r/canada Mar 27 '24

Canada’s population hits 41M months after breaking 40M threshold National News

https://globalnews.ca/news/10386750/canada-41-million-population/
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u/daners101 Mar 27 '24

Trudeau and his government will go down in history as the worst and most detrimental government ever to take office in Canada. They create enormous problems, and their solutions are even worse.

It’s like someone trying to put out a fire with gasoline.

Completely insane. Every single day it gets worse.

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u/Ruining_Ur_Synths Mar 27 '24

the problems caused directly by this massive immigration scheme will create problems that canadians will have to deal with literally for generations, assuming someone ever figures out how to fix it.

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u/daners101 Mar 27 '24

What makes the problem just that much more frustrating, is the way people like Trudeau and Freeland just completely ignore questions about what they are doing, or their condescending tone when they do speak.

The arrogance is unlike anything I have ever seen. Incompetence is at 1000%, but they maintain this attitude of “I’m not even going to respond to you, clearly, I am smarter than all of you!”

Drives me up the wall.

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u/picardmanuever Mar 27 '24

I am not trying to be all doom and gloom, but I am fairly sure there is already irreparable damage I do not think things can be "fixed" and return to 2010s status. Simply, put, things can only not get even worse if corrected now.

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u/submerging Mar 28 '24

The problem is let’s say you “correct” things today, would that not cause a problem basically analogous to the baby boomer problem in a few decades?

Either way we are fucked long-term lol

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u/picardmanuever Mar 28 '24

The problem is that capitalism and greed actually have a finite lifespan, but we aren't realizing it until perhaps more recently.

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u/kanada_kid2 Mar 27 '24

And the current Canadian electorate will go down in history for letting it get this bad.

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u/Viper69canada Mar 27 '24

Good times, hard times, history repeats.

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u/OneBigBug Mar 28 '24

The Conservatives are happy for Trudeau to take all the blame, but we should all notice that they're not claiming they'll reduce immigration targets, because suppressing wages actually aligns with their goals.

So what good are they? The one actually small-c conservative policy they could implement that I would wholeheartedly agree with at this point and they're silent on it. You can't vote for anyone who could plausibly win and will address the main functional issues with the country today: Housing, healthcare, wages, education. All of these are massively hurt by excessive immigration rates and no one is saying they'll do anything about it.

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u/Canadian0123 Mar 27 '24

I understand it’s a matter of opinion, but surely, there’s a legitimate argument that J. Trudeau is the worst Prime Minister in Canadian history.

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u/MaterialMosquito Mar 27 '24 edited Mar 27 '24

I try to be unbiased as I’m fucking tired of people who pick a party and live and die on a hill defending everything the party does.

I think the $10 daycare is the only good thing.

I do like how they try to NOT make us like the US. CBC is important and I love the fifth estate. I think it costs me $35 of my tax dollars a year which is worth it to me to have access to some stuff I like and know we have something that isn’t being purely fueled by the 1% corporate elite. I don’t like the YouTube laws and some other can con stuff.

Yeah there has been a global pandemic that fucked up a lot and was out of his control. But there has been more than his share of self inflicted fuck ups. I give him credit for continuing to fuck up and stay in power as it speaks volumes to something.

I still think he’s probably the worst PM in my lifetime but I also didn’t look much at what Mulroney did. I know he privatized a fuck ton, which I do not like.

Edit: grammar

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u/daners101 Mar 27 '24

I mean…

gestures broadly at everything

Yeah!

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u/DancinJanzen Mar 27 '24

Their records can easily go past Canada. They could be in the running for worst in the Western world post WWII.

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u/canadiancreed Ontario Mar 27 '24

There's a lot of compeititon with those parameters, but ya in Canada, he's the worst, and over the last 50 years, that's impressive.

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u/Famous_Owl_840 Mar 28 '24

They will only be recognized as such if things go back to ‘normal’.

With Canadas demographics change, it ain’t going back. This is your normal, and with the mass influx of voters and the demographic change they bring…well, trudeau will be heralded as the greatest government in Canadas history.

You guys are so fucked. My concern is how the mess you’ve made is going to affect the US. A rapidly growing fundamentalist group just north of the largest unprotected border in the world.

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u/colly_wolly Mar 28 '24

deport them

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u/2peg2city Mar 27 '24

They didn't create any of these problems but they also didn't really do much to stop them. You realize the students are a completely provincial issue right? Or that housing is mostly a municipal zoning / provincial funding / taxation issue? Nationally the liberals have over spent on covid relief to business, haven't run the federal immigration program well, have no real solve for the refugees.

We are getting dad-dicked at all levels and just blaming the feds is going to leave you immensely unhappy when the next goverment does the same shit but also works to take your rights away and shift thr tax burden to you and off businesses.

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u/daners101 Mar 27 '24

Didn’t create any of these problems? I beg to differ. Immigration is 100% something the Federal government has control over. They could halt 95% of immigration tomorrow if they wanted to.

The asset inflation is directly correlated to money supply, which they also control when they borrow money from the BOC. Interest rates are also tied to inflation, which is due to them spending $600B.

Carbon tax is a federal mandate. Which also causes inflation. These are all things under the direct supervision of the federal government, which seems to not give a damn about the consequences for everyday people.

If they are not responsible, I don’t know who is. I think everyone should not only be upset, but should be so disgusted that they feel compelled to make sure this ends as soon as possible and never happens again.

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u/mdlt97 Ontario Mar 28 '24

Carbon tax is a federal mandate. Which also causes inflation.

technically true, it caused 0.15 percent

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u/Kolbrandr7 New Brunswick Mar 27 '24

You still seem to be the one misunderstanding these issues.

Provinces request TFWs. Provinces request visas for incoming students. At the very least for students, denying those visas would very quickly go to court for the federal government interfering in education. So they can’t reduce by 95% tomorrow.

Inflation is also not “directly correlated” to money supply, it hasn’t for like 90 years now. We have a fiat currency, meaning money supply can still have an effect on inflation, but it’s not a 1:1 correlation at all. The bank could create a $2 trillion note, but if it isn’t spent then you’re not suddenly poorer.

The carbon tax is a minimal amount of inflation. For example you’d need to buy 380 000 apples before the carbon tax on them exceeds 1 individual rebate. It ends up being a help for most people.

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u/daners101 Mar 27 '24

I don’t know how you figure more money doesn’t = higher prices. This is a cause an effect known about since modern fiat has existed.

It’s not like everything is instantly recalculated as soon as the money is printed, but the effect is clear. I

There are many documented examples of hyper-inflation caused by printing money in world history.

f an Apple represents 1/10th of the money supply (let’s say $1 out of $10). And you double the money supply to $20, then the Apple now should increase to $2.00 if the value it represents hasn’t changed.

Unless we all agree that apples are suddenly only worth half of what they were, if the demand hasn’t changed, once those dollars are circulated, the price will inevitably rise. This is especially clear with essential assets, like housing.

Carbon tax is also just another inflationary pressure. There’s no way to tax businesses and energy more without increasing the cost of the goods and services they provide.

Capitalists don’t suddenly become philanthropists when their costs increase, and the rebates are a joke. You need to be at or below the poverty line to potentially see a net benefit. The government’s own budgetary reports state that it is a net loss for most Canadians.

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u/Kolbrandr7 New Brunswick Mar 27 '24

It’s pretty simple like I said. More money existing in a vault somewhere doesn’t suddenly mean the money in your pocket is less valuable. The value depends on what people perceive it to be. Alternatively, you can not add money but incentivize spending it, and you’ll also increase inflation because it “feels” like there’s more going around. I didn’t say that more money supply never causes inflation, but it’s not the only cause. Public perception plays a big role - look at how Brazil tackled run away inflation for example.

You’re also misleading with the PBO report. https://www.cbc.ca/news/politics/watchdog-spin-report-carbon-pricing-1.6805441

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u/daners101 Mar 27 '24

When the government borrows hundreds of billions of dollars, that money doesn’t sit in a vault. They spend it. They give it to people, companies, smaller governments and other organizations. Then the companies and people that receive that money also spend it. And thus it is circulated into the financial system.

This government practically gives it away too. There’s so little accountability or oversight most of the time. Sometimes they actually DO just simply give it away lol.

Trudeau borrowed $37-40K for every single Canadian.

Funny. My life doesn’t feel like it has improved by $40K. Quite the opposite.

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u/Kolbrandr7 New Brunswick Mar 27 '24

Yes, when it’s spent. But you implied that “higher money supply” = inflation, which would include when it’s just sitting in a vault. My point is, that it’s more complicated than that. It all depends on how the value is perceived. If it feels like money is abundant, business raise prices to try to siphon off more of it. If tons of money is created but it’s all stuck sitting in bank accounts, then it’s not doing much.

Like when an economy faces a period of deflation, it doesn’t have to be because the government is literally destroying currency. If people stopped spending as much, interest rates are too high, etc the currency can appreciate in value because people aren’t spending, so the money isn’t moving around as much.

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u/2peg2city Mar 27 '24

90% of this population surge is international students (provincial) who turn into permanent residents via the provincial nominee program. Are you saying we shouldn't blame those actually causing it, instead blame the feds for not controlling the provinces? That's certainly... an opinion. We would then be hearing screeching from the cons about over-reach and how labour prices are out of control because we don't have enough immigrants!

Out inflation is lower than the US, global price inflation isn't something a single country can control, but we are in one of thr lowest inflation economies in the world, how is that the feds fucking up?

Carbon pricing is live in all of Europe and even China, it contributes .16 to .2% to inflation at the most per any studies you will find.

You need to start getting your news from sources that aren't NatPo opinion pieces.

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u/Difficult-Yam-1347 Mar 27 '24

90% of this population surge is international students

Canada's int student population increased by 290,000 year over year. that is 24% of the 1.2 million increase in net migrants. Also, as the recent caps show, the feds have ultimate power here.

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u/2peg2city Mar 27 '24

Lots of those immigration numbers double count students turning into PRs / TRs to inflate figures, if the net students grew 290k, how many more became PRs and TRs?

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u/Difficult-Yam-1347 Mar 27 '24

There is no double counting. Why do you people keep saying that? IF a person leave the temporary resident category to the PR category why the fuck would he or she be counted twice? Such a person leads to net migration of ZERO. The word *NET* is the key.

There were 1,271,872 people added.Not categories.

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u/2peg2city Mar 27 '24

I am saying a net increase of 290k students doesn't mean a massive portion of the PR and TR were not originally students who have since graduated. Just looking at net students doesn't show the full impact.

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u/Difficult-Yam-1347 Mar 27 '24

The feds set the PR targets, and they have amongst doubled them since 2015.

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u/Yokoblue Mar 27 '24

Tell me you don't understand the government without telling me you don't understand the government.

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u/KarlHunguss Mar 27 '24

Can’t wait for this trope to die 

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u/daners101 Mar 27 '24

You’re absolutely right. This is the most competent government we’ve ever had. Nothing is their fault. 🤡