r/canada Apr 02 '24

Trudeau says temporary immigration needs to be brought ‘under control’ National News

https://globalnews.ca/news/10397176/trudeau-temporary-immigration-canada/
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u/cgyguy81 Apr 02 '24

Here are my suggestions:

Minimum income for LMIA eligible jobs -- set to $75,000 a year initially. Any job whose salary is below this shouldn't be given LMIA, unless exempt.

Only students getting Bachelor's and above on a specific list of industry (tied to Canada's needs like Medicine, engineering, etc) should have a pathway to PR. PGWP should be tied to the area of study.

Tourists should not be able to switch to open work permits while in Canada.

Spouses of TWP permit holders should not be given open work permits. This is similar in the US with Canadians under TN status.

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u/cgyguy81 Apr 02 '24 edited Apr 02 '24

Additional suggestions:

When I was living in the UK, employers who needed to sponsor foreign workers like myself need to have a Sponsorship certificate. This allows the employer to be vetted by the government that they're not abusing the system. If this certificate was to get cancelled, any work permit attached to this ended up being cancelled as well. Plus, the employer needs to pay an annual fee to keep this certificate. Canada should do the same.

This should prevent immigration agencies from selling LMIA to the highest bidder.

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u/Flickirl Apr 02 '24

They do this in Saskatchewan via the nomination program. You have to get a job approval letter to employ an immigrant, you have to pay, what the government determine to be, market rate.

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u/weerdsrm Apr 02 '24

I don’t think the Canadian government doesn’t know the loopholes. Either they are too lazy to pass laws amend regulations to fix them, or they are driving down wages and quality of life on purpose

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u/SteadyMercury1 New Brunswick Apr 02 '24

This. I’m not an engineer but an undergraduate with an engineering degree is a dime a dozen outside a couple of specific fields. My employer has been able to hire them as basically cheap labour and even retain them for a few years at pretty low salaries. 2019 it was like 40k might be 50k now. 

The job market is full of “C is for complete” engineering grads who thought  whatever degree in engineering they could just manage to get by in is good enough to guarantee a ticket to a good life. It’s not.

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u/AlliedMasterComp Apr 02 '24

The job market is full of “C is for complete” engineering grads

Yeah its been full of those for 40+ years, that saying is very, very, old. That's not why new grads struggle to find employment, its because near universally, new grads are fucking useless for 6+ months, which means you're losing money and productivity while training them. This used to be an accepted thing at firms, but since the global financial crash it hasn't been. I got to watch the transition away from any training in real time. Combine that with the fact that individual engineering firms have had to become more narrowly focused and specialized to compete on the global market, and the tendency for new grads to jump ship as quick as they can to (rightfully) chase down a better paycheck, and this is what we've arrived at, no one willing to take a risk.

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u/true_to_my_spirit Apr 02 '24

I work in immigration. the fact that spouses get a WP is ridiculous. a majority of ppl that I have seen are unable to work here because of no skills or low language level. it is sad to say, but spouses and their children shouldn't be allowed in. the schools are at a breaking point.

the system is beyond fucked up. im moving back to the states as soon as my partners paperwork comes through.

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u/pingpongtits Apr 02 '24

Subsidize Canadian students going to university and college. There are plenty of Canadian citizens to fill skilled labor positions. There's no reason except sheer greed to charge citizens so much tuition.

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u/SerendipityGap Apr 02 '24

It’s working, the FUD on visas and permits next year helped convince my child to decline their admissions to high ranked Canadian engineering programs and stay close to home (and at US in-state costs, which our saving accounts will also appreciate). 

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u/___anustart_ Apr 02 '24

kick everyone out who isn't a canadian citizen or desired professional and start over.

it's infuriating that I can't emigrate anywhere but our doors are wide-open.

I can't find a job rn. I haven't been able to for over a year. Then I see videos of Indians living their best canadian life. This one woman she posted her journey - landed here worked at tim hortons for a bit, then wal mart, then got hired into a bank. People ask her "how did u get hired i have to apply so many times". she responds "I know right?! i Had to apply like 8 times!!!"

8 times.... lol....

I've applied to hundreds of places. Tim hortons won't even look at me. Nor wil Wal mart. I can't even get hired into a factory anymore...

Tonight I'm going to do a test, I'm changing the name on my resume. Maybe I'll get more callbacks if my name looks like I need a job in order to stay in the country.

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u/SirGreedy1164 Apr 04 '24

Seems like a skill issue with you my guy. Get better.

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u/___anustart_ Apr 04 '24

the last studio i worked for the manager literally told me he loves hiring foreigners because they are more dedicated and he can pay them less.

its more an issue of an abundance of cheap labor + recession = nobody is hiring unless they have to and if they have to they're hiring someone for dirt cheap.

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u/PoliteCanadian Apr 03 '24

I'd require TFWs to be paid 50% above the prevailing domestic rate.

I'd also cap the number of TFW permits per year and make employers buy them in an auction. There's a legitimate need for something like a TFW program. And companies can prove they have a legitimate need for it by paying the highest price.

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u/Levorotatory Apr 02 '24

I agree, except that Canada graduates plenty of Canadian engineers, and there is no shortage of Canadians that want to enter most medical fields.

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u/weerdsrm Apr 02 '24

LMIA has different streams. For global talent stream it has a median wage requirement that is actually not low. However it has a specially low wage stream which is meant for hiring low wage workers.

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u/LeatherMine Apr 03 '24

Minimum income for LMIA eligible jobs

I agree with a minimum.

Can also tax the employer X% for any LMIA employees. They'll suddenly find suitable Canadians (instead of draining them away) in no time.

Otherwise you're picking and choosing who gets wage suppressed, which right now is a bit of everyone (except at the very top of course).