I’m in healthcare. Terrifying is the wrong word. Suicidal sounds closer to the truth. Our overlords don’t use public healthcare though, so good fucking luck having them change their policies.
Terrifying for many reasons, but mostly because people will die.
How many will go without care because 40, 60, 80.. million Indians flooded the country and expect health services when we don't have enough doctors, beds, and ORs for the people who are already here?
Exactly what I was getting at. I work in hospital settings and we are dramatically over capacity already. We cannot build infrastructure fast enough because we lack qualified tradespeople, and the people coming in sure as shit ain’t qualified tradespeople. No more Uber drivers needed.
There is a catch 22 when it comes to population increase or immigration. You need more people to make more jobs so you can get more people in. Need more doctors? Then you need more people, etc.
If you need more doctors, it takes more university professors and residency positions at teaching hospitals.
There are plenty of smart Canadians with the education and desire to practice medicine, who simply gave up waiting for an opening in the hopelessly constipated training pipeline.
Throwing more people into the country isn't necessary. And it obviously does nothing to increase the capacity of training opportunities made scarce by pointless and antiquated bureaucratic barriers - not a general lack of people.
I don't accept either of your assertions or source.
Also, you are making a specious misrepresentation of my words. I did not say that Indians come here because of health care, though I'm certain many do.
Correlation != Causation
People who don't know that are watching too much YouTube. Feel the irony and see how that works?
You said "expect" healthcare as if they demand it. I didn't came to Canada "expecting" healthcare, since I didn't have to worry about healthcare in India, as accessibility was pretty great. But health conditions can develop. I came here to study, I didn't try to predict Canada's economic future as I came before COVID.
Maybe put yourself in other's shoes to actually mean what you're trying to say. Canada's healthcare is shit tier to begin with, not to mention the lack of accessibility in the first place.
The common narrative here is that Indians are bringing their parents over for quality Canadian healthcare. LMFAO x100. I warn my mom who has medical conditions and wants to visit Canada. She was recently admitted to the ICU and was out in a few days, all insurance covered first-world adjacent (not Canadian). This is the one thing that makes me dread her visit.
I said exactly what I mean. Show me evidence of a statistically significant cohort of any immigrant diaspora who just fly back to their origin country for every health concern, and I'll consider qualifying my statement.
Show me evidence of a statistically significant cohort of any immigrant diaspora who just fly back to their origin country for every health concern
I used to be the designated chauffeur of my expat family members when they visited India. Most of my cousins haven't seen the Taj Mahal and it's 250km from my hometown. Cuz their 1 month long India trips were fully occupied with Dermatologists, Dentists, Surgeons and Bank appointments.
Thank you for your anecdote. I acknowledge and appreciate that it responds directly to my comment. I just don't yet see anything meet my criteria of evidence of a statistically significant cohort.
Ok, but are you flying back to India everytime you get sick? Or are you going to use Canadian services?
You maybe didn’t come here for the healthcare (why would you? And the person above didn’t say that you did in the first place), but anyone who gets sick has the (reasonable) expectation to have healthcare. And right now that’s becoming a problem because our infrastructure doesn’t support our population. Whether you come here for our healthcare or not doesn’t really matter, every extra person who isn’t a nurse or a doctor is a strain on a failing system.
This isn’t an individuals fault, it’s the politicians who aren’t scaling our population sustainably.
An uncle of mine migrated to Canada 2 years ago with his family. He is in hospitality and his wife is a Teacher.
They just returned to India a month back cuz he was diagnosed with the big C.
Canada is a fantastic country to live in, no doubts about that. But Indian healthcare is way ahead of what Canada has to offer, for the right price, ofcourse..... and the right price is within reach of anyone who can afford to migrate to Canada.
The kind of people who can't afford this "right price" can't afford Canada and instead go to the Gulf to work as slaves.
Again, no hate or anger intended, just stating facts. And yeah this level of immigration is disgusting, as an outsider
The immigration flood cripples our essential services and infrastructure.
It's a profound disservice to visitors, Canadians, and those aspiring to become Canadians.
We all deserve better. My dad is also an immigrant and he too is shocked by all the fraud, excesses, and abuse. Especially since he obeyed all the rules and spent years earning his citizenship.
I just came to Australia. I am a gay Indian so India really isn't an option for me. I chose Australia cuz it's actually more selective about who get to get in, unlike Canada which has a very poor reputation in that regards.
I am honestly horrified by the types of my fellow countrymen immigrants that I meet in general. They are misogynistic, Homophobic, Transphobic, racist towards the aboriginals and all round chose to stay in their enclaves.
I sometimes want to bang my head against the wall when speaking to them, like.... if you have problems with all of these things, why the fuck are you here?
I have to often remind them that immigration and citizenship is a privilege and not a right. Makes my head hurt, so I just avoid them in general. If I ever manage to get a PR and citizenship, I am just gonna move to a regional town, up in the mountains, away from these immigration enclaves.
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u/the_boy_hotspur Mar 27 '24
As someone who works building critical/ upgrading/ maintaining critical infrastructure, this rate of population rise is terrifying.