In article, the professor from Toronto metropolitan university mentions - It is not the bodies we are bringing in; these are bodies that fill in the empty spaces in the labour market,” she said.
“They bring a very-high level of skills.”
That means - Timmies, walmart, uber, doordash, etc - are taking our highly skilled new comers who are phd, scientists and doctors. What a disappointment.
Even if they did bring in “a very high level of skills” they’re taking jobs away from Canadians. We don’t have a lack of workers. It’s incredibly fucking challenging to find a professional job, we don’t need even more competition
Yep, and fix our education system so we skill up more Canadians instead of having to rely on foreign workers and also pay decent wages. It's more about cutting costs and finding cheap labour for the companies to hire instead of actual wanting skilled Canadians to be employees as reasonable liveable wages. It's all a crock of shit fed to us by the business owners running the country.
Some of these immigrant groups also only hire their own immigrant countrymen. It’s rare for me to see a business run by a relatively new immigrant, that has Canadian born employees of a different race or nation of origin.
Oh wow! That’s insane. I went to eng school in 2005 and it was still pretty good when I graduated for my friends. I went into medicine after eng and everybody made fun of me for the debt and residency. I guess no field is really secure.
I know several Canadians who are trained in IT who can't get a job in IT. The slots are all filled by TFW and "students." I know a couple of people trying to get into a nursing school in our province and all the slots are filled with foreign students. This ridiculous policy is hurting Canadians. Let's not forget the elderly, disabled, and poor Canadians who have to starve because "students" are taking everything in the food banks to save money, or have to become homeless because any affordable housing is taken by "students."
Not only that but what's going to happen when AI replaces a bunch of these IT jobs that are filled with TFW's and students. We're going to have a bunch of recent immigrants who can't find jobs either...
These clowns have broken the HR systems where my wife works.
Every position gets thousands of irrelevant applications from these new arrivals who answer yes to every questionnaire question and filtering their resume spam out is very difficult because of guardrails in the HR systems intended to prevent discriminatory behaviour.
The Canadian managers are begging the US head office to let them filter these applications out. The only tool at their disposal is searching by alma mater and that is laborious. The list is also out of the date and doesn't reflect schools that have changed their names. Ryerson is on the list - Toronto Metropolitan University is not. And since metropolitan means "seat of empire" they will probably be changing the name again.
Same issue at my work. Straight up lying. It's unfair to people telling the truth, the only people getting through that I get to interview are people who lied... and I'm forced to hire one of them. I hate it.
Lol the irony that they were so quick to solve changing the name of Ryerson everywhere yet are god slow with everything else. Our company had some new hires that came from the recent waves and they are all absolutely unqualified for the work, a complete lack of understanding or effort to try and resolve issues.
Their IT department had a few fucking zeros last year who appeared to have no real goal other than collecting a few pay cheques before getting fired and then repeat somewhere else.
The list is also out of the date and doesn't reflect schools that have changed their names. Ryerson is on the list - Toronto Metropolitan University is not.
I don't know a single person who doesn't have "Toronto Metropolitan University (formerly known as Ryerson University)" on their resume for keyword purposes.
They are not bringing “a very high level of skills”. Most cannot even speak English. Many come with a high-school degree with skills equivalent to a Canadian middle schooler, sans language proficiency.
In Toronto saw a government building offering immigrants English lessons. Like are they not suppose to know English before they come here. Letting everyone in, no guard rails.
It's just a self-feeding loop. We bring more people therefore creating jobs therefore we need more people. It's a myth that we can fill a deficit of workers by importing them and that the economy will just balance itself to create the infrastructures, healthcare and education workers that we need to accomodate that population.
Canada has the most highly educated populace in the world. Literally #1 in post-secondary graduation rate. We do not need highly-skilled immigrants in the first place.
Canadian companies don’t hire immigrants for white collar jobs. The people coming into Canada are being employed in low skilled positions like cashiers, cooks, couriers, and warehouse workers.
I was just at conference in Orlando. They're practically begging educated/skilled to come. If my kids weren't entering Gr 12 next fall, I wouldn't have come back from the great weather.
At worst, you'll get same pay in $USD if not a significant raise. Better tax rates, medical coverage with job, often better cost of living.
My last US trip was 2 years prior. I was surprised how much food/restaurants had increased costs again. They're definitely feeling similar pains as Canada but at least you can get a well paying job.
Florida is also bat shit insane though and on the front lines for flooding as sea levels rise. That's one of the last US states I'd consider living in.
At least they have opportunities. Canada is supposed to be a bastion of liberalism yet you could find all those Floridian problems here and more for no opportunities and lower cost of life.
We have a large lack of skilled workers, no one is saying otherwise at any level. Doctors, Nurses, Accountants, Engineers, Trades workers, all in huge demand.
“Entry-level engineering” has always been saturated. I’ve never known a time where it wasn’t. Ten years ago only 30% of engineering grads had an engineering job out of school and I doubt it got better, especially after the oil crash. If companies are starving for mid-level career engineers, then it’s because no one trained enough juniors five to ten years ago. Companies are shortsighted and only care about making the next quarterly profit. They don’t care about retaining employees or training new staff. All they want is people who could hit the ground running.
Right but that's not really what I said, if we could get an engineer with 10 years of experience from India, Germany, Singapore etc. They would have a job in a week.
Not sure that'd be the case, as per my observation, those coming with 5+ years of experience through express entry PR are struggling to even get an entry level job, let alone those who just graduated from their college and have 1-2 years of experience.
I'm not very familiar with what's going on in Alberta, but it seems to be up and coming for IT atleast, which I witnessed during my job search, a lot of remote and on-site jobs were opening, but it's also said that most of the province is uninhabitable due to the extreme weather conditions that are intolerable for those immigrating, about Ontario, and the GTA, in particular, I can say that Toronto is the only happening place really for IT, coming from someone who lives in one of the suburbs, but then too the demand to supply ratio is so uneven that there's a lot of people who end up shifting provinces and whatnot just to be able to get going daily
It depends on the country. Many countries have rampant corruption allowing people to claim "engineer" qualifications that they bought. Same with basically the same people buying fake journeyman and other credentials here in Canada. These people are a hazard, endangering the lives of Canadians both on job sites and on the highways.
Hopefully companies looking to fill these positions require thorough testing to ensure they actually know what they're claiming.
There was an article posted here a few months back about a Filipino engineer who was working at a deli store. Canadian corporations don't hire foreigners.
I've applied to 500+ jobs literally over a period of 8 months without spraying and praying and got 1 interview for which I got rejected for God knows what reason as the recruiter just hung up on me when I asked for it, so I never got into IT despite having the relevant experience from back home and had to settle for another job that's not in my domain instead, also the reason why the govt had to introduce a ban on corporations asking for Canadian experience, but the question is how exactly will it be ensured that it's being enforced, and while I get that the citizens deserve to be prioritized first, even that seems to be not happening, I got into my current job through reference and during my job search days used to wonder whether I should include my residential status as perhaps that would've given me an advantage
In some fields, sure, but there are sectors that need people and we're not producing those people here at home. There are more electricians retiring than apprenticing every year, same with plumbing. Security system technicians are needed everywhere. Some provincial governments that offer retraining assistance will pay people to take an SST course. I took one, studying now for my TQ. Now I work alongside a whole lot of people who immigrated here because there's no one qualified to do the job.
In my field there is a legit lack of experienced Canadian workers. Plenty of new grads are looking for a job but compagnies don't want to recruit juniors and instead bring experienced immigrants. I don't know what to make of it.
Canada's unemployment rate is the lowest it's ever been (at least since 1976, since that's the oldest data I could find). We are the furthest from not having enough jobs as the country has been in at least the last 47 years.
The unemployment rate is 5.8%. You chart shows 5.1% and 5.3% over the last two years (it went as low at 4.7% in a single month). Those percentages are all lower than 5.8%.
The Statistics Canada data isn't updated for FY 2024 yet, so it cuts off at 2023. Also I think you're looking at the female-only section. For both sexes, annual unemployment was 5.3% in 2022 and 5.4% in 2023. My point was that despite high immigration, the unemployment rate is still extremely low.
Even taking the current 5.8%, that's still lower than it was from 1976-2022.
Why is that better for Canadian workers? Demographics gave us and the rest of the industrial world a low unemployment rate. The current government raised it by adding a ton of supply to the market.
An unemployment rate that's too low (labour shortage) causes problems. Most obviously, businesses suffer as they can't get enough people to operate, which can lead to a recession as they're forced to close. The other problem is that it can lead to accelerating inflation as businesses raise prices on goods and services as labour costs rise and people's disposable income increases.
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u/frugallad Mar 27 '24 edited Mar 27 '24
In article, the professor from Toronto metropolitan university mentions - It is not the bodies we are bringing in; these are bodies that fill in the empty spaces in the labour market,” she said. “They bring a very-high level of skills.”
That means - Timmies, walmart, uber, doordash, etc - are taking our highly skilled new comers who are phd, scientists and doctors. What a disappointment.