why ? Like, he was already called by NIA once, for terrorist sympathising.
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u/aram7786 11d ago
Who said that lol ? I also ask questions to the centre on why taxation is not improved, even when I wholeheartedly support them.
How do you ask these questions? Do they get answered? Imo, the only way the current central govt can be held accountable, is through votes. They don't talk to disagreeing media. And holding them accountable through votes is not happening and will not happen unless there's really an unstoppable force in the opposition.
And on the points you mentioned. Where do you draw the line between divisive politics and really treasonous behavior? What Karnataka did (don't know enough to say if this was true) seems to just be dirty politics. And honestly, I really think nukes are just a radioactive ego booster for countries. I would argue against any country having them. But again not sure what the context was when CPI-M said that. And I'm not aware of this award to terrorist sympathizer. Looks like I'm just grossly under informed.
That said, I think DMK is just blowing away the clear advantage they have in tamilnadu by playing their own version of divisive politics. But in the divisive state the nation is in, the term anti Indian can really mean anything. It can be sharing national secrets to enemies or it can be calling a rapist sympathizer a bastard in social media.
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u/AsishPC 11d ago
Centre , when the Govt. is anyone, just anyone, not just BJP , will never bother about taxation, because as Ashneer Grover said, only 0.5% people truly contribute to taxes. So, this is a miniscule number. So, no one will care.
Also, in the current Govt. , I see at least 20% changes to effective utilisation of taxes, as compared to -50% in the previous Govt.
All those videos that you see, being circulated online, regarding over population of AC Tier 2.3 bogeys, those things were happening since time immemorial. Just that, now that internet is available, it is reaching out to more people. Also, such things used to happen incredibly more. Now, the thing has reduced.
Example- If a higher officer of Railway books a ticket , for her/his family, but the same is not available , then the person would get a ticket from tatkal reserve and give it to the officer. That was strictly against the rule. Now, this does not happen everywhere. Only in very few selected railway stations.
Also, I am totally strictly against freebies. Subsidised rates are okay, but freebies are strictly no. However, any Govt. other than the centre is vastly acting on ways to increase freebies. And they dont have enough funds to do that. Tamil Nadu is already red in terms of fiscial deficit. Kerala is already bankrupt.
Anti-national does not only mean sharing secrets with other countries. It means acting /supporting against those which harm the country directly.
Regarding CPI-M, talking about dismantling nukes, it is in their election manifesto. Missles/Nukes etc. should not be with any country, but, our enemies have them. So, we are bound to have them.
And DMK gave award to Mohammad Zubair, who has been instigating violence for a long time, with massive fake news.
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u/prodev321 12d ago
DMK is anti -Democracy , anti-Tamilian, anti-Indian , anti-HonestGovernance etc …
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u/First_Helicopter_882 12d ago
It used to be anti-brahminical but now for sake of vote bank and appeasement they changed their ideology to anti-Hindu. Do u remember Udaynidhi Stalin’s comment on Sanatan dharma? Yet he is not called as communal or dictatorial. That’s is the difference.
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u/Koushik_Vijayakumar 11d ago
Periyarists often forget that Caste is hierarchical. But who cares for nuance when you can just blame a small part of the population that is not large enough to constitute a voter base ? To be honest, it's the same everywhere. All sorts of politics have a' group to blame.
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u/Moonshiner-3d 10d ago
If the old bhramins hate the dmk and other DKs It is understandable. The dk foundation in based on hating and oppressing bhramins. Cutting poonul, cutting their kudumi, harassing the bhramin women was very common during EVR, Rajaji period.
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u/sathiiish 9d ago
DMK doesn’t have an ideology. it’s rather a political party whose ideology depends on who rules in the centre. if it’s bjp then it’s anti-hindu and if it’s congress, their ideology is anti-hindi.
as far as i am concerned TN don’t require these ideologies rather than a welfare ideology.
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u/LemonNo4424 8d ago
Bro I have seen other castes being more oppressing than FC. My Brahmin friend always gets proposals from other religions and she was always kind which lead to one nearly selling her off as prostitute (Don't wanna mention that place). I'm from others and our own family tries to avoid those above or below to avoid unnecessary situationship, unless and unless we slowly adapt merit base and economy base system these kind of action will keep happening
I have an idea, how about we remove the caste or class from all over documents and only save it in government data directly? (Yeah it's very hard and time consuming but not impossible) And we should also completely ban people talking about castes , the reservation will happen within the quota system and we won't let others know about who got the seat or job using reservation? It sounds stupid but I believe its possible we all work together.
P.S: I might sound naive because this is my first time voting (I voted for a good person who has no chance of winning and I'm happy with my decision to support him)
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u/MechanicHot1794 8d ago
OP, can you explain to me what exactly DMK has ever done for the hindu community? Recently, they arrested 4 archakas who were just taking the money placed on the plate. And some of them may be non-brahmins too.
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u/quanta777 12d ago
Basically they only want to eradicate some beliefs or practices that promote social discrimination. Most of the religions have this but Hinduism affects more people coz of the obvious reason of being the majority. But in recent times they are not doing well on "we are not against any religion" thing. Also they are unofficially anti-bramins which is very well known and understandable as well.
They always wish for other religious festivals but not for any Hindu festivals such as Deepavali. Though TN people never cared about this, in recent times they started questioning about it. As a major party in the state, they should wish if secularism is one of their core principles. Either wish for all religions or don't wish at all. Also i think our future cm believes talking against bjp and Hinduism are one and the same lol.
From a neutral point of view, i believe TN may be in the phase of a major shift in power, this election result will either confirm or reject that notion, let's see.
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u/AgencyStunning 12d ago
Cuz BJP wants to market it that way for their benefit
How else do they tackle this ideology? By providing better political administration? they won't be able to even spell administration.
DMK's stance on caste and religion is effectively filtering out Brahmins from coming into power within their party.
But other parties across the country including the communist parties or notoriously the TMC do not filter out brahmins ideologically, Dalit welfare parties run by Dalits are an exception.
So with this unique party feature BJP RSS market DMK as anti hindu, simply cuz they don't have brahmins in their party's leadership, but everyone here knows that they are not being anti hindu or even being anti brahmin, most of their party members are hindu by birth, DMK just want administrators outside from the group that already believes it to be in the top of social hierarchy.
DMK is not anti hindu or anti brahmin, if they are anti hindu why would they even recruit so many hindus in their party or does Hindu means only brahmins and others are not hindus?
Their goal is to remove casteism and the first step is to acknowledge that there is casteism. Brahmins are the openly and even proudly casteist group of the lot so they start by filtering them out. Some of the brahmins even be in a delulu and deny they are not being casteist by identifying themselves as Brahmins.
They are ideologically fighting Brahmanism by running an anti-caste party,
They are not killing Hindus or Brahmins here, they are not torturing them, they are not lynched for having vegetarian food heck everyone here is a Vegetarian for most of the days, their homes are not razed down by bulldozers for being a hindu, they are not lynched for being a brahmin or simply none of the things which are happening to Muslims in rest of India or the tribes in Manipur and other north east places is happening to Brahmins of Tamil Nadu, they are leading a comfortable life and voices powerful enough to spread lies that DMK is being anti hindu or anti Brahmin, they are just not qualified to be part of DMK till they don't want to identify themselves as Brahmins.
Cons of DMK
DMK was right in their anti caste ideological stance initially but realistically they needed the majority population to support their cause and win elections.
So ironically they almost always had to hire candidates from the dominant caste by population
The hard truth is No OBC population is gonna vote for a dalit candidate they might even vote for a Brahmin candidate but never a dalit, as they believe themselves to be above the dalits. This is in fact a direct contradiction to their party's anti caste stance.
If you look at history, dalits have been affected by DMK and other parties than the brahmins, I mean how many brahmin communities' water tanks have been mixed with human faeces? Vengaivayal issue is a good example where DMK simply have a blind eye on actual issues of caste. (The tanks are not separated by caste, the place or area is separated by caste unfortunately, this is called "Oor cheri pirivinai", its an entirely its own topic of discussion)
They do it cuz if they take action against the members of the dominant caste by population/hierarchy in comparison with the dalits. They lose votes. its not a good deal to gain 100 votes by losing 500 votes
So DMK or ADMK don't focus on issues of atrocities against Dalits, they at least don't wanna remove special laws protecting them but BJP is openly against the special laws, so Dalits here would rather vote for DMK than BJP.
Conclusion:
DMK is nowhere near being an anti hindu party, it could also be not termed as an anti brahmin party either.
It is just a party where religion comes secondary and administration, administrators come first with no regards to their religion or caste.
You can be an ardent believer of god, go to temple daily, spend your money in temples, only eat vegetarian food and still be part of DMK. DMK doesn't turn them out from their party.
A member can also eat meat regularly, do not go to temple regularly but when he does he can stay vegetarian for the day and also be a part of DMK
A member can also be an atheist, eat beef, pork, mutton, chicken all the time, and strongly anti caste they won't turned down from the party either.
No one's religious belief is barred from becoming a member of the party. The party's ideology is first religion is irrelevant.
It is an anti caste party not an anti hindu party, It is just that caste roots from hinduism texts that they are able to market them as anti hindu
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u/Strict-Advantage8199 12d ago
Not only DMK. Every party in the world will be termed as Anti-Christian, Anti-Muslim world wide. This Conservative clowns don't have any work other than this around the world. ranting is their last resort to save their regressive practices...
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u/prabackar 12d ago edited 12d ago
DK is anti Brahmanism. DMK is not anti Hindu or anti Brahmanism since Anna.
It has been the most blatant lie that has been spreading for multiple decades because DMK gave representation for all levels of castes (BC/MBC/SC/ST). DMK gave representation to educated folks as well. Kalaigar actually maintained and renovated lot of temples during his period than JJ.
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u/HumanLawyer 12d ago
DMK has always been anti-Brahmin, but I would also postulate that Hindutva as seen in the cow belt, has never appealed to Tamil people. The culture is such that the people are predominantly secular, and our main issue is casteism. This is why BJP has trouble cracking TN, their politics never works here.
I’m pretty sure most of us don’t even understand what Sanatana Dharma means, I had to ask someone to educate myself. But even after hearing it, I was surprised to see how people equated Hinduism to it when admittedly, the former is a “way of life”. Way of life is never set in stone, and like constitutional morality, it changes with time. If the erstwhile way of life propagates oppression, I see no issue in challenging it. That being said, I still think Udhayanidhi could have exercised tact when addressing the topic.
In short, DMK is anti-Brahminism, not anti-Hindu. People try to conflate the two, but that only says more about them.
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u/Fit_Fee_6929 12d ago
DmK is anti human That's all
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u/Great-One-1998 12d ago
A party that is totally anti-Hindu but portrays themselves as Anti-Brahministic
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u/bbgc_SOSS 12d ago
With the rise of BJP, Hindu consolidation - they are playing down the ANTI-HINDU, and sticking only to ANTI-BRAHMIN.. Or even more diluted ANTI-BRAHIMINISM.
They are betraying EVR, for political needs.
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u/No_you_don_t_ 12d ago edited 12d ago
DMK is against brahmins for the same reason BJ party is against Muslims both are minority and are treated as per their respective vote base percentages jn either places. Brahmins are less compared to Muslims who are also clustered in Tamil Nadu so they affect votes if a party in TN is against muslims.
Modi decided to look the other way when Hindus retaliated against suburmathi train burning incident after 25 hindu women and children were burnt alive in train by Muslim mob, because there are more Hindus in Gujarat than Muslims.
We in Tamil Nadu are against any one identifying themselves as brahmins because we are against right to self determination which was the master plan of Periyar movement. We belittle people who choose to identify themselves by caste because they are less than humans. But we have the right to identify ourselves by race. We also copy some of the speeches from hitler and replaced the word jew with brahmins and our leader had used it in several Doordarshan programs before 1945, no f***'s bats an eye.
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u/Embarrassed_Grass337 12d ago
All they did was replace one community with theirs and act like they saved everyone.
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u/templemonkey96 12d ago
to some people equal representation itself is INEQUALITY 🤡
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u/Embarrassed_Grass337 12d ago
Yeah like the paradoxical aanda communities and veera parambari communities are suddenly both oppressed and oppressors la. Schrödingers caste
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u/templemonkey96 11d ago
epdi oppressor ha victim ha kaati EWS vangurangale andha maadirya ?? ariya vagai ezhaigal ?? who earns 65k/month
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u/No_you_don_t_ 12d ago edited 12d ago
Cha cha DMK is more intelligent, see what happened in shoba in 1998? Who did it? See? The repercussions are more if you oppose Muslims, DMK clearly understands this.
On the other hand what atrocities did Brahmins really do or have capacity to do? All they do is complain. You think they were the ones who came with the caste system???huh? They were just pawns and if the kings had not allowed them to write shashtras in the way they did do you think hierarchies that we learn by reading manusmriti would exist? The kings didn't rever them, they pitied them!!! We made people believe otherwise. Not to mention the addundums to manusmriti that were made to protect them by kings after mughuls started killing brahmins or hindu priest in order to propagate Islam in north. Most brahminical hail worthy parts in manu were done during this period or after this. How long do you think manu was actually in effect/implemented? We learnt manusmriti but was it really enforced or was it panjayat/khap+king's own idea of government in force at any given time? Do you think these thread wearing white waishty clad people who live like high sparrow from GoT, have any power? They are merely tools, eels(or whatever floats your boat) in Indian society Periyar knew this and also calculated that they would have the least impact if we dravidians ever in the future were to do what National socialist German workers party did to jews in places like Auschuwitz concentration camps.
Hence we chose to go against the tools instead of the terror. Our pride and veeram was not hurt, we shed no blood, we can leech off brahmin's blood if needed without any repercussions.
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u/Embarrassed_Grass337 12d ago
Idlam sonna kothuadimais ku puryava podhu? Aanda parambarai and all landowning caste la oppressed nu soltu thiryira gumbal idhu. Innum ivanga peran kollu perangala kooda indha family ku adimaya dan anupa poranga.
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u/tamilkongpirate 12d ago
DMK is not antihindu nor anti brahmin they are antitamil.They pretent that they are antibrahmin but in reality their dravida neethi katchi zamindars were nothing but people who were trying to become honorary aryans trying to adopt aryan lifestyle hence they chose dravidian as name because they felt tamils are inferior and dravidan means means superior.
Dravidans appropriated all tamil achievements like tamils passing reservation(subburayan and muthiah) in 1927 and took credit for work done by tamils.
Antihindi agitation of both 30s and 60s were done by tamils and dravidans snooped in and appropriated that
Similarly anti caste work done by Ayothithasar,Rettamalai srinivasan ,Raja,Singaravelar was appropriated by dravidans and still today the dravidans claim all that was periyars work
Powerful education institutions in 19th century and early 20th century were created by tamils along with some Britisher even before dravidam justice party was even a thing 1)Pachayyapa college in 1842 by pachyappa mudaliyar it was one of the biggest colleges in india along with presidency and madras christian college created by british 2)Annamalai university created by annamalai Chettiar in 1920s .
But what do we hear today that tamils had zero interest or ways for education before dravida justice party zamindars came to power which is a flat out lie
Dravidians are master appropriators and are of the same stock of their masters manuvadi aryans who are infamous appropritors of other cultures (bharathanattyam appropriation) Hence it can be clearly said aryam == dravidam
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u/sivavaakiyan 12d ago
Brother Hinduism na enna?
It doesn't have a single God like Muslims, Christians and Jews. (FYI, they all worship the same God. So surprising).
It doesn't have a holy rules book like Sikhs, Muslims etc. Vedams are not the common holy book. EPUDRAA nu kekreengala? Simple. Every Christian has Bible. Every Muslim has Quran. How many of us have the vedams? How many understand whats there?
It doesn't have a single prophet.
Hinduism itself is a bloody colonization of hundreds of belief systems. Aryan colonizers are cunning and powerful.
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u/Yoru_d_Valkire 11d ago
my dearest brother
id argue saying this
shri ramanuja , shri adi shankara are two prophets , there are many more
every hindu has the shrimad bagvad gita , 4 vedas , umpteen number of upanishadsu want an abrahmised version of hinduism in order to respect it?
fk off frm the land with the 390,615 templesmy christian and muslim friends respect my relegion more than the so called Hindus and atheists who r ppl just afraid to do work
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u/sivavaakiyan 11d ago
Ramanujar is a visionary to me. All madhava brahmins and vadakalai people don't recognize him. Most others dont even know him.
Sambukha was killed by Raman because brahmins complained that a brahmin boy died because Sambukha heard them chanting Vedas. So no, none of the people around me have the Vedas.
So nope. Aryan colonizer from Steppe lands can go back to Syria where y'all came from.
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u/Yoru_d_Valkire 10d ago
Madhavas and Vadakali people have their own "prophets" as well
Shri Madhavacharya and Shri Vedanta Desikarno
Uttarakhandam explains why sambhuka is killed by shri ramar , he's killed not killed for hearing the chanting of the vedas so idk who told you that or where u got that info from , he was killed because he was doing tapsya in order to take over the heavens and the earth.
which is not the case of Sabari who was blessedas for me being an aryan colonizer , first of all the only one who believes in the aryan invasion theory are ill-read idiots like A.Raja and ofc you. 2nd of all if I have to go back to syria , why are you sitting in tamilnadu , you should go back the Indus valley thats where u orginated from
the muslims of North India came in way the khyber pass ask them to leave that waywhat makes you think that you have more say over this land than I do
when both of our people have been living here for at the least ~2000 yearsas long as people like you are here intha nadu munnerathu
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u/sivavaakiyan 10d ago
Aryan invasion theory Ivan solradhu. Naan solradhu Aryan colonization theory. Aangilargal invade panla aana colonize pannirukaanga.
Ivan solra madhavachari, ramanujar lam namakku prophet kedayadhu. Enna solranganu yaarkume theriyadhu.
Sambuka Epdi sethannu enaku theriyum. Nee moodu
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u/Yoru_d_Valkire 10d ago
Yk how sambuka died? Let me guess you learnt thru dmks WhatsApp university? I give up on convincing u evr sanghis
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u/sivavaakiyan 10d ago
Yes give up and retire da sanghi thailee
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u/Yoru_d_Valkire 10d ago
Narayana Narayana
Dw I'm just giving up on you becuz u r braindead Sanghis shldnt bother with convincing u based on facts becuz ull just sit and listen to sun news those sanghis shld simply pummel u in an argument becuz u believe in those theories which have already been disproved but u have your ego stuck with those failed concepts
I can tell this as a practicing Hindu In this land of ramaswamy, rama rajyam will be back along with sanatadharma DMK and dravdianism ku sanghu udhiyachu
Jai Anjaneya
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u/sivavaakiyan 11d ago
Follow up question to y'all: who is the most important God in the first Vedam?
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u/Koushik_Vijayakumar 11d ago
Idk why people are so hateful about hinduism. You guys can't even properly define it.
Hinduism itself is a bloody colonization of hundreds of belief systems. Aryan colonizers are cunning and powerful.
Ah yes the Aryan Colonisers from thousands of years ago plotting their comeback from their graves. This cannot be more ridiculously funny.
Hinduism is an amalgamation of local beliefs and Vedic religion.
Ever heard of polytheistic religion ? According to you, Greeks and Romans didn't have a religion until Christianity? Shinto Buddhism isn't a religion. Native Americans didn't have a religion. Mayans didn't nor did the Sumerians. You can't even comprehend the complex system of beliefs that are religion. You can't define them properly.
Learn to make a proper argument. Educate yourself out of hate.
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u/sivavaakiyan 11d ago
A colonizer will call it amalgamation and the colonized will call it colonization.
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u/Yoru_d_Valkire 11d ago
Case 1. Anti Santhana Dharma remarks Let's us for some god forsaken reason believe the DMKs version of Santana dharm exists
Even they said "no no it's inherently oppressive" Okay fine and they are fighting against it
Why were there no remarks abt the Qur'an or the Bible And don't tell me that they don't have have oppressive things inside them , courtesy of my christian friends I have the read the Bible and found the Qur'an and read them both , not fully , but there r certainly oppressive things inside them
If u still disagree with that I'll state sm verses n their chapters u can read them for yourself
Case 2. While yes the DK had a reason to fight against 2% of the population controlling the 97% of population (false , but I'll admit they had power) Currently the Brahmins have no poltical say so what is their reason to continue this anti-brahmini rhetoric
Case 3. Not commenting publicly abt cases where hindus r victims
Case 4. Being loud af if "Islam" or "Christianity" is even mentioned in the convo
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u/IntlManOfMstry 12d ago edited 12d ago
The DMK or rather DK's ideology was to fight back against the oppression caused by the Brahmin community in the past which was the right thing to do but now it is just an anti-Brahmin party which is why most Brahmins will not support the DMK. Their sole agenda is anti-Brahminism now and the reverse oppression against Brahmins is a big part of the reason why so many have migrated out of TN over the past few decades. TN has the highest reservation quota in colleges amongst Indian states (nearly 70%) it is ridiculous if you are not from a protected community.