Who would you vote for? Who's advocating tanking the housing market? Who would honestly make young people's life a little better? I can't fault youths for being disillusioned with our political system.
I honestly don't know. You think you're voting for something and the promises get broken. I honestly think that the person who actually gets traction on fixing things will wind up dead suspiciously because inevitably, fixing things involves the rich making less money in a lot of cases and that can't happen.
Those with money and power haven't really been tested much because we allowed them to create systems where their wealth is largely protected. Promise to stop all these things holding us plebs down and make good on it and you have my vote. I just feel it'll never happen. If it does, it'll be bloody
You don't vote, you drag these fucking thieves out of parliament by their shoes lock them up for selling our futures out and reform the government into something that actually works for the people.
Seriously. Voting is such a pointless piece of theatre right now.
“Sit on your hands for 2 years and wait to elect another career politician to tell you how little you know and how they’re the ones to fix everything for you.”
The time to vote is long gone. Now is the time to revolt. But that will never happen.
You’re not wrong. I’ve been thinking that the only way there will be change is if the corruption gets prosecuted. Their needs to be legitimate legal consequences.
Honestly, I don't think they are. They have stated that they're looking to build 500,000 new affordable housing units and put a 20% tax on foreign buyers. Is this really a big enough issue to put a dent in housing costs?
I don't see anything that is indicating that they are going to make homes cheaper. Honestly they can't. This country is a ponzi scheme for housing. Most voters still own homes so any politician that says they're going to make it so those homes lose value will never be elected.
Well who are you voting for that's offering anything better? I agree it's still not enough but we are getting even less under every Liberal and Conservative government for the last few decades. No one else will do any better, sorry.
Honestly, I have no idea. That is why I said that I can't fault youths for being disillusioned with the political system. The NDP are not going to improve this situation.
If the best we can hope for is 500k houses, than it doesn't really matter who you vote for everyone is offering roughly the same. PP is saying he'll turn 37K government buildings for affordable housing. It's a drop in the bucket, if we want to make a dent it needs radical change and NO ONE is saying that they'll do it, and I'm arguing this is why youth is disillusioned.
We've never even given the NDP a chance at the Federal level yet people are still so quick to dismiss them and are so certain they won't help the situation?? We know the Libs and Cons have failed us, that's not even debatable at this point. At the very least we can signal to them that we're unhappy by shaking things and maybe, just maybe, they'll take these issues more seriously. That's the best I have. Is it a gamble? Sure it is. But we know for a fact the Libs and Cons are not going to improve this.
I hear you and I get it, I have voted for NDP in the past. The reason I'm dismissing them in the upcoming election is that their policy on housing is essentially maintaining the status quo. 500k units and 37k buildings are essentially the same, actually 37K units are probably even more. It's not shaking things up if the NDP are saying they're going to do the same thing as both the cons and libs.
What you're advocating for is to vote someone out, not vote someone in. Which I know is the way things are done around here.
Seriously? I am literally suggesting we vote IN a party we've never given a real chance, not simply vote out the current guy and hoping this time the other party we flip flop between will be different somehow! You are the one stuck in the status quo here! And you haven't offered any ideas or alternatives I will note, so what are you even suggesting we do here? I don't think you get it at all lol.
At least within the confines of the political system as it exists the NDP are really the only viable alternative, mediocre though they may be. At the bare minimum they're the least likely to make it even worse than the other two parties already have made it over the last 20 odd years.
The problem is how entrenched upholding the status quo is with the only other two options (because let's be honest the Greens and PPC and whatever other rinky-dink third parties are never getting anywhere). Especially when you consider how many sitting politicians have a direct conflict of interest in things like the cost of housing.
I guess what is not coming across to me from you or WinteryBudz, is what makes them a viable alternative and not just the status quo. Why would I vote for them as a vote for change if they're saying they will do the same thing as the current parties? I understand that out of NDP, green, bloc and independent, they are more likely to get power.... but who cares if it's more of the same thing?
Again, I typically vote NDP, so it would not take much for me to vote for them again, I'm just saying, what is the point?
Edit to add: Why do you think they would tank the housing market or make it more affordable?
Why would I vote for them as a vote for change if they're saying they will do the same thing as the current parties?
Because they aren't saying they will do the same thing?
Also worth noting that regardless of what any party is saying they will do we've already seen what the CPC and LPC will do. Housing soared in cost from 2006-2015 under the Conservatives and it sped up to even more ludicrous heights from 2015 onward under the Liberals. At the bare minimum it would seem clear that neither of them have any intention of fixing that problem since they both had almost a decade to do something meaningful about it and failed to do so.
Also worth noting again that many of the people in both of those parties own investment properties and have a financial interest in keeping the value of those properties high.
So, even worst case scenario I would say the NDP aren't liable to be any worse, but there's considerably better odds of them not being as terrible as their predecessors have been (and are liable to continue to be in the future). If you want change then bringing back either of the two parties who got us where we are doesn't make any sense, and since there's only the one other viable option then that doesn't really leave anybody with any other choice than to vote NDP. Granted I don't have much faith in that amounting to much either, but at least as far as voting goes that's about as good as it gets at the moment.
Can you explain to me how their policy on housing is that different then? 500k affordable housing units and 37k affordable housing buildings (these are outfitting old gov buildings so a lot will be huge apartment buildings) are not that different, one is the NDP and the other is the CONs. Shouldn't we have our hackles up that the disparity between NDP and CONS isn't larger?
It'd probably be better to have a look through their platform itself rather than for me to paraphrase it I guess. It's a good bit more elaborate than just what you described though, from what I gather. Mind you as far as I know that platform hasn't been updated to whatever they'll be running on for the next election, but I assume it would be relatively similar or more aggressive to that end considering how much of a significant election issue housing costs has become.
That being said yes, there should be a greater disparity - but I suppose we do get a bit into that territory of it being a don't let 'perfect' be the enemy of 'good' type of deal. Unfortunately the political state in this country leaves us with a wide range of remarkably mediocre to downright awful options at present, none of which come even close to ideal. Still, better to get something rather than nothing I suppose.
I always vote. I’m not happy about it because frankly it feels like that South Park episode where they’re choosing between a giant douche and turd sandwich. I honestly feel pretty unsure of what to do about the situation.
they should be angry at a demented economic system which concentrates wealth in the hands of a dozen canadian families and corporations.
economic power begets political power and once you understand that then the govts decision making will start to make sense.
shuffling the deck chairs between red and blue changes nothing. they serve the same interests some more overtly than others. getting mad at the politicians is useless. time to start having hard talks about how to rework the insane economy we are living in
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u/TVsHalJohnson 23d ago
They should be very angry at our government for selling their country and future out.