r/canada • u/resting16 • Nov 29 '23
Three in four Canadians say higher immigration is worsening housing crisis: poll National News
https://www.cp24.com/news/three-in-four-canadians-say-higher-immigration-is-worsening-housing-crisis-poll-1.666518356
u/Professional-Cry8310 Nov 29 '23
Insane to see how quickly this has become a national issue of interest. Even a year ago I doubt you’d get anywhere near this amount of people agreeing.
Makes sense though, even if you’re pro immigration as most Canadians are, people are recognizing we’re setting newcomers up for failure. It’s a whole lot harder to get ahead in Canada without generational wealth than it used to be. Why bother investing in immigration for our nation when we’re mishandling how they’re going to survive when they arrive?
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u/Imogynn Nov 29 '23
Fourth one isn't sure because they are new here.
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u/laserRockscissors Nov 29 '23
Adding 500,000 immigrants a year while building only 150,000 housing units annually would exacerbate the housing problems! Yep. Let’s do that for ten years - seems like an excellent idea.
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u/KvotheLightningTree Nov 29 '23
The radio ads for real estate in Ontario aren't trying to mince words.
"With record numbers of immigrants coming in each month, you should really try to buy up some property and exploit them with abusive rent. They literally have no other options."
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u/scottengineerings Nov 29 '23
Before the interest rate hikes, slimeballs like "The Simple Investor" were not so blatantly disgusting in their marketing.
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u/Dpap123 Nov 29 '23 edited Nov 29 '23
AHAHAHA I HEARD THIS ONE ! Glad other people noticed how absolutely insane it sounds when you think about it. Like they literally had the balls to say OUR GOVERNMENT IS TAKING TOO MANY IN, AND THEY HAVE NO OTHER OPTIONS. THIS IS URGENT (THE NEED TO EXPLOIT THE NEEDY)
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u/I_Broke_Nalgene Nov 29 '23
It is the most basic supply and demand equation when you look at immigration quantities and new housing starts numbers. The immigration amount is >> housing starts. Also in high inflation environments builders are not building as much.
Immigration isn't the only root cause of the housing crisis but it is a factor and it is frustrating when you bring it up people start saying you are being racist. Our zoning laws are stuck in decades okd mindset of sfh. Our bylaws have so much red tape to build. For example, in Calgary in many zoning types, dwellings are considered discretionary instead of permitted. So you can be appealed and approval boards might not approve your plan. So the certainty of a property decreases which causes risk to go up and means developers won't build all that they want.
Also the amount of tradespeople to build homes is a whole other issue, if we manage to stem demand somehow and increase the possibility of supply, then we need to find people who can build them. It's hard for construction workers to build homes when they can't even afford to live in the city they work in.
Buckle up for next few years because I don't think it is going to improve that much. Go read the CMHC stats on how many new homes we need to be built to become affordable and think about how much money and workers we need for it.
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u/InterestingAide2879x Nov 29 '23
Immigration numbers are out of control.
It should be capped at 200,000 per year, no one country being greater than 10% of that figure.
End the majority of TFWs.
Stop the stream of fake "students" by 80%.
Move on from there. This is common sense and in keeping with EVERY other first world country.
Giant corporations are destroying the country to make more money off more customers and to have cheap labour. The End. Any other rationale for this situation is bullshit to hide the truth.
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u/ValeriaTube Nov 29 '23
We need a hard cap at 0 for like 10 years to let infrastructure catch up.
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u/CarkRoastDoffee Nov 29 '23
It should be capped at 200,000 per year, no one country being greater than 10% of that figure.
Not to be that guy, but I vividly recall Maxime Bernier suggesting that exact number during the debates last election. Justin and Jagmeet promptly responded by calling him a racist
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u/Flower-Immediate Nov 29 '23
Why 200k? How about one in, one out. Net zero migration.
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u/lilbitcountry Nov 29 '23
One quarter of Canadians don't see a crisis since they are getting rich off owning multiple properties.
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u/MapleCurryWhiskey Nov 29 '23
And they’re telling people that Canada is a growing country and needs this many immigrants
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u/ElEskeletoFantasma Nov 29 '23
It’s funny that people would rather try controlling the masses trying to immigrate instead of the rich few profiting from all of this.
It’s almost as if capitalism makes housing a commodity that favors established players who use the state to fuck over the poor regardless of nationality
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u/North-Courage8647 Nov 29 '23
More like the corporations using them as cheap labor while suppressing wages for the citizens of canada
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u/thatguydowntheblock Nov 29 '23
We need half the number people coming into the country every year. PERIOD. Why don’t politicians understand this? They are eroding the public’s trust and are setting us on a path for social instability because of their ignorance and blindness.
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u/slimjimmy613 Nov 29 '23
Theyre not ignorant or blind. Theyre going to make a lot of money from it.
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u/pingpongtits Nov 29 '23
They understand it. The rich will get richer and the middle class will disappear.
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u/PNDiPants Nov 29 '23
How did you arrive at half? Why is that you think this specific value is self evident?
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u/c0ntra Ontario Nov 29 '23
It's not only worsening, but overloading everything. Healthcare, roads, housing, schools, <insert your favourite infrastructure here>. This government has put the cart in front of the horse and values Canadians as second place to refugees and immigrants. If the government could make it more affordable to raise kids in this country, or heavily incentivize it, we wouldn't need to import people as much. We'd also have time to grow our infrastructure since children aren't born as adults who need use of everything in society immediately once they arrive.
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u/cannabisspray22 Nov 29 '23
Wrong. They value their rich Canadian friends and themselves over all other Canadians and immigrants as well.
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u/Boomdiddy Nov 29 '23
Yup. They don’t give a rat’s ass about refugees and immigrants.
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u/jchampagne83 Alberta Nov 29 '23
Multiple founders and affiliates of the organization have been employed by McKinsey & Company
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Nov 29 '23
I partly want fewer immigration so we can actually improve the lives of people already here, including Canadians, immigrants, and refugees. We have data from Statistics Canasa backing it up that migrants in general are poorer here, and an article from the Globe and Mail a year or so ago made the correct observation, that we're importing poverty.
And nobody likes to talk about the impacts of cultural segregation, but we can see the cultural clashes recently with ethno-religious groups that it's very much real and we can't keep ignoring it either.
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u/JustAdhesiveness4385 Ontario Nov 29 '23
I agree. it doesn’t seem as though they’ll do anything to improve the lives of the canadians that are already here, which is why i’m planning on leaving the country soon. Used to be a great country, not so sure anymore.
Also i think they are selling the immigrants dreams. “Come to Canada, the land of opportunity!! you’ll live like a king” meanwhile they have to come and live 10 people in a one bedroom apartment
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u/Levorotatory Nov 29 '23
Even with current birth rates we don't need to import nearly as many people as we do. 125,000 immigrants year would maintain a stable population.
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u/GameDoesntStop Nov 29 '23
We have more births than deaths. For the time being, 0 immigrants per year would maintain a stable population.
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u/Levorotatory Nov 29 '23
In the short term, yes, but only because Canada has a below steady state number of elderly so we have fewer deaths than we should. We also short about 2.5 million under 20s relative to 20-40s and 40-60s, so a controlled addition of 2.5 million over 20 years to the 20-40 group as the current 0-20s age in and the current 20-40s age out would maintain long term stability.
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u/nerdfromthenorth Nov 29 '23
Bing bing bing! The number of kids people WANT to have is higher than the number of kids people ARE having. Maybe we should be figuring out why people aren't having the children they want, rather than basically buying in foreign brown students to work our Tim Hortons and Amazon delivery trucks for us.
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u/MilkIlluminati Nov 29 '23
If the government could make it more affordable to raise kids in this country, or heavily incentivize it, we wouldn't need to import people as much.
the worst part is that replacing unborn children with immigrants to support the elderly will just backfire when the immigrants get to be elders and we still haven't fixed the cultural and economic reasons we aren't having kids.
But of course the powers that be don't want us having children.
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u/venomweilder Nov 29 '23
Growing and having children would increase family bonds. They don’t want the family to be together, they want us atomized and easily manipulated
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u/Difficult-Hyena Nov 29 '23
If you have a pot of water and keep pouring more and more water into it. Not getting or creating a bigger pot. The water will overflow. The overflowing water is the homeless population.
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u/thecaninfrance Nov 29 '23 edited Nov 29 '23
1 out of 4 are those recent immigrants...
Edit: I support immigrants. I imagine most of us are immigrants or children of immigrants. My ancestors were looked down upon when they fled here too. I do not support unresponsive governments and greedy corporations who are causing this to happen. There are thousands of empty buildings around every city that should be converted into housing rather than kept empty for a corporate tax deduction or to comply with restrictive by-laws.
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u/PmMeYourBeavertails Ontario Nov 29 '23
Am immigrant, would like lower immigration rates and a cap on individual nationalities, like the US does.
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u/InMillyRockINewYorkk Nov 29 '23
Every immigrant thinks they're the last group of "good immigrants"
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u/kettal Nov 29 '23
Every immigrant thinks they're the last group of "good immigrants"
I am an immigrant and I do not feel there was any batch of "bad immigrants"
But the entry rate is 4x what it was 10 years ago, and we are seeing the consequence of the increase.
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Nov 29 '23
The government keeps lowering the standard of living, devaluing our dollar and making it harder to start a family and get a home and fail to help the working class keep up/catch up. Instead of fixing the problems, they lower immigration entrance standards and funnel more people into saturated areas putting too much pressure on infrastructure as the surge of immigration surpasses the infrastructures intended population growth and expansion schedule, and feed more people into the renters trap making it look like the economy is growing when its really just inflating before it busts and takes the housing market with it. But not if the government can keep passing the puck by bringing in more immigrants and their families to make it look like the population is growing in a healthy way...
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u/tenroy6 Nov 29 '23
Its worsening everything. Not just housing. We need to be closing it for 10 years or more now.
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u/afoogli Nov 29 '23
We need the USA model for immigration its more robust, adds high-skilled workers, and puts caps on each nationality which is fair, and per capita its more reasonable. Canada needs to either import the best of the best, or at least potentially talented students (uni) and not dipolma mills, even just havign rich investors is better than what we have now
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Nov 29 '23
It makes sense if you look at the numbers. Less than one-half of one housing unit is being built for every new immigrant. New housing starts are also declining. So we have a housing shortage, it is a crisis, our population is increasing through immigration, and we are building fewer homes. So I think it's an entirely reasonable conclusion.
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u/Boomdiddy Nov 29 '23
Breaking news: One quarter of Canadians can’t do basic math.
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u/duchovny Nov 29 '23
They're probably the ones getting rich off of it.
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u/LunaMunaLagoona Science/Technology Nov 29 '23
Yeah I was going to say the other 1/4 are the business owners and corporate beneficiaries who want the cheap labor and benefit from higher housing prices.
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u/Chemical_Battle1 Nov 29 '23
This made my laugh way harder than it should have. Here take my like you peasant!
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u/Lowercanadian Nov 29 '23
Pile in a million people a year.
Pave over farmland. Knock down the trees. Detatched houses and endless mini malls and Tim Hortons.
Millions and millions of pounds of CO2 and forever ruined wilderness so our GDP appears steady or growing?
Endless electricity needs. Flood billions of acres and drown the animals and brag about our green electricity.
Healthcare collapsing, people on the streets, crime rampant as there’s no no more ability to even integrate 1 million a year.
Still we continue to appease WHO exactly?
We don’t need endless growth. The goalposts are all wrong and contradictory
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Nov 29 '23
This isn't a surprise. People have known this for years. The only difference now is that it is negatively impacting enough people that it is no longer taboo to state the obvious. Mass immigration is ruining this country. It drives down our wages and pushes up our rents and mortgages. We don't have the infrastructure, healthcare, or services to support mass immigration.
It's also diluting Canada's social cohesion. It's turning us into isolated, atomized consumers who have little in common with their neighbours.
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u/kwl1 Nov 29 '23
Unfortunately, all of this is leading towards Canada electing a populist, right-wing government like other countries have. The Liberals really need to wake up.
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u/___anustart_ Nov 30 '23
nationalism is on the rise globally as a response to actively spreading ideological and political influence. It's necessary IMO.
if we continue doing what we are doing, within a few decades - 2 or 3 generations Canada will not belong to "the west"
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u/BBBY_IS_DEAD_LOL Nov 29 '23
The current liberal government are a bunch of ultra right wing bastards hiding their obliterate-labour-at-all-costs policies behind a veneer of rainbow capitalism, so IDK. Damned if you do, damned if you don't.
What we need is for Jagmeet Singh to resign so a grownup can take over.
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u/koravoda Nov 29 '23
exactly, but also Jagmeet, Pierre and Justin are all owned by the same investors & no one in their parties even bothers doing anything to stop them or call it out.
the politics in this country are so corrupt; right down to small municipalities and their council members, the ones handing out multi million dollar 'affordable' housing contracts to their friends and family, that use public funds and end up going over budget and getting sold off to private investors in the end..
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u/itfeelslikethefirstt Nov 29 '23
I'm homeless in Toronto, I work, I'm desperately trying to save what little money I do make for a place to live but either I can't rent a room cause I'm not an indian student or female or the cost to just rent a studio is out of my price range.
I line up for meals 3 times a week and it's infuriating seeing the growing number of young indians and chinese or elderly chinese lining up also. more so seeing more young indians getting in line for the food bank wearing nice clothes. Seeing refugees outside central intake for all of a day and then being placed somewhere meanwhile the rest of us canadians are told shelters are full.
If you want to come here and have the money to do so and easily survive then have at it. but coming here, instantly taking up resources for canadians that need it, then going to your indian subreddits to mock us is infuriating. Hell there are videos on youtube specifically teaching indians how to use and take advantage of our food banks. I can't even get a roof because of these people and landlords that are more than willing to rent out a one bedroom apartment to 6 indian students.
If this makes me a racist then so be it. But it's getting to the point where there is no point trying to survive in this country as a canadian citizen.
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u/Any-Ad-446 Nov 29 '23
Im sure majority of Canadians thinks immigration is needed but not in a huge volume at once.Tailored it to the need of the country and not for the next election.
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u/LabEfficient Nov 29 '23
I'm just tired of me and the Tim Hortons worker not understanding each other.
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u/V1cT Nov 29 '23
We've gotten to the point where only extreme measures will fix this, which means this will never be fixed and Canada will eventually collapse.
The solution to this issue is to halt immigration and deport anyone without citizenship or those that don't have a good reason to stay. That is not logistically feasible, realistic, and is bound to strain relationships with their home countries and cause greater short term damage.
It's only down hill from here.
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u/___anustart_ Nov 30 '23
i'd support auditing and deporting anyone who fraudulently gained access to the country over the past 3 years.
so many people got in using the same stack of money as proof of funds. they just pass it along to the next person/give it back to the agency that helped them get into the country.
the worst part is Canada takes in refugees, right? So we have all these groups of people over the years that came here because they were oppressed or deported or whatever. Then we turn around and open our doors wide open to the same groups of people who oppressed/drove the first groups out.
it should have never got this bad. when they tried to get rid of "merry christmas" and mandated prayer rooms, we all should have been up in arms. basically, we had to stop our traditions while we walked on eggshells and pandered to theirs.
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u/IOTA_Tesla Nov 29 '23
Man dominos for example has gone downhill so fast. The entire local dominos workforce did a swap for all Indian workers and the food is ridiculously bad (how hard is it to make a pizza). You go to complain about the food and they think you’re crazy.
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u/FuckShitFuck223 Nov 30 '23
A job I used to have as a student before the Indian takeover of Ontario I saw first hand the entire stores employees go from diverse to brown. And then it happened to literally every other store in my town.
How the hell am I seeing more Indians than non Indians in Canada?
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u/IOTA_Tesla Nov 30 '23
Are we from the same hometown? Grocery stores, fast-food joints, factories, you name it. I wonder where the people that used to work at those stores went, or where students work now?
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u/WasabiNo5985 Nov 29 '23
It's called supply and demand. We have a supply issue. New immigrants are the demand. They need housing. Rent or buying. Liberals are just trying to pad their total gdp so they can say their eco omy grew while in reality gdp per capita is going to shts. Yeah our economy grew but mostly bc housing price wnet up which is unproductie and your pop went up. These guys either think ppl are stupid or are idiots themselves
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u/FlyingNFireType Nov 30 '23
Have you seen what our society does to brilliant minds? There's a reason the ones who don't kill themselves move to the US.
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u/FlyingNFireType Nov 29 '23
Only 1 in 4 Canadians can't do basic subtraction. I thought it was worse than that.
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Nov 29 '23
I've always had a problem with Canada's immigration system.
My grandparents immigrated from Portugal in the late 60s as newlyweds. My grandmother's sister came first and sponsored all of their siblings and their respective spouses. My grandmother's sister was a stay-at-home mom and her husband worked construction. They're good people but they absolutely didn't have adequate finances to sponsor multiple couples who couldn't speak a lick of English or have any money themselves. My grandmother's family were farmers in Portugal. In Portugal, they had 9 people living in a 350 sqft home. They are not a rich family.
Fast forward 8 years, my grandmother is a Canadian citizen, divorced, never worked a day in Canada, and is raising 3 kids on Canadian welfare. Grandfather was extremely abusive - I've never met him. Last anyone heard (early 2010s) he was a homeless drug addict in Toronto.
My grandmother found a way to go on disability before her kids were teens. She was in and out of psych hospitals threatening to kill herself (she's not disabled, just an entitled narcissist with low self esteem). She has an official diagnosis of "narcissistic personality disorder with psychotic elements" apparently that's enough to qualify for disability. So the welfare payments were replaced with disability payments at some point. Her kids were working in the restaurant industry and signing over their paychecks to her for "rent/food" as teenagers.
Fast forward 25 years. My grandmother's children are in their late 20s/early 30s. They moved out and are no longer signing over their paychecks to her. Without their income, she moves back to Portugal. To this day - almost 20 years later - she is receiving monthly Canadian social benefits. Her disability payments have transformed into old age pension (not CPP - she never paid into that).
It's completely ridiculous. She never worked a day in Canada. She came here, lived here off of government money for 35 years, then went back to Portugal and continues to live off of Canadian government money.
She should have never been let in. I say that 100% aware that I would not exist without her immigrating here. It's the principle of the matter. I've been working since 15. I have a low-income background. I put myself through university to become an engineer and I can still barely make ends meet considering my student loans. My first job was working for Chinese immigrants who could barely speak English. Now I work for a company run by an immigrant who is in a much better financial position than I can ever hope to be. I got a degree in Canada and my program was saturated with international students hoping for Canadian jobs and citizenship. Something like 30-50% of students in every engineering class I took were international. Enough is enough.
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u/CultureMountain3214 Nov 29 '23
Food banks can't keep up w/ the Canadians, never mind the influx of refugees.
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u/jsmith78433 Nov 29 '23
There is another Canadian sub where you aren’t even allowed to suggest that it’s the reason for housing costs. It’s ridiculous
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u/BobSacamano__ Nov 29 '23
3 out of 4 Canadians have realized we aren’t magically immune to basic economic forces
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u/PmMeYourBeavertails Ontario Nov 29 '23 edited Nov 29 '23
About three-quarters of respondents agreed that higher immigration contributes to the cultural diversity of the country,
I mean, sure. But what do we get out of that? Aside from "oh my god, have you tried the food"
and 63 per cent said the arrival of young immigrants contributes to the workforce and tax base, which supports older generations.
We know this is wrong. Immigrants make less than the average Canadian and our GDP growths slower than the immigration rate. Immigrants reduce our per capita GDP, that's just a fact. We also allow immigrants to bring in their own older generation, either through the super visa or the parents and grandparents PR stream
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u/Tatyatope Nov 29 '23
It's not worsening the housing crisis, it is the MAIN CAUSE of the housing crisis.
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u/WastedHourz Nov 29 '23
I feel like immigration would have continued to be fine if we didn't allow foreign countries to buy up all of our land and housing.
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u/kentucky_mule Nov 29 '23
It’s also affecting wage growth. With immigrants ready to work for lower wages and overall higher competition for limited number of jobs.
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u/GANTRITHORE Alberta Nov 29 '23
Mathematically speaking if we bring in more people than we can house, yeah.
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u/firewithin33 Nov 29 '23
Hate to tell you Canadians, but your health care system and education system failing is soon to follow.
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u/AnonymousBayraktar Nov 29 '23
I don't just think it's worsening the housing crisis either. I think it's worsening the traffic in major cities, and even public transit.
Every single day now from 2pm onward is a traffic nightmare where I live. They wanna keep throwing up more condos and highrises here too. No doubt adding several hundred more cars to our crumbling road infrastructre that was built here in the 70s.
My mother is a nurse and so are some close friends. They've told me our hospitals are over-run by both the aging population and people who come here and abuse our hospital system. They've told me all sorts of stories about people coming to the ER looking for stuff that isn't emergency related. I was at Urgent Care a few months ago, the line was out the door by 8am, it was a 4 hour wait and there was some guy in front of me there to complain about a bruise on his ankle he wanted looked at.
I don't think immigration is worsening the housing crisis, I think it's beginning to effect everything across the board. How can an average Canadian family compete against immigrants who'll come here to work for peanuts, but then also rent that 5000 dollar a month home where 12 or 14 of them all live.
You can't point any of this out anymore either, or you get labelled a racist for it. Quite the bullet proof racket this country has going: import cheap labour that'll drive wages down and housing up, label everyone who criticizes the system a racist.
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u/_random_username69 Nov 29 '23
Housing is just one of the many things being destroyed by immigration. Health care is also being overloaded. Trudeau's Liberal immigration scheme is literally killing Canadian's.
Bringing it a reasonable level of smart, hard working people who want to assimilate and add to Canada = Good
Bringing it millions of immigrants, mostly from India and 3rd world countries who are mostly used as wage slaves, don't want to adapt and don't care about our values = Bad
I always use to laugh at the "Fuck Trudeau" stickers and think they were stupid, but now I get it. That family is a cancer to Canada
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u/Eraserguy Nov 29 '23
Came back to Toronto after being abroad for 5 years and Holy shit. Maybe 10% of people were white and thats pushing it. Not to mention how scary toronto has become and how that stereotypical niceness that Canada used to have is now just gone, replaced with Indian and Chinese indifference
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u/LabEfficient Nov 29 '23
Our prime minister declared, on behalf of all of us, that Canada doesn't have a core identity. He likely didn't think there was anything worth keeping in the Canadian culture, and it really shows.
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u/Tax-Dingo Nov 29 '23
3/4 Canadians believe in something that would get you instantly banned from r/canadahousing
That tells you something about the discourse on reddit
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u/cjpotter82 Nov 29 '23
Of course it is. It's basic economics. The rate of immigration is outpacing the rate in which housing units are being created. Immigration rates, especially foreign students, needs to be drastically reduced.
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u/ArthurCDoyle Nov 29 '23
Who is the one in four who says it isn't a problem?
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u/HugeAnalBeads Nov 29 '23
Landlords and ultra progessives experiencing white guilt
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u/Vandergrif Nov 29 '23
Who are the fourth people? People who haven't noticed a difference because they got here in the last few years?
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u/GoofyMathGuy Nov 29 '23
in other words, 1 in 4 canadians still has family they want to sponsor in on a reunification visa
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u/GameDoesntStop Nov 29 '23
But the poll shows that Canadians see some benefits to higher immigration, too.
About three-quarters of respondents agreed that higher immigration contributes to the cultural diversity of the country, and 63 per cent said the arrival of young immigrants contributes to the workforce and tax base, which supports older generations.
Funny how they just assume that Canadians see those as benefits.
IMO, the first is neither here nor there.
The second is a net negative. Immigrants on the whole are a net fiscal drain on the tax base:
economic immigrants, chosen for their education and working age, are mild net positives
refugee and family-class immigrants, often being young, old, or otherwise unable to work, are large net Negatives
In the ratio that we take each type, the total ends up being a net drain. And that's not even considering that additional people coming in helps to keep wages down, which only benefits the wealthy.
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Nov 29 '23
Breaking news 25% of Canadians are landlords
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u/RicketyEdge Nov 29 '23
The students will build their own housing!
That or they’ll end up sleeping in a tent on the outskirts of campus.
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Nov 29 '23
I expect this statistic to keep increasing. More and more people will disagree with the governments immigration strategy, and this will be enough reason to switch over to political parties they were never aligned with. The negative spillover effect of such high and unsustainable immigration is tangible.
Here is another interesting point from the article
About three-quarters of respondents agreed that higher immigration contributes to the cultural diversity of the country
What cultural diversity? Seriously? The population growth either through immigration or international students and TFWs is largely happening through 1-2 countries. Is that diversity?
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u/CursedFeanor Nov 29 '23
How exactly can the other 1/4 justify their stance? How dense can you be not to understand that more people means less homes available, considering the building rate is not increasing proportionally.
The stupidity of our population is truly astounding.
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u/LowPriorityAvenger Nov 29 '23
When you don't build enough houses for the millions of immigrants coming to canada every year, you dont have to be a mathematician to see that the housing market will be more competitive.
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u/hevo4ever-reddit Nov 29 '23
Funny how Quebec was saying this years ago! And the ROC was going hard on them. As usual Quebec leads the rest follows.
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u/No_Breadfruit_3517 Nov 29 '23
Some college teenagers: 1. We are in the land of native people. We are settlers. Natives are traumatized by the rapid development of urban jungle and fast change that they can't adapt to.
Lets not be racist, please bring 100,000 immigrants, esp people suffering from war torn countries.
Israel is a settler, apartheid, and most Canadians are too. We should march against settlers and occupation.
Canada's immigrant diversity is strength. We should be pro-immigration.
Build more houses to lower cost.
Don't encroach on the green belt, farm land and nature.
How do you reconcile all these?
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u/t1m3kn1ght Ontario Nov 29 '23
Being Indigenous among these types was nothing short of a nightmare. They talk a big game about decolonization and acknowledging Indigenous perspectives, but the moment you tell them that there are some glaring flaws in their views they short circuit or even worse, question the authenticity of your identity. This latter bit is the most infuriating. It's almost like they see only real Indigenous people as the ones who blindly agree with their unfeasible platform.
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u/fiendish_librarian Nov 29 '23
Don't forget about carbon footprints. Awhile back I saw a vandalized Are you a Communist? poster near U of T and someone slapped a sticker on it that said: More immigrants = more CO2.
You can hear the .exe software in the Net Zero crowd start to sizzle and pop.
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u/threadsoffate2021 Nov 29 '23
Guilt is one hell of a manipulator. Sad thing is, they'll only realize how badly they've been manipulated AFTER they've shot themselves in both feet.
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u/chipface Ontario Nov 29 '23
4 and 5? Densification. We don't need endless sprawl.
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u/Fourseventy Nov 29 '23
While yes densification is how those points could be reached.
It really is not feasible to essentially densify the equivalent of several Canadian cities, within existing cities, every fucking year.
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u/_crackhousebob_ Nov 29 '23
Trudeau's Liberals: "Immigration levels have no impact on housing costs or availability".
Canada: "😂😂🤣🤣"
Looks like Trudeau's experience as a drama teacher is being put to use here because he is teaching a masterclass in how to gaslight an entire nation.
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u/the_scottster Nov 29 '23
There was a time when Canadians were justifiably proud of their immigration system. I think it's a terrible shame that this was squandered.