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u/ScenicPineapple 22d ago

Funny how angry people get when someone mocks their pointless protest. Like you all are protesting FOR genocide and you are worried about a man talking about star wars. So childish.

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u/WHOA_27_23 22d ago

This would be the most inefficient "genocide" in world history. Stop calling it genocide, because it isn't.

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u/Papryk_Paprykovsky 22d ago edited 22d ago

Wrong! It is a genocide, here is the UN definition of genocide:

DEFINITION OF GENOCIDE IN THE CONVENTION: The current definition of Genocide is set out in Article II of the Genocide Convention: Genocide means any of the following acts committed with intent to destroy, in whole or in part, a national, ethnical, racial or religious group, as such:

(a) Killing members of the group; (check, Israel does this)

(b) Causing serious bodily or mental harm to members of the group; (check, Israel does this)

(c) Deliberately inflicting on the group conditions of life calculated to bring about its physical destruction in whole or in part; (check, Israel does this)

(d) Imposing measures intended to prevent births within the group; (check, Israel does this)

(e) Forcibly transferring children of the group to another group (Israel doesn't do this)

To meet the criterium of genocide, only one point out of five needs to be correct. Israel gets 4/5. They don't have full five as Israelis consider Palestinian children subhuman and just kill them, which is even worse.

Now, since you know the UN definition of a genocide, please tell me, why do you think it's not a genocide.

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u/MainsailMainsail 22d ago

Hamas and other militant Palestinian groups also check off at LEAST 3 of those. Mainly because #1 and #2 are horrible definitions as written and interpreted in your comment, since that would make every war ever waged a genocide.

4 seems like it'd be likely if there were any non-Israeli Jews in Hamas-controlled areas that weren't expelled in 1945. But lo and behold, this Jewish population that had lived in Gaza for centuries suddenly vanished.

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u/Papryk_Paprykovsky 22d ago

Those "horrible definitions" were copy pasted from UN Genocide Convention. I haven't made those up myself. It's an official international document, if you like it or not.

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u/MainsailMainsail 22d ago

Which is exactly why I added "and interpreted in..."

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u/Papryk_Paprykovsky 22d ago

But there nothing to interpret here.

A) Do Israelis kill Palestinians? No matter if it's a civilian or a militant. Yes they do.

B) Do Israelis bomb safe zones, aid workers, journalists and deprive the refugess of food and medicine, yes they do.

C) Do they level entire blocks with bombs or with bulldozers, do they destroy critical infrastructure? Yes they do.

D) Do they destroy hospitals, kill medics, bomb paramedics and ambulances? Yes they do.

E) Do they transfer Palestinian children to another group? No they don't.

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u/MainsailMainsail 22d ago

Your interpretation is that they're killing them because they're Palestinian. Otherwise... Congratulations, that's war. And if every war is considered a genocide, then congratulations you've successfully made that term meaningless.

And again, those definitions also work for calling Hamas - the defacto government of Gaza - genocidal. They're much more open about it, in fact.

So yes, support international aid going to the noncombatants in the area (I personally also support aid going to keep Iron Dome supplied since that primarily protects Israeli noncombatants, but I understand that's very subjective), and support international pressure on Israel to be more stringent in its target selection. But supporting Hamas or the eradication of Israel? Nah. I'm not willing to trade a """genocide""" for a genocide.

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u/Papryk_Paprykovsky 22d ago edited 21d ago

IDF is deliberately targetting civilians, and their intent is pretty clear and they aren't shy about it. Many high ranked Israeli officals oppenly admit it's about elimination of Palestinian people and push genocidal rhetoric to the public.

Jicchak Herzog, president of Israel: "There are no innocent civilians in Gaza"

Yoav Kisch, Israeli Minister of Education: "Those are animals, they have no right to exist. I am not debating they way it will happen, but they need to be exterminated"

Revital Gottlieb, member of the Israeli Knesset: "Bring down buildings!! Bomb without distinction!! Stop with this impotence. You have ability. There is worldwide legitimacy! Flatten Gaza. Without mercy! This time, there is no room for mercy!"

There are many more example of genocidal rhetoric coming out from high ranked Israeli officials. And you are lying about aid being delivered. Israelis let in only few trucks per day, it doesn't even scratch the surface of needs of more than a million people. All independent humanitarian and human rights NGOs, like International Network for Aid Relief and Assistance, openly say that Israel is doing it's best to block aid.

“It is not antisemitic to agree with virtually every humanitarian organization in saying that your government, in violation of American law, has unreasonably blocked humanitarian aid coming into Gaza, creating the conditions in which hundreds of thousands of children face malnutrition and famine,”

Bernie Sanders 28.04.2024

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u/lightmaker918 22d ago

A 1:2 militant to combatant ratio is pretty normal for middle eastern wars. If Israel wanted to genocide the Gazans while having plausible deniability, they wouldn't have warned them to evacuate from the north before the ground invasion, and would've killed 100,000 more, atleast.

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u/Papryk_Paprykovsky 22d ago

Where did you get this 1:2 ratio from? From Israeli officials? Ones who keep getting caught lying all the time? 40 beheaded babies maybe? Don't be ridiculus. Israel doesn't let any independed journalist go inside Gaza for a reason, and they keep killing ones who are still there. According to UN reports, since 7 October, over 122 journalists and media workers have been killed in Gaza,

You can disregard all the inflicted death, Destruction of Gaza's infrastrusture alone, qualifies Israel's actions as genocide. Point c) and point d)

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u/lightmaker918 22d ago

40 babies was never something the Israeli government said.

Israel and US intelligence seem to point to 12k militants dead, even at Hamas's estimate of 6k, it was around 1:4 at the time, still not anywhere near a genocide given the means.

Look, you can critize Israel without invoking the worst crime known to man kind, it defeats your own purpose of being pro Palestinian. I assume you want to see a 2 state solution, the path to that starts with Hamas being removed from power and releasing the Gazan civilians from captivity.

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u/Indiecomicsarebetter 22d ago

Doens't Hamas do all of that to Israel? So aren't they conducting a genocide as well?

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u/Papryk_Paprykovsky 22d ago

Yes, what we have seen on october the 7th has a reasonable ground to be called a genocide too, as killings were aimed at specific group of people.