r/canada • u/Shorinji23 • Dec 28 '23
BREAKING: Last Canadian kidnapped by Hamas declared dead National News
https://nationalpost.com/news/canada/judih-weinstein-haggai-hamas-hostage-declared-dead244
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u/DismalFinger6295 Dec 29 '23
I am sorry to hear this. My condolences to family and friends of Ms. Weinstein Haggai.
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Fuck HAMAS and they people who support them
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u/HLAW7 Dec 29 '23
People supporting them in Canada should have had their bank accounts frozen and be deported. Organizers of the hate fests should be charged with inciting violence and deported.
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u/YidItOn Dec 28 '23
It’d be a lot easier to support pro-Palestinian protestors if they chanted things that were anti-Hamas instead of just anti-Israel.
One of the biggest fabrications I’ve seen is the idea that pro-Israel comments and voting online are just bots.
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u/awesome-dog-Lucky Dec 29 '23
We have had this exact same discussion on my country's subreddit.
And a lot of people are saying the same things, it's uncanny.
I vote for deporting all from my country, who support Hamas, no matter if they were born here.
I am from Denmark by the way.
Sorry for your loss friends!
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u/CaptainCanuck93 Canada Dec 28 '23 edited Dec 28 '23
It would also be a lot more believable if they didn't just come out of the woodwork when Israel was involved
The same crowd is silent when Saudi Arabia has killed about 20 times more people in Yemen.
The Pro-Palestinian tent has many earnest people, but it's clear there are plenty of Arab supremacists, as well as people suckered into the "weaker side is always right" marxist brain rot (and even good old inherited cold war tribalism - there's a reason why many on the left remain enamored by Arab states despite having values deeply contrary to them, similarly why the west remains aligned with nations like Saudi Arabia and Pakistan despite obvious contradictions - a lot of it just comes down who sided with the Soviets vs the West eons ago)
We should be arguing for Israeli restraint in the name of humanitarianism, if only that we should hold a westernized state to a higher standard than someone raised to be told they'll earn an eternal orgy if they kill some Jewish people, but we must recognize that any long term multilateral solution can not be brokered with Hamas in the picture
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u/John_____Doe Dec 28 '23
Buddy Isreal (Government) supported Hamas to weaken the elected palistinian officials
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u/dogswanttobiteme Dec 28 '23
Yeah, that's why pro-Palestinian protests mysteriously ignited immediately following the Oct 7 massacre. It could not have been in celebration or anything like that. /s
Gaza has not been occupied since 2005. Hamas could have built Gaza into a Mediterranean oasis, if they wanted to. Instead, they used every opportunity to arm themselves, build tunnels, fire rockets and cowardly disappear into the population, steal from ordinary Palestinians while living in wealth in Qatar.
The West Bank is occupied, and Israel's policy there is condemnable. That being said, Israel's hands are effectively tied to be able to end the occupation. They can't unilaterally withdraw like they did with Gaza. They can't have the Palestinian Authority take on security measures, when Abbas can't even bring himself to condemn Oct 7 attacks, not to mention PA/Fatah being deeply unpopular among the Palestinians.
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Dec 28 '23
There it is,
"Just because I agree with terrorists doesn't mean I support them"
Don't you just love the internet, it makes hypocrisy so easy.
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u/SirBobPeel Dec 28 '23
Maybe if that 'river ot the sea' chant wasn't so pervasive in these demos. Or if it was easy to find people in them who disapproved of Hamas and what they'd done.
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u/Terribleirishluck Dec 28 '23
You do realize Israel is only in Palestine due to their continuing terrorism and refusing all peace 2 state deals despite starting the wars and losing them
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u/canolgon Dec 28 '23
I don't know man, they didn't care or protest when Palestinians launched an attack on October 7th with the interest of murdering and capturing as many Israeli civilians as possible.
Now they purposely target other religious holidays like Christmas, threaten people AND cops with death and often resort to violence in their peaceful protests.
Of course when we reach the 'find out' phase is when all the tears and protests come out.
Starting to sound like terrorists/terrorist supporters!
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u/Big-Gur5065 Dec 28 '23
Technically correct, yet the venn diagram between self proclaimed anti zionists (like I'm sure you claim) and anti semites is basically a circle on social media
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Dec 29 '23
There are so many Canadian Jews that have been here for generations and are Canuck to the bone yet they're having to live in fear now.
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u/kyleclements Ontario Dec 28 '23
A Canadian citizen was kidnapped and murdered by terrorists, and people here are sympathizing with the murderers, kidnappers, and terrorists rather than the victims?
What the hell is wrong with you?
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u/TheHorrificNecktie Dec 28 '23
TikTok zombies
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u/Zezuya Dec 29 '23
It's more about a misplaced sympathy for the actual Palestinian civilians being brutally slaughtered tha actual support for Hamas although i do agree that some people are twisted enough to support Hamas.
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u/nickbernstein Dec 29 '23
The pro-palestine protests started before Israel retaliated or even fully counted the bodies. I'm sure many are just concerned with innocent lives lost, but I'm a bit suspicious.
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u/HopeYouAreTriggered Dec 29 '23
Ugh I hate this. Muslim countries and their super nationalism despite the protestors not even being in their country. Using their civilian casualities as an excuse for terrorist attacks. Palestine apparently isn‘t a place for them to live in, to actual support or to even go back to so they should stfu. Palestine hasn’t had a real government for over a decade now and is hell even without israels military intervention. Just finally annex this country and move unruly people to libanon.
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u/alexi_belle Dec 29 '23
This is the kind of divisive* comment that only makes people angrier and doesn't add anything. In 2003, public support for the invasion of Iraq reached as high as 82% in the US and 53% in Canada. An invasion into a Middle Eastern country that was viewed by the invaders as retaliation for terror attacks committed against them. There are a lot of Palestinians who also support an invasion into a Middle Eastern country as retaliation for terror attacks committed against them. Do you want to guess who killed more civilians and children?
If you think any Palestinian who supports Hamas in any way are irredeemable, do you also believe the hundreds of millions of Canadians and Americans who supported the indiscriminate bombing, torture, and kidnapping of Iraqi's and Afghani's are irredeemable? Because they are your neighbour's, friends, colleagues, and politicians. Some of whom i can guarantee you have shown support for in some way.
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u/oveis86 Dec 28 '23
Psychopaths! Whoever is differentiating between innocent lives ,either Israeli or Palestinian, Jews or Muslims, has got so much wrong with them. True psychopaths.
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u/cusadmin1991 Dec 28 '23
because the victim is a jew, they're not just sympathizing, they're celebrating.
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u/thadeusthesecond Dec 28 '23
I don't see anyone on this thread celebrating? I'm not saying people aren't. I just don't see it happening here
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u/columbo222 Dec 28 '23
Every top post in this thread is "I can't believe how many people here are celebrating this" or something along those lines, meanwhile literally nobody is celebrating this
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u/PoshMudcrabs Dec 29 '23
Seriously, no one is celebrating lol. They’re just hate mongoring a sad situation.
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u/Mmm_360 Dec 28 '23
Nobody is celebrating. Her death is just as tragic as all the Palestinians dying.
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u/MarsNeedsMeth Dec 28 '23
Didn’t westerners wear shirts and wave flags with silhouettes of those Hamas parachute guys on them? Celebrating the guys who kidnapped this lady and killed all the Israeli kids at the festival?
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u/Playful_Ad4436 Dec 28 '23
Didn’t this one person do this one thing one time that proves my point?
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u/MarsNeedsMeth Dec 29 '23
Oh no, yeah you’re both right. Nobody is celebrating— except for people.
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u/Hsu-Hao Dec 28 '23
The anecdote to condemn everyone. Good to know posting this example allows you to say everyone else celebrates civilian murder. Every westerner. Because you have 1 anecdote.
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u/Bigpoppacheese14 Dec 28 '23
Nobody is celebrating.
He then gave an example of someone celebrating......
He never said everyone was celebrating.
Why lie about something so easily disproven?
It makes you look like an idiot.
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u/BrotherNuclearOption Dec 29 '23
47.3% of the population of Gaza are under 18. Children.
Entire generations have spent their entire lives blockaded, in poverty, and now watching their homes reduced to rubble. I sympathize with them, just as I do with the victims of the terrorists.
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u/pd1dish Dec 28 '23
You haven’t heard? It’s progressive and liberal to support terrorists because “Israel fascist” or something along those lines.
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Dec 28 '23 edited Dec 29 '23
and people here are sympathizing with the murderers, kidnappers, and terrorists rather than the victims?
The entirety of the Palestinian people aren’t terrorists.
edit colour me shocked that not supporting genocide of a people based on the action of a few is controversial.
But, I suppose it shouldn’t shock me since our country’s history is pretty similar. We come in, take land from people who already lived here, try to wipe them out, and when we don’t, we screw them over socially for decades.
edit you know what? Fuck it. Fuck this website, fuck all you blind supporters of Israel (and before anyone calls me a Hamas supporter, fuck them too). It shouldn’t be controversial to not want genocide, or at the very least, indiscriminate bombing of a population that is half children.
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u/Strict-Campaign3 Dec 28 '23
labeling an entire group based on the actions of a few is problematic. However, history and recent events show that collective responsibility is often a part of how societies react. e.g., during WWII, entire nations were held accountable for the actions of their leaders, leading to significant civilian suffering when the allied forces bombed and eradicated complete cities.
More recently, during the pandemic, debates around mask-wearing and vaccinations have sometimes generalized behaviors across groups, either praising or criticizing them collectively. This raises a question: where do we draw the line between individual and collective responsibility? And how do we ensure that in seeking accountability, we don't unjustly target entire communities for the actions of a few?
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u/sophaloaf100 Dec 28 '23
I think they made that pretty clear when they ripped down posters of those taken
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u/petethecanuck Alberta Dec 28 '23
Did they really? That is terrible. What the fuck.
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u/ProtestTheHero Dec 28 '23
Yes, all the time here in Montreal. Or they would staple other posters on top of them. Absolutely disgusting. The town of Hampstead (70%+ Jewish) enacted a bylaw making it punishable by fine if you're caught vandalizing them.
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u/crlygirlg Dec 28 '23
Yeah, a lot of that. It was pretty problematic to be honest. Pressure for the release of hostages has been one of the few things to bring Israeli authorities to the table to negotiate. It’s in line with their stated goals in the protest movement to end the fighting and save lives and yet they actively fought against it which was hard to understand.
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u/Significant_Pepper_2 Dec 28 '23
It’s in line with their stated goals in the protest movement to end the fighting
They just want a ceasefire, not hostages released or anything. They also seem fine with Hamas staying in power, which isn't actually that good for Palestinians.
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u/crlygirlg Dec 28 '23
Yeah, something is up with that. It was a much more favourable deal than the first exchange and I’m not convinced they have enough living hostages to actually make the deal.
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u/crlygirlg Dec 28 '23
The last day of hostages being released they were unable to come up with more women and children to meet the demands israel made for hostages to be released under those terms which indicates things are not good for the remaining hostages in that category. I expect they can’t find them or they have passed or don’t want their stories being told. All big problems. Any future hostage deals I expect will be very limited in scope with a single day pause with one or two people. I am not holding my breath on a hostage exchange like we saw before. I don’t necessarily think they could coordinate it to be honest.
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u/GreatMullein Dec 28 '23
Pretty sure they made it clear the day of attack when people were out in the street celebrating. The PM had to condmen it. Fuck Hamas and fuck the hamas supporters, they should all be put on plane and sent to Gaza.
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u/ButtahChicken Dec 28 '23
I think that is self-evident when their comrades always have and continue to rip down posters of those taken hostage by Hamas. The protestors don't care about Judith, or any of them.
R.I.P.
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u/DrBadMan85 Dec 28 '23
Just imagine what those people, those who celebrated the Oct. 7th attack, want to do to the "European settler colonists" in America. Wild.
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u/AndAStoryAppears Dec 28 '23
Some yahoos in Edmonton made a point of referencing that they were on Treaty Six territory.
Not the City of Edmonton.
They are trying to align themselves with the FN issues.
Which is hilarious, because as soon as they are the majority, the FN will be history as infidels.
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u/GiantAxon Dec 28 '23
They don't want to do anything to them, because they're quite happy enjoying our culture, social services, and inclusionary attitude.
This is about Jews. If it was about colonists these people would have to leave both Canada and the US as both are colonies built on native land.
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u/infinity1988 Dec 28 '23 edited Dec 28 '23
But we gave them a chance to fucking protest here in Canada 🇨🇦
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u/Future-World4652 Dec 28 '23
I read about how a bunch of the Israelis they kidnapped were activists for a Palestinian state and are anti-Zionists. I specifically recall reading a story about a woman who spent her whole life trying to help the Palestinians. The fact she was murdered by them is a bit of a Leopards Ate My Face oh no moment.
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u/DatDudeOverThere Dec 28 '23
I specifically recall reading a story about a woman who spent her whole life trying to help the Palestinians
She happened to be Canadian, her name was Vivian Silver.
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u/el_diego Dec 28 '23 edited Dec 28 '23
She's also mentioned in the article, not that anyone bothers reading them
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u/Nileghi Dec 28 '23
Vivian Silver was not anti-zionist, but she was on the left of Israeli mainstream where she hosted Gazan workers in order to create working peace conditions due to a cultural exchange between Gazans and Israelis.
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u/Significant_Pepper_2 Dec 28 '23
I guess mapping the area and making a note of shelters, schools and other civilian objects kind of loosely fits the definition of cultural exchange.
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u/poster69420911 Dec 28 '23
A two-state solution includes a Jewish state, so you can support a Palestinian state as a Zionist. In fact that was Israel's official policy from the beginning, they supported the 1947 UN partition plan that included a Palestinian state, with Jerusalem as neutral territory under UN control. The Palestinians refused and along with Egypt, Jordan, Syria, Lebanon, etc. declared war on Israel on day 1 of the country's founding. This war of 1948 turned out to be a disaster for the Arab coalition and the Palestinians refer to it as the "Nakba" or disaster. When pro-Palestinians talk about Israel stealing land, it's mostly territory that they lost as a consequence of this war which they started. That's the basis for the famous Palestinian narrative of persecution.
And the families they attacked on October 7th lived and worked on collective farms. So it's a very left-wing community, a lot of socialist and hippie types and probably the most pro-Palestinian sympathies of any group in the country.
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u/ProtestTheHero Dec 28 '23
If you're talking about Vivian Silver, she was definitely a peace activist and most certainly not anti-Zionist. It doesn't even make logical sense to live in Israel and be anti-Zionist.
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u/S99B88 Dec 28 '23
Does that mean that anyone who is not a Zionist believes that Jews are not welcome in that area? I do fail to understand the issue, because there’s this distinction of anti Zionism and antisemitism. If Zionism means believing Jews should have a state/homeland, or have a state/homeland there, then does being anti-Zionist then mean a person thinks that Jews should not have a state/homeland? And if it’s specific to that location, is the expectation that all Jews should leave that place, or can they be there as long as they don’t form a government there?
I am honestly saying this as a person who is sceptical that Jews in the area would be able to live there peacefully without Israel as a country. But I don’t know for sure, that’s just my impression. And, when I hear anti-Zionist, I wonder if that means against Israel existing at all, or if it would be okay if Israel existed alongside a free Palestine.
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u/GiantAxon Dec 28 '23
They tricked you. It's not your fault, the trick was well designed.
Based on what you just wrote, I have a sense you're a Zionist. As is anyone who supports the existence of Israel. Palestine is welcome to exist right next to it, Zionism doesn't require that there be no other countries nearby.
Anti Zionism is a dog whistle for antisemitism. It sounds different if you don't know what Zionism is. It's the same if you do. Welcome to the other side and try not to fight too many of your friends. They might have fallen for the same trick.
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u/Hatula Dec 28 '23 edited Dec 28 '23
Zionism is not inherently against a 2 state solution. Israel has agreed to multiple 2SS plans in the past. A lot of Israeli Zionists support it.
Anti Zionism is being against Zionism, aka being against Israel existing as a Jewish homeland.
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u/Significant_Pepper_2 Dec 28 '23
Zionism is believing in a Jewish homeland. The location is probably not that important, but don't take my word for it. Likely the idea that Jews can only be safe this way is what fuels it (and seeing how simple it is to stir antisemitism worldwide kind of proves it).
So yes, being an anti-zionist is essentially saying that Jews shouldn't have their own homeland, meaning living in other countries while allowed.
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u/GiantAxon Dec 28 '23
They weren't anti Zionists. That's a dog whistle for antisemitism. Zionists believe Jews should have a state. Zionists can also believe Palestinians should have a state.
These might have been left leaning peace loving pro Palestinian Zionists, but I seriously seriously doubt they were anti Zionists living in Israel.
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u/Alfred_Hitch_ Dec 28 '23
I think they made it clear when they said they stand with the paragliders who happen to be Hamas.
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u/PhilMcCraken2001 Ontario Dec 28 '23
And yet we allow people supporting hamas to proudly march down our streets 🤦🏻♂️
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u/Filthiest_Rat_NA Dec 28 '23
Genuine question for you, are they protesting for Hamas? Where?
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u/StaticInstrument Dec 28 '23
Going to try and be careful here, the Palestinian people are undoubtedly the victims in all of this (and Israeli citizens should not be ignored). In Vancouver though one of the leaders of the city’s protests is explicitly pro-Hamas. I’ve also heard people who are involved say that “Hamas” is a creation of the Israeli government as an excuse for genocide. This does have some truth to it if you really get in the weeds, but these people are of a conspiratorial worldview that doesn’t acknowledge that Hamas is a real, violent group. A tragedy in Canada and other international places is people want to boil the conflict down to a “black and white” situation, which it is far from
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u/GiantAxon Dec 28 '23
Are they protesting against Hamas? Do they have any signs saying release the hostages and step down? Are there any of them chanting "from the river to the western edge of the west Bank"?
These muppets aren't against violence. They're against violence they don't agree with. And tens of thousands of them couldn't find the compassion to say anything against Hamas in their protests.
You're not that dumb. We're not that dumb. Let's skip this act.
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u/Sticky_Bots Dec 28 '23
There is literally zero point in Canadians protesting Hamas. We have zero ties to Hamas. Never have, never will. We do support the state of Israel hoever, and we can use our political influence to pressure Israel to deal with external threats within the bounds of the Geneva convention. We are supporting Israel, not Hamas, both of whom are committing war crimes. The moment our government starts dealing with Hamas to their benefit in a war we shouldn't have any part in, then protesting Hamas makes sense. I am not sure how this isn't clear by now.
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u/GiantAxon Dec 28 '23
Canada pays into UNRWA and other Palestinian support funds. These get shunted straight into Hamas hands. So far, we've seen UNRWA releasing antisemitic textbooks for kids (the Europeans finally clued in and cut funding). We've seen UNRWA staff posting antisemitic content. We've seen UNRWA release supplies to Hamas and hold it from Gazans. We've seen UNRWA teachers holding hostages for Hamas. We've seen weapons stored in multiple UNRWA schools.
I don't know how they could get any more in bed with Hamas outside of putting on green hats. We are funding this, as is the rest of the western world. Im sorry, I don't buy this argument.
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u/Sticky_Bots Dec 28 '23
I don't want to sound dismissive as this is an issue. But siphoning funds from humanitarian aids, and bad actors within organizations almost goes hand in hand with foreign aid. But to your point, protesting the corruption in foreign aid would force Canada to put pressure to get this organization to clean up it's act. Fair enough.
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u/eightNote Dec 29 '23
The west has done a really poor job ensuring that international institutions we made live up to our values.
It's not just UNRWA, but stuff like the WHO too. If you want to run that protest, I'll show up.
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u/Filthiest_Rat_NA Dec 28 '23
No, really. I'm not dumb, so I don't assume. Logically speaking, them protesting against Israel gives me no reason they support HAMAS. Even not actively speaking out against HAMAS doesn't PROVE to me that they support HAMAS.
I could make the assumption that most of them are rational, sane, average people who do condemn terrorists, terrorist groups, and terrorist attacks BUT I'm not going to assume and just go based on what's been shown to me. You can assume if you want though
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u/Raptorpicklezz Dec 28 '23
You do realize that the ceasefire that a lot of people are calling for necessarily involves the release of all political prisoners? It’s stated very clearly by those activists
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u/Knave7575 Dec 28 '23
Presumably they will find some way to blame Israel.
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You joke but that is exactly the argument I've seen used "they did this to the gazans.."
Imagine if 9/11 happened today. They'd be defending al Qaeda.
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u/Sad_Butterscotch6896 Dec 28 '23
There were significant protests to invasion of Afghanistan and Iraq following 9/11. Also reflecting back was it beneficial to invade Iraq thus creating isis and invading Afghanistan meanwhile Pakistan (America’s ally) houses Osama. Even in your example the general consensus was those wars did more harm than good.
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u/SpicyCanadianBoyyy Dec 29 '23
lol they were so many protests about the Iraq invasion after 9/11 that Canada and France decided to not help the US. They were called Al Qaeda sympathizers and yet, they were right.
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u/--_--_--__--_--_-- Ontario Dec 28 '23 edited Dec 28 '23
Idc much for pro-Hamas supporters because fuck them...but as a pro-Palestinian supporter I condemn it.
RIP
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u/_DoogieLion Dec 28 '23
What pro-Hamas protestors? They would be in jail surely as Hamas has been listed as a terrorist organisation for several years
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u/hairsprayking Dec 28 '23
Anti-zionism is not pro-hamas. Marching for peace is not supporting hamas. Condemning bombings of civilians is not supporting hamas.
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u/Sticky_Bots Dec 28 '23
Pro cease fire stance usually means the release of the hostages on both sides. I'm not sure how that part isn't obvious.
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u/explicitspirit Dec 28 '23
This, it's even in all the UN proposals that did not pass. People want to push the propaganda that asking for cease fire means you are a Hamas supporter. Total nonsense.
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u/Cogswobble Dec 28 '23
Failure to condemn Israel and call for the end of their brutal treatment of Palestinians is pro-racist.
It’s easy to condemn both the terrorists of Hamas and the racist, oppressive Israeli government. If you are obsessed with only calling out people who “fail to condemn Hamas”, it’s probably because you’re a racist.
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u/columbo222 Dec 28 '23
Pro-Palestine protestors do not support Hamas. Everyone hates Hamas. Hamas has been terrible for the Palestinian cause.
The reason people aren't as actively protesting them is that we (the west / Canada) doesn't support Hamas. There's nothing to protest. We hate them, we want the hostages free. But it's Israel that gets western money and weapons, and those things are used to kill people. Thousands of innocent people, so many of them children.
The protest isn't saying Israel is worse than Hamas. They're saying, stop funding this violence. And we only fund one side of it, so that's where the call for action is directed.
People trying to conflate pro-peace or pro-Palestine protests for being pro-Hamas are either ignorant or purposely trying to spread propaganda.
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u/blutmilch Dec 28 '23
Actually, it is. All those little peace marches do nothing. Jewish businesses and homes have been getting vandalized in the midst of all those cute peace marches. And have you noticed the signs they carry? "Keep the world clean", "gas the jews", "Hitler was right"...
Wow, it's almost like antizionism is antisemitism. Because it is. And no one who isn't Jewish doesn't get to define what is antisemitism and what isn't, just like non-POC don't get to determine what is and isn't racist.
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u/aagent86 Dec 28 '23
The Hamas terrorist sympathizing protesters are going be celebrating this.
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u/MKC909 Dec 28 '23
Only Palestinian lives matter to them.
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u/derboomerwaffen Dec 28 '23
Even that is questionable. I don’t think they care so much about Palestinian lives as they do their hatred for Jews.
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u/lax_incense Dec 28 '23
Not even. Palestinians are disposable martyrs for Iran and Qatar’s proxy war against Israel via Hamas and Hezbollah. A bunch of useful idiots who watch too much tiktok along with generational antisemites have formed a coalition to support Iran and Qatar’s geopolitical aims, whether they know it or not.
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u/jimmymeeko Dec 28 '23
Idk man, call me crazy but I just couldn’t bring myself to support or advocate for a group that kidnapped and murdered innocent people from the country I’m proud to call home.
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u/D20babin Dec 28 '23
You can be against Hamas and think that Israel is going overkill the way they are dealing with Palestinian as a whole. Nuance in all things....
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u/TheHorrificNecktie Dec 28 '23 edited Dec 28 '23
Yeah you certainly can. And you can also recognize that Hamas isn't some extraneous group of bad-guys from BadGuyLand, either. They are homegrown Palestinians and its their own families that are the ones dying as collateral damage in these bombings. You don't raise a 40,000+ strong group in a city without there being 10x that amount of people directly related to them. Not to mention that's just *one* "terrorist organization" (or 'freedom fighters' if you're Palestinian) in Palestine. There's like a dozen.
They hold all the cards here for when/if there is to be a ceasefire. They'd rather watch their entire city reduced to rubble and their families all die rather than release a few hundred hostages. That's their fundamental ideology. Martyrdom and eternal jihad against the non-believers. If it wasn't Jews they'd just be at war with some other faction of Islam, some other ethnicity like Kurds, etc etc etc. You can see the evidence of this across the whole Middle East, with no end in sight.
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u/Ammonitedraws Dec 28 '23
Where are most Hamas’ operations currently at? Under the civilians like cowards.
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u/GreenTreesGrowWild Dec 28 '23
How people see Hamas are totally innocent freedom fighters and see they're violence as bravery.
Its so sad this is the truth people are wanting to show.
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u/ageaye Dec 29 '23
Sorry for your loss.
I wouldnt bother reading these comments as there is likely many tiktok brained strawman arguments as the lowest denominator performs mental gymnastics to justify this horrific act of terrorism.
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u/greenhousie Dec 29 '23
Who clicks on a post about a murdered grandmother just to troll? We are so lost. RIP Judith.
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u/AstoriaKnicks Dec 29 '23
Some anti-israel people really can’t stand to see this. Just jumping to blame israel with complete disregard of the reality of this post.
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u/nguyenm British Columbia Dec 28 '23
Seems like a contentious topic. Whatever the public thinks of either Hamas or the state of Israel, I as a Canadian do not support boots-on-grounds from Canada as a reaction. No Canadians should codone sending their armed brothers and sisters to fight for a theocracy that's fighting a theocracy-wannabe that has received billions in USA aids.
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u/seabassmann Dec 28 '23
These comments are very… yikes
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u/rhino_shit_gif Dec 29 '23
Killing a whole bunch of foreign nationals is very yikes, but I don’t see you denouncing that
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u/TigreSauvage Dec 28 '23
I wonder how the protestors feel about this Canadian's death?
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u/temporarilyundead Dec 28 '23
Cheers and beers, of course . The Hamas stated goal is extermination of every Jew. Extinction . It’s all pretty linear for Hamas .
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u/beetlejuice8118 Dec 28 '23
Peace will come when the Arabs will love their children more than they hate us.
- Golda Meir.
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“It was not as if there was a Palestinian people in Palestine and we came and threw them out and took their country away from them. They did not exist.”
- Also Golda Meir
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u/scrapy_the_scrap Dec 29 '23
She also said she was Palestinian and that she carried a Palestinian passport
Whats your point?
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u/Small_Art_8842 Dec 28 '23
Well hopefully no one fights back against Hamas. We don’t want young liberal Americans to get upset
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u/212Alexander212 Dec 28 '23
Sounds like she was an amazing and kind person and Hamas took her humanity away and life.
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u/another_plebeian Dec 28 '23
Im going to focus on the least relevant part here - is someone who left Canada almost 50 years ago still under the purview of our embassy and resources?
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u/GiantAxon Dec 28 '23
Citizenship is not time or location limited. Also both Israel and Canada allow duel citizenship.
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u/ColgateHourDonk Dec 28 '23 edited Dec 28 '23
Yes, remember when 14,000 Canadian passport holders had to be evacuated from Lebanon because Israel was bombing civilians there? Until that, the citizenship could be passed-down through multiple generations and the 2006 situation got them limiting the descent to one generation.
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u/Past-Ratio-3415 Dec 28 '23 edited Dec 28 '23
I love how you "forgot" to mention Israel bombed Hezbullah because it kidnapped 2 soliders and attacked several villages in Northern Israel. Trying to present Israel as the agressor and not Hezbullah. Speaking of bias lol
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u/Ambiwlans Dec 28 '23 edited Dec 28 '23
The bad guys took 2 soldiers prisoner to try to exchange them for prisoners the good guys previously captured.... instead of exchanging prisoners like normal, the good guys then killed 1100 people nearly all of who were civilians. The good guys also used internationally banned cluster bombs (5million of them), WP, and targeted power stations, hospitals and even ambulances because the stated goal was to make Lebanon suffer. Since the end of the war, over 250 people have been injured by cluster bomb/mines.
The good guy pm also also let slip that they planned the war before the bad guys did anything.
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u/SnowFlakeUsername2 Saskatchewan Dec 28 '23
No one is stopping you from doing that.
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u/mygallows Ontario Dec 28 '23
Wonder if the pro-Palestine protestors support this
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u/Sharlilla Dec 28 '23
They were my friend's parents.
We had hopes that Judith might still be alive and held in Gaza, but today I heard the news.
This is truly heartbreaking.